I'm completely new to the hobby as far as upscale gfe providers go. How do I gain references so I can book appointments with nicer providers that offer gfe? I'm tired of all the backpage BS and I'm ready to step up to something better.

This comes up regularly. You can read many other posts on this topic on the board for advice. There is also a TER general board for newbies.

The short answer is that you need to make the ladies feel safe, including both from violence and LE.  

How you do so depends on the lady. Some of the best-rated ladies will not see you without references from other providers, period. Others will see you with a lot of disclosure of personal information; P411 and DateCheck can help you do this with a bit of a firewall between you and her. Most ladies are reasonably clear on their screening policies on their websites. You can also ask them if there is anything else you could do to make them feel safe if you can't satisfy all of the criteria. They are not asking for references to see if you are good in bed, although some care about personality, particularly if you are asking for a longer date.

Also, agencies and independents don't always play well together in exchanging references. In particular, some agencies view independents as a threat (ladies often leave agencies to become independents). However, there are exceptions, and a good agency might help you get your foot in the door. Even there, it may not be straightforward; for example, Korean agencies around here form a pretty tight circle, and you might have difficulty getting a date without a reference from another Korean provider or agency. You may not get to see some ladies until you have a reference from a provider that she trusts. So, depending upon the lady that you would like to see, it could be a multi-step process.

Already in place for newbies. Just send an email, check websites. Even if you have verification site as a reference, I still complete my own verification. Good luck and email me if interested in "stepping up". Lol

....you can try using the lady you reviewed which is always a good start (trust me it's just as important you make yourself memorable to her too), there's  always signing up for p411 and/or date-check, different ways to do work verification and I personally have a bunch of other alternative methods as well.

I was wondering that myself of who shares information with whom, and especially if the K-agencies share with other agencies.  Taking the subject of the business out of it, its the same for others in the area like the vendors.  The K group sticks really close together and works to oust everybody else - like a cuckoo bird.

Interesting read.

Theres plenty of ways to get verified as some have already listed and then theres good ol employment verification. As far as exchanging references agencies and indies have no issues in this area exchanging references for other gents. We provide references all the time to indies and vice versa with the exception of a few of course. Theres not one agency including the korean agencies that have denied us a reference.  

You have to play it safe as do we. Try reaching out to a few independents to your liking and see what they will accept, the worst they can do is say no. Be polite, introduce yourself, give a littlw description of yourself and be ready to provide some info.  

Happy hobbying

First, have a good chunk of change available for the next couple of months, as in $1500 to $2000 dollars.  I would recommend P411 friendly providers who are ok with newbies.  There are a few of them, and if you can get connected with one - and then see her a couple times, then she'll be more likely to 'ok' you to another provider.

K agencies are a lot tougher, and the fact they change 'owners' fairly frequently, you have to be a regular and visit regularly to stay in rotation.  Pro tip is to remember the location of where you saw a girl, and if you let a few months or years lapse, throw out the location name and that will help you get through screening.

I, personally, never give out name and employment because of a past incident.  Yes, I end up passing on some incredible providers - but its not worth the risk.  If you do decide to give up that information, find a young lady who will meet you in person to look at your ID and do the search, so there is no electronic record of you sending correspondence to her.

Its a bit of work to get started, but once you're in and build a reputation, it will obviously be a lot easier.

The easiest way is to give up your real name and employment, but I wouldn't recommend it...but thats just me.  Others seem to be more willing to give up the information.

GD11

I'm okay with newer guys if they'll give me employment verification or P411, and we seem to have a good rapport over email. For me, provider references are basically to make sure the guy isn't a flake or untrustworthy, and often I can tell those things through emails. I'd also require a coffee or drink meet before our date as I do for everyone, but for a new guy I'd make it a bit longer - more chatting, more making sure I'm comfortable with the guy before going BCD. Now, I'll do this on the day of our date, and I haven't walked away from anyone (yet).

I think the main thing is being incredibly polite and respectful in emails - impress her with your ability to be put-together in writing. For me, a guy who comments on why he thinks we'd be a good fit, and suggests days/times that are available on my calendar would go to the front of the line.

No problem and I can only speak for myself but this agency does not view independents as a threat, even the ladies I have worked with who go on to be independent, there's a few ladies I've worked with who I have actually encouraged to go independent. IMHO a lady can only work for an agency for so long before its time for her to go off on her own and do her own thing or to work with a different agency.  

Variety is the spice of life and we all need to stay safe so withholding references or being petty doesn't help us much.

Majority of independents changes names and numbers often times for obvious reason. I have one which I consider an ATF that I provided as reference and a K-Agency plus my TER handle but still I am asked to provide a verifiable provider. So, it's a lil bit frustrating to pursue without compromising much of your identity as I am experiencing currently with this one agency.

The problem with giving you our/mine Employment Information/Verification is the risk of career loss - you ask too much. Anyone who gives you that information - you place at high risk; I am dumbfounded you don't understand that - especially in Washington, DC.
You would do so much better if you satisfied yourself about an applicant - in other ways.

this is why we accept many different forms of verification. Of course there is a risk period in this industry, if someone requests you to send employment verification, then you don't send it and move on to someone else who will accept what information you provide. This is a risky business period for all parties involved.  

The key word being ask, its not demanded of you or expected but if your references are not reputable or you're new then obviously employment information is the only other option at least for us.  

We don't just accept employment verification and its not a requirement, we have quickly screened gentlemen with references, p411, date check, ter white lists of reputable agencies and independents  

Happy Hobbying

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I am in a profession where it is common for people I don't know to call and ask for me by name.  I also have my name and face on the internet marketing my services.  I'm not in politics, so a bust or a blackmail scheme would not ruin my career, though it certainly would be embarrassing and painful.  And wife is more of a roommate now than a lover, so it wouldn't kill me if she found out.  So, for well reviewed and established providers (low risk as potential blackmailers) I have given employment info.  

I did have a screening boo-boo which wrecked my chances with a highly regarded but very low profile local provider (I think she's since retired).  I made it through her screening requirements with referrals from other providers, so she only had my hobby name, not my real name.  I emailed her my cell phone number after the date was set.  She called the day before and I answered with my real name, since I didn't recognize her number (or it was blocked).  I hadn't prepared her for the different name so she was completely spooked and stopped answering my calls.  Probably thought I was LE.  I kicked myself for weeks after that.  

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Jennifer-

Thanks for the input, much appreciated. I sent you a pm, thanks agai

Everyone, both ladies and gentlemen, have different comfort levels. Both sides depend on discretion, but both sides need to be comfortable with each other. So, if a lady asks for info you don't want to give, you don't give it. If that's not enough for her, you move on to someone else. For example, I require a brief meeting in public first. Some guys won't do that. So, we both move on to other people who meet our needs. It's not a personal thing - it's just business.