She meant the post as a compliment to Jeop.. Sometime we say one thing and it means something else. I will take her post at face value and let it go.. No need to get in a he say/she say conversation and have hard feeling on the wording of her post. Just my .02
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I had the most disappointing session of my 7 years (and 4 cities) in the hobby with Victoria today. CBJ, one cup and she tried to upsell. I'm quite familiar with the YMMV concept but it was like Jeopcon was driving a Prius getting 60 miles per gallon and I was driving a Hummer getting 8 miles per gallon.
RW
As I mentioned in my review, when it came time for what I thought would be a great bbbj she kind of asked if she could grab a condom. Based on the reviews I knew that was not the typical case, so I told her I preferred without. She went ahead, but it did impact the mood.
Victoria also seemed to be in a hurry for me to finish, with a lot of "come on baby" (which is not my name) comments. Which also did not do alot for the mood.
Jeop is right. Karina and David are great, and they hire some great young ladies. Victoria was nice and I had an alright time, but it was the first time with this agency I walked away a little disappointed.
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For my own sake I hate it, but for your *support* I must issue a "me too", RW. Minus the upsell part, I basically had an experience very similar to yours and jc's. The gal is gorgeous, but it didn't go much further than that. She told me she has only been in the business for three weeks and I guess it shows. For me, no DFK, BBBJ or DATY (said she didn't like to be licked). Big thing was the attitude. Not that she was nasty or unprofessional, but it was clear to me that she didn't want to be there doing that. Strictly a job was the impression I got. I will issue a 9-6 in my review. If she had more experience, the six might have even been lower.
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I'm coming in late on this conversation, but I had a very disappointing session with an ULTR-GFE girl as well. Check out my upcoming review on Zia (not posted yet). I'm not trying to slam ULTRA-GFE or even the girl herself, but it is at least noteworthy that others are having similiar experiences.
At least you got an appointment. When I called the last time she was in town, I got voice-mail, and then when I was called back, I was told she wasn't in, but I would be called back when the appointment was confirmed. Then I was asked my nationality and after telling, waited for the return call which never came. Finally figured it wasn't coming, so I have crossed them off my list.
My .02 worth.
jeopcon gets better service because these
agencies, and this agency in particular, know
who he is.
They know he sees the girls early and posts mini
reviews. They also know he has the most reviews
on TER and is therefore respected by the
community. They would be crazy not to give the
girl a heads up as to his status before the
appointment. A bad mini review from him can
cause a serious case of no bookings.
Logical theory MI or perhaps we should give Mr. Jeopcon the benefit of the doubt and recognize that practice does improve skills and chemistry does count. Either way, these are classic examples that the term YMMV (which I like to think of as Your Money My View vice the usual acronym), does apply to this hobby!
To the D.C board.. You tend to create trouble on whatever board you post on..I haven't forgotten that Boston post a couple of weeks back on outing a guy.
1. Check the ISO board. That guy has now posted
with his real handle. If you can't find the most
recent post do a search for the term bareback.
Someone from my neighborhood has linked to his
new post from the NY, Boston and Philly boards to
warn the community.
2. I have and will continue to post as I see fit.
Boards have moderators. After that, its a free
for all. HA HA.
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I hope our mod keeps a close eye on you.. You are trouble. So put that in your pipe and smoke it..
Most of the girls you want to "see" are the drop gorgeous ones right? The ones you cannot even get a glance towards you in an everyday experience, reason you pay for it. Money is power and gives you the access to the best candy around.
Now, most of these girls are also new and not very experient. They come to the business because of the money, the dinero, the pesos. They are not interested in you at all, probably most of the time disgusted that they have to endure a full day of old, fat, hairy, ugly dicks, who wants to stick their tongues down their throats and expect that they act like a true girlfriend who is enjoying him like he's the Prince of Persia.
Hello??? a reality check please??? These girls are HUMANS and cannot offer the SAME shit Jeopcon gets to everyone.
I've met Jeopcon and he's a guy who aged very well. He's handsome, cultured, very well groomed and easy to handle. He's a piece of cake. He can road test any new girl offered by any agency and these girls will be happy to be with him.
You guys need to understand that when a girl look into being an escort, she looks at these websites, all glamourous and shit and say..."oh I can do that, I look better than her".
She thinks she will be meeting guys like Jeopcon every day, when in reality she will ended up with ogres and trolls.
So, do NOT expect the same service he gets, unless the girl has some experience and learned to pass over guys looks or other things that do not make them desirable at all.
My 500 pesos 
Always right. Give it a break whoever you are. We don't like to be told we are wrong all the time by an alias.. Go away..
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-- Modified on 8/7/2005 12:15:10 PM
Ok Mr.Info,if I am wrong,I am wrong.. Just don't nit-pick ok..I will leave you alone.
It seems like you are saying most of the guys that visit ladies are "ogres and trolls". If that is the case I am surprised any one would stay in this business, no matter how much it payed.
I am one of the guys that did not hit it off as well with Victoria. I prefer to think that a lot of it has to do with chemistry. I was not real attracted to Victoria, which she probably sensed and it likely impacted her performance. Jeop and I have had similar great experiences with some ladies, have had a few where he hit it off better and there have been a few where I have had a better time. I think part of it is because we are attracted to slightly different types of ladies. To say jeop is going to have a better time than the rest of us with new girls because he is handsome and well mannered is a slap at the rest of this board.
I also do not agree that most "drop gorgeous ones" are ladies that are new to the business. I could list dozens of drop dead gorgeous providers who have long lists of reviews. These generalizations, oh I am sorry, these TRUTHS don't seem to have much basis.
By the way, I don't think I am ogre or troll like. Like many of the guys on this board I believe that to have a really great time it helps to build a connection, and trying to keep in shape and well groomed only helps. As far as being well cultured and mannered, us poor slobs can only do the best that we can.
I've met two regulars on this board and they were far from being the troll & ogre type. Both were well-groomed, attractive, intelligent, nice, physically fit and easy-going guys. Good teeth, no problem with the hygiene that I noticed etc. I think anyone who knows anything about me would know this is an objective opinion. I've also seen photos of three other posters on this board and they were pretty much normal to attractive looking men and come across civil or better on posts and PMs.
I speak pretty openly with a couple providers who have become friends and they have to told me there's a range of guys they see and that a fair number of them are normal to attractive in appearance and manner...particularly the married hobbyist, which is the prevalent type on this board. They are both very honest people who are frank with me about other things in this business, so I believe what they've told me to be true.
I don't blame you for being offended by BackDoorGirl's remarks. It's clear she obviously doesn't have alot of respect for hobbyists and doesn't mind telling the "truth" in an offensive way. It reminds me of the times guys decide to declare a statement of "truth" about providers say, lying about their age and photos, drug-abusers, STD-carriers, flaky etc. There's an element of truth in these kinds of statements because it does apply to some people, but these generalizations paint *everyone* with the same broad stroke that turns them into stereotypes. Hello, f'd up, flaky lying alcoholic ho, please meet fat, old, ugly, stinky john.
Lots of us on both sides of the fence don't fit the stereotypes. I could think I'm so very special and different, wow I must be cream of the crop...but realistically, I know that the stereotypes here are like any other kind of stereotypes: they are but one ugly picture that attempts to exclude everything else at the cost of truth.
She meant the post as a compliment to Jeop.. Sometime we say one thing and it means something else. I will take her post at face value and let it go.. No need to get in a he say/she say conversation and have hard feeling on the wording of her post. Just my .02
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The only part of the post I agreed with was the part complementing Jeop. From my dealings with jeop, and from what I have heard, he fully deserves the complement. However, I am still offended by the rest of the comments. I don't like to get involved in these types of conversations on the board, I prefer talking about the great ladies of Washington/Baltimore, but in this case I could not send a pm to the poster.
Read them all, BD, and then tell me her purpose is only to compliment jeop. She had some pretty negative things to say about hobbyists in general.
I came in on the back end of this thread and I only person I wanted to get rid of was Mr. Info..lol I will go back and read the whole thread.
JC, it's due to that damn Capitol One. Thanks to them, we can't have fun PILLAGING anymore. So we took up HOBBYING instead! It's just been so dern hard to ADJUST...LMAOROTF
and none of you peddles your asses to men everyday, do you?
If you feel offended because I called some guys ogres & trolls, well, so be it.
Over the years, I've met very nice people, inside and out, and I've met guys I would not look twice if they were not paying me.
But, when I started, I've met nasty board "personalities" and had to fake I was enjoying because I knew if I expressed my real feelings, I would get slammed and rated real low, ruining my livehood. Many times I scrubbed myself raw and used a full bottle of listerine after they left.
That's the reality of this business, you wanted or not. Not every guy looks like a Prince, there are lots of frogs out there.
But, I've learned how to deal with all and overlook things that I would not accept in a man for myself.
Today, I have a reputation established and I can avoid and object to see people I don't feel comfortable with. And I don't fake either.
I have 9s and 10s, but also I have 6s and 7s. Amd you can guess why I got 6s and 7s. Because I didn't perform for them the same way I performed to the others. Why? well you have the answer on my previous posts.
I know I was going to get flamed, reason I posted under an alias.
People don't like to hear the truth.
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All other things being equal (as they rarely are), external looks are a "tie breaker" for me. However, sexual pleasure is 90% mental. Some people need looks to stimulate them mentally and sexually. Some of my BEST experiences have been with BBW's and such that much of present day American culture would not take a second look at (as you put it). One of my very best BDSM switch sessions was with a gal who most people would say was capable of "busting most ugly meters". If you look at my reviews, several show gals who looked great and gave very lousy performance. Others show the reverse.
My point in all this? Well, I stated it above. It's all about attitude. The cliche is worn out. However it is very true that some see the same glass as half full while others see it as half empty. The former is a positive outlook while the latter is a negative one. Time and again it has been proven that life works out much better for people who have positive outlooks.
Just look at our culture's TV, magazines, movies, and such. They all preach the doctrine of external beauty. Not to overgeneralize, but I feel younger people have been more exposed to this doctrine in their formulative years and have seen little to refute it. There are some very notable exceptions, but in general I don't have as good a time with younger providers as those over 30 (or at least over 25). If jeopcon "delivers more of the goods" that they want, more power to him. I don't worry about that. I play the hand that I have been dealt and make the best of it (and have done a pretty good job of it too, if I don't say so MYSELF).
For me, true beauty has ALWAYS come from within. I rapidly pick up on the existence (or lack thereof) of true beauty. I suppose that comes from six decades of experience with life. I enjoy having sex with gals who have TRUE beauty. If they also have external beauty, that is just icing on the cake. Those that ONLY have external beauty and negative outlooks are a waste of time for me.
Just as if a male hobbyist posted about providers in comparable terms like "skanky fat pigs" for example. His personal experience might be that "skanky fat pigs post old, lying photos and flake out." Yeah, maybe that's truth to him but he's going to get ripped for using insensitive language, which is exactly what you did. It wasn't just some guys....your words definitely made it sound like you meant most guys and you specifically included board personalities. Well, of course the guys here are going to think you are insulting them. I would be too, in their shoes (only reason I'm not exactly included is because you were specific on the gender).
For the record, I wouldn't care if you were my favorite provider, I'd still criticize you stepping over the line on civility. That civility applies to all, not just the men. Also, I hate to break it to you, but your writing style is pretty distinctive and I wouldn't be surprised if people know who you are.
I'm sorry you had some bad experience with some board "personalities" but I don't know why you would think your business would hinge on them when there are hundreds of providers who never read TER posts and don't give them special treatment and vice versa the majority of hobbyists who don't read TER or if they do browse the reviews not the board postings. Plenty of men read ads like Eros and just pick up the phone or go through another board's reviews.
Seems to me you are unhappy with alot of what you've experienced and because of it you have little respect for the men who hobby and do a pretty good job of insulting them. You're entitled to your opinion but if you're going to be tactless, expect to be called on the carpet for it regardless of your past experiences or desire to express the "TRUTH". If you are more civil about your points, you might find them better received. Constructive criticism's been well-received here too.
Being an escort is not as glamorous. On the boards you just get the tinted view from colored glasses. I was not trowing stones to the present personalities of this board. This is not the only board in the Planet. I was talking about some other times and other places, way back in the past. I just posted my opinion because the original poster was blaming the girl. And I didn't think it was fair. I know, I should mind my own business, but sometimes I can't and I need to express how I feel. Sorry if some of you took my words in a personal way. It was not my intention to hurt your feelings.
Following is just one of the many negative comments you made about hobbyist in general:
"They are not interested in you at all, probably most of the time disgusted that they have to endure a full day of old, fat, hairy, ugly dicks, who wants to stick their tongues down their throats"
You were not talking about one or two guys, but hobbyist in general. I think every guy on this board should be offended (except for my buddy jeop).
If I made extremely negative comments about providers in general, and then told them they should face the TRUTH, then I would be rightfully attacked on this board. But, honestly, if I felt that way about most providers I would never hobby again.
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I am one not so offended by your comments. As it appears, you have had more then your share of bad experiences that has come out here when you are talking about being honest.
If you were to share your honesty as to why you are in this biz, what would it be? It's all about the money right? Or maybe not? Are the greater percentages of those you see so vulgar and repulsive? Or is it that you had too many frogs this week, or you see all hobbyist as frogs?
Are you angry with yourself for having to lie and fake it though the experience and when in bed with those frogs - even if the majority are nice, if not in appearance, at least in personality.
It is a good thing you used the alias - but I doubt your honesty would have been so open and forth coming if you were exposing your true identity.
I feel you are seriously troubled, not just being open, honest and forthcoming with your opinions and views on this hobby. I felt pain and anguish when I read your posts, for that I am sorry you have to live with yourself no matter if you quit today or never, it will always be with you.
I frequently wonder how providers manage day by day. It is no doubt all see the less desirable, less attractive. I mean what else can those frogs and repulsive men expect in life if it wasn't for this hobby, to go without? But I didn’t know there were so many – just how many we will never know I guess. But in your case, it is far more then you care to remember and if you had known this before getting started, you probably would have found a different career wouldn’t you?
How many guys would be able to do as well as the providers out there? Not many could fake it as well as you may have. Not many could bear the thought of going down on Grandma no less then making out with her.
It isn't something I see myself capable of overcoming if the shoe was on the other foot. However, maybe it is about the money, it isn't easy to make that much money in any profession – but I will never know will I.
Well Good Luck, I think you should at least let everyone know more of the percentages - it may still be offensive to some, but it is your body, mind, and soul we are talking about. And if it is your view that most of the hobbyist you see are disgusting, repulsive, frogs and ogres, then I'm impressed with how well you can fake it or lie for someone as honest as you say you are... Maybe you should go to Hollywood and become an actress. Just show then your reviews as credit and testimony to how well you can act. I’m sure there will be a screen test or two practicing your best lines and acting skills. But if it pays really good and gets you out of this horrible hobby I’ll sleep well knowing you won’t have to live another day having the sleep with the frogs.
a typical ad says things like "who will light up your life and leave you desperately needing more... " and "book your appointment early.
You will be very pleased that you did!" It doesn't go on to say "if I feel like it" or "if I haven't already seen 12 clients today" etc., etc.
Granted I'm sure there are some rather unsavory cleints providers have to deal with, but that's part of the game right? My guess is most of the guys are reasonably attractive, reasonably fit men. After all, it takes a certain amount of disposable income to indulge in this hobby, and generally people who have that kind of income take better care of themselves.