You sound like a good candidate for international travel; Montreal, Toronto, Mexico, Netherlands, and in particular FKK Germany. 
can we talk about these new screening requirements? if you need my real name, my employer, my work phone number or my linkedin to be comfortable making an appointment then this is not the line of work for you. fellow hobbyists...how do you feel about these intrusive screening requirements? providers...can you make me understand? when did references and deposits stop being enough?
Girls get to set the requirements to see them. If you are not happy with those requirements move on. What you list seems to have been around a while (at least 5 years). References are probably good for many providers assuming the reference is someone that is well know and credible to them. You don't show any reviews so not sure what your background is or how recent the references you want to offer might be.
P411 maybe (but that requires much the same information you are listing).
It’a a hobby date, not an intro to meet mom and dad. Manage risk ladies. Select fewer clients. Strive for repeats. You will know more about em after couple dates than gleamed from linkedin
I pass and move on to the next lady...BUT...I will NEVER criticize a provider on doing what makes her feel safe. If you don’t like the screening requirements, don’t complain about it, just move on.
This is a board....he is entitled to share his opinion....you don’t like the post...simply don’t post but don’t tell him to not to post...it’s not your website!!!!!
And i can say the same for you.
His lack of self awareness is comical.
“If you don’t like the post...then don’t post [a response]”.
Yet he posted a reply on three separate providers’s ads with snide responses about their rates since they were too high for him.
This is a board....he is entitled to share his opinion....you don’t like the post...simply don’t post but don’t tell him to not to post...it’s not your website!!!!!
And point out where I told him not to post. I said don’t complain, move on. One can complain as nauseum about something, but the easiest thing is to move on. Work on your reading comprehension.
"This is not the line of work for you"? Jeez dude seriously? I don't see providers that require that type of info, but I simply move on. People are free to navigate this business however they want.
Also, mongers are free to post here....you don’t like a post....don’t post....you can’t tell him to not post if you don’t like what he posts!
As a few of my old girlfriends noted, "The worst thing that can happen to a guy on a date is he gets turned down and his ego gets bruised. For a woman, she can get killed". It happens more often than you think in the civvie world. Woman goes out on a date, and gets killed. It is not as uncommon as you think.
Intrusive screening does bother me, but I always keep that in mind. I've also learned there are a lot of providers out there and it sucks to miss a fish, but there will be others. Also, if you don't like screening, move to P411 or Agencies. Sloane weighed in from Private Liaisons, she runs a top-notch agency. The benefit is once you're screened, you don't have to go through it again, and again, and again. PL has some really nice talent coming in over the next month.
At the end of the day, and it has taken a long time to get to this space in my head, I just move on when I see a provider wanting details like work phone number or e-mail, LilnkedIn, etc. I don't give it out because many many many moons ago a Madame got busted and she kept a black book. Fortunately, there were like five Bill Clintons, a bunch of other fake names, which rendered the book useless. But she did keep detailed records, so I was sweating bullets for awhile. Lesson learned.
.02 cents.
I get it from both sides, on one end the ladies need to do what makes and keeps them safe, but for the guys they are worried about ashley madison like data dumps. So there is significant risk. As my position at my firm became more public facing I've scaled back A LOT of my hobbying. To where I haven't seen any lady for almost a year. So much so that I think my hobbying days are likely behind me. I would not feel comfortable with any personal info that leads back to me, but I know with anything there's risk, we're all just trying to mitigate it best we can. The ladies are totally in their right to do the same.
You sound like a good candidate for international travel; Montreal, Toronto, Mexico, Netherlands, and in particular FKK Germany.
No screening P4P fun.
Bruh there are some crazy women out there too..Like that one in Arizona who stabbed that guy while he was taking a shower after they had sex. Damn I forgot her name. lol
I’m not too keen on providing that info either. I’ve seen numerous ladies, all without issues. On the flip side, I’ve had ladies cancel on me last minute or straight up ghost me. Never left a review or trashed the lady because I consider that to be a part of the game.
But I understand that the ladies have to do whatever is best for them. As I’ve gotten older & more experienced, I’ve realized that women can go through so much on a daily basis and have to worry about things that men don’t typically worry about. When I was out of town one time, some drunk people accidentally tried to enter thinking they were on their floor. Scared the hell out of my partner. Told her I’ve done that before and I’ve had people do that to me when I lived alone. Never bothered me but I could see why she would be scared and I have to respect that. So while I don’t feel comfortable sending a pic of my ID and giving work info, I can’t fault them for wanting to feel safe. I just move on now.
Getting older & most experienced?? LMAO...cut the crap...didn’t you do your first review posting like few months ago #FPUA_introduced?
Whenever a provider asks for LinkedIn, real name, and employer, I politely move on. People’s lives will be destroyed as a result of this, either purposefully or inadvertently. You can book it.
Providing too much info, especially work info, provides too many opportunities for scams and blackmail. It‘s the Internet.
Simple law of supply chain- this area lacks good providers & that’s the reason even average or below average providers have donations & screening requirements beyond par.
Plus high level stress & reasonably high income mongers find it hard to keep it in their pants! So all good
While I don't have a problem with references, all providers deserve equal safety regardless of where they fall on the "hotness" spectrum, to say that only "above average" providers should get to screen strictly is seriously assinine.
As far as them being too expensive for their looks, if I were a client I wouldn't hire a provider I wasn't attracted to regardless of how cheap they were. I hate mustard for example, even if it's on sale or low priced I ain't buying it cuz I hate it, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Just my 2 cents.
Except when a gentleman is trying to use them to book a last minute date, ladies need ample time to respond.
Employment info is the quickest way to screen someone, but if you're only willing to use references then plan ahead, don't expect a date an hour from now only using references
Wow! That was quite an intelligent answer. You could have saved so many postings by speaking your mind before.
Beauty with brain ! Is not just a quote....but a person I just found “ DaphneDamour” 😘
I will be in DC/Nova from the 15-29 😘 (you'll find my itinerary under DC ads).
Also make sure to ask the lady first if it's ok to use her has a reference and to jog her memory.
Also make sure it's someone you've recently seen (within the past 6 months).
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why providers need as much PII information as some do as if others, who don't need as much PII don't care about their safety etc.
I don't question their right to ask for the PII nor do they have the right to question that I'm amused at their choice.
Some in DC started claiming that they have security clearances too when people balked at providing PII. Now who is to verify that? Some even believe more in their own checks but I never will trust a provider with my PII. No freaking way and that is my right.
I personally stay away from any such providers. There are plenty of good ones who don't ask for this and I suggest that you contact them. Just because one asks for your PII, no matter what the reason is, doesn't make them better than others.
And some providers become experts on how P411 works in just a few months after becoming a member. And again I stay away from such 'experts'.
I wouldn't see any provider asking for all that info the OP lists. No female company is worth the risk of what she may do with it.
Providers always CLAIM that they discard your info after verification...well, if they really do (which I don't believe)...they're not thinking rationally. If they end up with a client who, heaven forbid, gives them issues once he's in the room, common sense would dictate that they would want as much info about this person on file for the authorities. They MAY discard it after the first meet...but before that...I highly doubt it.
You are essentially sending sensitive material to a complete stranger, and that's a no-no.
If she's not on P411, I'm not seeing her.
I personally don't have problems contacting/meeting providers that aren't on 411 as long as they have multiple recent reviews here along with Normal screening and of course looks and rates.
Have met several from just the reviews here without any issues.
Like I stated, any provider who says she deletes your info right after verification is lying. It’s insurance in case something goes awry during the first meet. After that initial meet then perhaps... but the whole generic statement about ‘deleting after verification’... is b.s.
And btw, LE really can’t charge you with anything. You're paying for time. I know some guys who simply like talking and going out to eat with these ladies. There’s no documentation of donation in exchange for intimacy...
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Early on, a younger naïve me would give up all my info to get an appt. I did this with several Agencies, that at the time were providing the hottest of escorts in the DC area. Once I gave them my info, I got to see all the glorious women I could afford. Then they got busted. Then the calls from LE. Expensive lawyers. Then the blackmail emails to my hobby email acct. Weird threatening messages left on my hobby and work phones. If you are risk adverse, are worried about getting divorced and loosing your kids or your paycheck, or loosing your job, THEN either don't be in this hobby or don't give up your info. It is that simple. When an Independent or Agency gets busted, they are offered a deal for a lighter sentence. They WILL Give up your info and records of visits (ALA DC MADAM). If they get caught with their cell phone and/or laptop, LE will download that info to try and turn more people on each other.
Do you remember the Madame in Frederick, MD that was busted? That caused quite a stir. Fortunately, in that case, people were smart enough to use burner phones and fake names. Several "Bill Clintons" were helpful in undermining the investigation. Even if there was a "real name" it could have been fake paired with a burner phone. So, the lack of technology helped. They didn't post everything to the web, they just printed the lists and made them available for people to come in and read. I don't think that would happen today.
Try telling that to someone who absolutely needs your PII, they will assure you that they shred everything etc but we all know better.
Some people have wondered in the past why they don't share their PII with mongers when they ask mongers for their PII and the excuses provided were quite amusing as well.
from both sides. If you are not comfortable giving your info to that provider... you dont have to. Move to someone else that is less strict. Although, you could be missing some good fun & safe time. But at the end of the day is your decision, just like the provider decision on how she does her screening.
Veronica,
Folks in this hobby just need to do their own thing based on their comfort level.
I’m a P411 only guy, because I don’t like giving out my info.
True, I might miss out on spending time with some nice ladies - but I avoid all the stress of worrying about my info being out there. No brainer for me.
On the flip side, ladies who require more personal info will miss out on some great potential clients - but that’s a sacrifice they are willing to make for their safety.
It’s all good.
I should add... I did give in to the urge once to see a lady that I needed to be screened for (she was with an agency). Best woman’s body I’ve ever seen (including models, playboy, porn, movie actresses). And she was sweet as could be too. I think when starting out in this hobby it’s easier to be pulled in by some ultimate fantasy girl you are lusting after. AND it’s also easier to allow your thinking to go a little sideways, and to think that every lady should be willing to see you, because, gee, you are a great guy, and other provider’s have seen you, so why not these other ladies? As heady as this hobby is for guys - essentially internet shopping for beautiful women to have sex with - it takes a little longer for some to realize... this isn’t Amazon, you DON’T have the RIGHT to purchase sex with every woman who tickles your fancy. Other folks have already made THEIR calculated decisions about what screening they feel they need to do. If you don’t feel comfortable with that... so be it, it just isn’t meant to be. To go on rants about it is pointless. And of course, it’s even worse to argue with a lady to try to persuade her to your way of thinking. Just like it’s stupid and insulting for others to preach about why a guy “should” be “willing” to disclose his personal information. All just need to accept the reality of this hobby for what it is. But hell, even if you have a personal budget limit and restrict yourself to P411... there is still loads and loads of fun to be had. (Not to mention you can always go to AMPs for no-screening fun too)
Providers with strict and sometimes inexplicably strict PII policies would also lose some very good clients who could be repeat customers.
So, loss is for Providers as well, isn't it.
"when did references and deposits stop being enough?"
IMHO a hobbyist is ill advised to give a deposit. Deposit scams are rampant in the hobby. Unless you already know the lady and have an established understanding, giving a deposit is just asking for trouble.
Even when intentions are honorable on both sides shit happens and a deposit can easily become a point of contention.
I've been in the hobby for 15 years and seen over 400 ladies and have never given a deposit. On the other hand, I have read many a thread where newbie hobbyist have gotten scammed using the "deposit" ploy. Don't do it.
With covid so many “grandma’s have died” 😂 so sometimes deposits are a most. It depends on the client and their screening.... and my instinct these days
is what I follow. There are plenty of providers that one can meet without giving up PII or making a deposit.
IMHO providers who ask for deposits/PII are in no way superior to providers who don't ask for these. So why would I want take that risk?