She charges $4000.00/ HR but she sees only 1 hobbyist a week!
hi all. I have been doing a little research, and my investigation has shown the $$1/2 benchmark price is becoming extinct. Many providers who were at that price are now at $$$ and many are routinely at $$$1/4 or more, with $$$$ not being uncommon anymore. Those $$$$ prices were reserved for the uber-talent, but now, it seems that it's not a surprise anymore.
If this $$$ becomes any more common, then $$$.5 won't be far behind.
I based this by looking at over 100 providers pricing in DC on here, Eros and Cityvibe. If you look at other cities, especially Miami, it seems that they've already blown by us and are routinely at $$$1/2 and $$$$ is pretty common.
This is a bad trend folks.. I wonder how many will be willing to shell out that much, plus any sort of tip for an hour.
Ladies should really be thinking that they're going to price themselves out of the market very quickly if this continues.
For the mathmatically challenged, lets look at a little comparision for the ladies.
Assuming you see less guys with a $$$ price over a $$.5, if you see 10 guys in a week at $$.5 that's $2500.00.. If the new price only gets you 6, then you're at 1800.00, a $700 loss.. The key question is if seeing less clients but charging a little more is worth it. You need to see 8.5 to make the same $, and with only a 1.5 client difference to make the same $, is it really worth the price increase? But if a lot of us don't go to the new price, then the choice seems clear.
--JB
...but I didn't know $$.5 was a benchmark. I thought it was $$$.
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$$.5 WAS, Lue. It still is available for a fair number of providers. But, as JB has stated, the upward price pressures are definitely in place. Clearly, we hobbyists HAVE to have less sessions at $$$ than at $$.5.
I too have witnessed this travesty! However, I've noticed this evolution over the last 5 years -- at that rate the $$$1/2 benchmark won't really be in until 2010 or so.
Guess that means I'm SAFE. By 2010, I'll probably either be "out of commission", or "popping up daisies"....
It's all just supply and demand. If a lady prices below-market for her services she will get too many people wanting her service and will allocate the surplus via queuing - being difficult to get, ignoring calls, being very selective etc. But she will be busy. If on the other hand she prices above her market value then she will find she gets less work than she would like to get. Now supply is affected by other factors especially the law. In places where the law accomodates escort service more women are willing to take the risks and so supply is greater. See Toronto prices where it is fully legal versus New York prices where NYPD is active against it. The ladies I guess make their pricing decisions based on the amount of work they are getting versus the amount they want. The amount they are willing to do depends on costs, pecuniary and personal - are we jerks or not? - and on risks. At higher prices they will put up with higher costs. Where the costs and risks are lower they won't be able to command such high prices. They are working in a market environment. As you may guess I'm an economist!
Not even close. What Canada has is decriminalization. In Toronto, LE is pretty lenient, you won't generally find a problem there unless drugs or minors are involved... however, often these things are involved. If, for whatever reason, LE decides they are bored, well, then you may end up with a fine... yes, a fine, no jail time, no criminal record. In Quebec, where I am from, LE is never bored, and rarely bothers with the ladies here... this time, you are more likely to have a problem because of minors... and in Quebec, minors are a good deal of the workers here. Comparing rates in Toronto to Montreal... TO=250$/hr cdn, Mtl=150$/hr cdn.
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Anik
I do not mind paying the extra $ or $$ if the quality of the provider in looks and service are there.
I wouldn't EITHER if I was John D. Rockefeller. Only problem is, I am NOT. I suspect MOST hobbyists aren't JDR EITHER, or anything CLOSE. So that is the other factor of the equation. Yes, there is a "squeeze" on providers, but there is also an even bigger squeeze on the hobbyists, as the ultimate consumer who is paying for everything, INCLUDING the providers' expenses. Yes, the agency gals get about half, but that is STILL $.5 an hour. How many of us hobbyists are able to make that??
Your math is interesting, but your assumption (that a significant amount of business is LOST at the higher rate) is doubtful. It's all about the Benjamins, and if the women (or, more importantly, their agencies) were seeing a decline in revenue, price rises wouldn't be sticking. The demand seems to be there, even at the higher rate.
BTW, if you want to see some truly sky-high numbers, don't look at the Miami boards, look at the New York boards.
She charges $4000.00/ HR but she sees only 1 hobbyist a week!
JB is right in that often high volume discount sales yield higher returns than lower volume premium sales; that's just an economic reality. I also agree that paying more is never really an issue if you get a good return on your investment. I have paid premium prices on occasion, but only to known and well reviewed providers. Zamster brings up a point that I have made before in that you have to factor in LE risk into the price. In places where providers are hardly ever hassled if they keep below the radar the rates are always cheaper. Even in Europe where the Dollar is weak vs. the Euro, I consistently find great ladies for far less than what I would pay for the same class of woman and service here. This is after all a business and you have to cover your overhead to stay afloat.
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That's what I don't like. Price increases are inevitable. What I don't like is the decrease in sevice. It seems the trend in pricing is being led by a lot of these primadonna girls who think their sh!t doesn't stink, and that we should be honored just to have them in our presence. Some are charging the same as our car payments. They all forget that DC is not NY, nor is it Miami. We'll take a girl who isn't a model but her service and her attitude had better be top notch. They can do whatever they want as far as their rates go. But once I see it become the norm that 2 visits equal a Porsche payment, I'm gone. I'll be down at the dealership, and I'll spend my money on something I can enjoy everyday.
In response to the statement, "Ladies should really be thinking that they're going to price themselves out of the market very quickly if this continues," keep in mind these girls may be targeting an entirely different demographic than you or me...maybe we should just get better jobs in order to afford to stay in the hobby! I've chatted with several of my all-time favs who are considering a price hike because yes, there is indeed an audience of affluent men who don't mind paying in teh $500/hr range. It makes them feel manly just to put out that kind of money. The logic that some of these girls have towards the price hike: other girls who offer lesser services are raking it in, so why shouldn't they? Let's face it, there are plenty of us ugly, geeky, overweight guys (I'm not too proud to admit it!) who can only get "it" by paying for it, and you do get what you pay for in terms of quality service, at least most of the time.
I agree entirely with what's been said; however, as I suggest below on the thread re "Julianna", apparently there are those among willing and/or able to pay. So it looks as if we're doing this to ourselves!
Guess what. Everybody on this board (or all of TER's and TBD's boards) could quit this hobby right now, and it would have little effect on the marketplace. There are just SO many guys looking for the "product". Always HAVE been; apparently always WILL be. At least in here, we have set up a provider "consumer reports".
Don't these ladies realize that by charging more will put them in a higher oncome tax bracket...LOL
No wonder you're laughing! Everyone knows the advantages of a "cash business" a.k.a. "underground economy". After all, the whole business is UNDERGROUND. It just goes with the territory. Raises an interesting point, though. Whatever can be kept "underground" is obviously worth more than what cannot. Consider THAT, the next time a provider tries to tell us how POOR they ARE! Just another reason why the hobby should be legal. Look at all the revenue it would generate. But the "moralists" (and hypocrits) who run government can't seem to see the whole picture. Funny how they "saw the light" with gambling, though. It all goes back to what is behind those "daytime talk shows".
Looks like we see it the same way.
Why of COURSE I am, golfguy! Did anyone ever really have any DOUBT?? Hmmm Hmmm
Okay, okay. I'll go back to my dungeon now. At least there, I can feel SAFE!!
There are those of us who will pay whatever the going rate is no matter what. Why? Because when all the blood rushes to their head (the little one) they don't think clearly with the big head. Not going to change... ever. (Those are the guys that make it tough for us all)
On the other hand, I have seen women all my long life that believe they have the only one. They don't! They read their reviews and believe them. They shouldn't. They read other ladies reviews and think they're just as good. Many aren't!
This time around I've had only one experience that was worth the money. I have yet to pay what was the asking price, I have always paid a little more and I always bring a gift, some small some more. If the prices get to high, the extras won't be available, I won't feel comfortable if I can't make it special and I'll stop going. If this was JUST about sex, a spa or carwash, or a good porn movie and a few tissues would do.
I'm retired and pretty much on a fixed income. If the cost continue to rise, Ms Palmer and I will start a long term relationship... again....LOL
My two cents
i love getting the conversations going in here.. It was getting so bad, i could review all the new posts in 3 minutes..
Now, while there are all sorts of arguments and debates on this topic, the reality is we won't really ever change it, the price will go where it's gonna go.
What I don't agree with, is if TER readers stop partaking, it won't affect their income. I think that's probably wrong as I think TER has a much wider readership base than we'd ever know.. The guys who never post anything, but read religiously. .The guys who've never posted a review, and either don't read the members area or pay and still never post..
The ladies will be making a tactical error by raising prices that simply knock out too many regulars.. And once she loses those 10-20 regs a month, she's now got to depend on all new, one time clients and the stress will be harder to make their desired income. And with one time clients, they will have to be less selective and could end up with more abusive or even dangerous guys.. Our base of reliable regulars are known and safe and they provide that 'base income'.. They will work far harder to make it without us..
And this is all over a relatively small amount of $.. Of course, those $$$$ base rate ladies may be more interested in the high rollers, and the key will be if there really are enough out there to make it pay off. Remember, at $$$$, seeing one lady a week, is really a mortgage payment for a lot of us, not a car payment as someone mentioned! How many of us can REALLY afford that, but not ONLY is that an issue, how many have enough expendable income to not make it obvious to the spouse which may exist.. She could be a real concern if the bank account is $1600 or more short every month!
Guess we'll see where things go, but the smartest providers may realize they can snag a huge share of the market by pricing wisely and offering good service.. !
--JB
JB. Every provider I have EVER seen has told me how they HATE that first session with a new guy. No matter what, they have absolutely NO idea who or what is coming through that door. Even if they can handle the jerks, it still isn't a pleasant experience. Who in their right mind would want to replace good, steady regulars (who are often friends) with a "constant dose" of newbies all the time? There gets to be a point where enjoying one's job is more important than just making a bit more money. And as you have suggested, if they do see less guys at higher prices, have they really made any more money??
...Every provider I have seen as seen me as a "first session with a new guy".
...but only ONCE. The rest of the times that you repeat with a provider are NOT in that category. Now, imagine if few repeat due to high prices. Then, a much higher percentage of the provider's sessions ARE in that category. Why would anyone want that, just for a few extra bucks?? But, many do for "the almighty dollar".
That was my point -- I've never repeated, so ALL my visits must've been horrible ones from the provider's perspective.
Speaking as a non-DC resident, I disagree. DC rates are still great compare to Philly area where I came from. I can't find quality providers there under $$$, but I find many $$1/2 providers in DC. DC has a huge market and the supply is highly competitive. The rates range widely from $$ to $$$$, but you have to do your homework to locate the $$ bargain. My observation is that agency ladies generally charge less than inde, and non-white charge less than white.
In Philly, the local supply is small and they hold up the rate at $$$ bench mark. The choice in DC is great and the rate is fair. This is why I hobby here on biz trips more often than at home.
If here is complaint about rate hike, blame on the internet. I'm a believer that internet sex has promoted a lot more demand than the supply.
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Hey, I resemble that remark... I'm always a pleasent experience....LOL... at least I think so.... 
They may be afraid now but a few years ago I had no trouble or difficulty and almost all of the ladies were fun and easy to connect with... now it seems that you are correct... they are a little uneasy.... I used do repeats more often, rather than see new ladies, but as of now have found only one I would like to see again and she requested I return and I probably will. If the ladies would like to have repeats instead of new clients they should act like it. Don't be afraid, most of the guys are just horney, not dangerous. Most are as nervous as they are about a new experience. That's what is supposed to be fun about this. That may be why I'm not having much fun.
But I do understand that some of the guys are jerks and dangerous. I have had to help out more than one that was abused, beaten or raped. But that was then, haven't heard about any of that lately.
Now this is a great discusision. I like to look at this hobby from an economic basis also. I do believe we are seeing the upswing in price adjustment. But I also believe the top is now being reached or at least will be reached in the next 2 years. Just as the country is sending high paying tech jobs overseas for cheap labor this industry will experience the same with an increases in imigration. Paying $$$ will be a thing of the past as I believe you will end up paying $.50 for great service. The supply will increase drastically with an ease on imigration and demand will remain constant thus providing a downward pricing pressure.
Interesting. Hope it comes true. I think JB has it right also. I make close to six figures, drive a nice german car, and yet I still don't make enough to spend $300 everytime I think about it. Imagine the poor guys who make the averge american salary trying to do this.
There is a huge market for those who can't pay alot. Providers may want to use Walmart or Home Depot as a model. Price for less and business will be good. These guys are now in the top ten in wealth. Of course, providers may not want to deal with the volume to make up for the price. But if you are going to charge mercedes rates, make sure you provide mercedes service.
steve
You make an interesting point, Steve. Just because somebody makes less money doesn't mean that they need sex and enjoyment any LESS. One way or another, nature is going to "take its course". I have real empathy for those guys. After all, being in this hobby is sending me in the direction of "joining their RANKS".
if everybody had to charge the same so everybody could afford it then it wouldnt be capitalism
Could they be askin for more because we expect more? I remember when i first hobbied the girls never kissed, jus one pop and there werent many revies onthe girls.mayube the girls are mad because they are expected to do the same with everyone now or get bad reviews.so they want to make more money if they have to do things they dont want to do with everyone.just a thought.
When I got into this business 5 years ago, I was one of the few ladies that did DFK, BBBJ, multiple pops and allowed DATY. My rate then was $250 per hour and that was the going rate FIVE years ago. My rate is currently $300 but I offer a regular client discount that takes it back to $260 after a few appointments. My regulars still pay their old rate, of course.
Now, ladies that didn't offer those services are offering them to keep their exalted GFE status. Mind you, these are services I've always felt comfortable offering but what about the ladies that didn't and now are? Don't you think it's worth a little more for them, especially FIVE years later???? Prices have increased for everything: gas, hotels, candles, condoms, doctor's visits, apartments, utilities, you name it and it's gone up. Along with most people's salaries. So, please don't get upset that when our expenses go up, yours do too.
i don't mind paying for quality but i do mind paying the same rate when certain women are not equal obviously and i mean obviously
i see lots of utrs because i like the fantasy of thinking i'm the only one. since i didnt read about that tom harry and harry dick had her too, and wht they did with her.i would be happy paying more to have less wear/tear girls.
what would be the ideal rate you propose?how would you break it down> 50 for looks, 50 for kissing, 50 for nice body 50 for bbbj and 50 for enthusiastic penetration?
sort of ridiculous sense it is all subjective.
I agree. Remember the CityPaper days? Before the Internet? Girls were at 175 ish range, and there wasn't much GFE going on. Now almost all the girls have to be GFE to keep in the running and that is what is pushing the prices up.
We shouldn't be expecting the world with a lesser price tag.
...but do they charge any less for the guys that they DO enjoy "doing it with"? Sometimes maybe. But for the most part, "don't hold your breath".
well dont know about you but. ive at least been grandfathered in to old rates. on occasion will some lady give me a break if she doesnt let me pop twice and on occassion ive had a few give me a good discount becaues they said i was handsome and wanted me to come back.not braggin,just what they said.
but my point being it pisses me off to know i spent $$$$ or $$$$$ and see a less savery biscuit chargin the same.but i am basing this on looks and good attitude and good performance not special additions to menu like greek etc where maybe a lady charges extra for those. did that make sense?