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Instead of "never", it should be "always", such as a driver's license, especially if it is the first date. How would the provider know you are who you say you are? The provider might have already found your photo on-line but you probably wouldn't know that

This post was inspired by DCPhil's earlier post about recently getting caught participating in the hobby by his wife.

While we are not all married, most hobbyists have a desire to keep their participation in the hobby on the down low. Even if just to mitigate potential LE activity.  Everyone has their sensitivities, I guess.

With the wealth of knowledgeable resources participating on this board, I thought this the perfect opportunity to share advice, experience, and wisdom among like minded friends.  Input from gentlemen and ladies is encouraged.

I will get things started:

-To the extent possible, only use hobby dedicated phone and IT resources that are not registered in your name (Maybe some of our techie friends can add insight to this one).

Do not tie hobby related activities to social media.  It is just too transparent and traceable and permanent.

-Keep your mouth shut about hobby experiences except with trusted fellow hobbyists.

-Only hobby with ladies who can be/have been thoroughly vetted through trusted reviews or fellow hobbyists.

-Treat the ladies with whom you participate in the hobby with respect.

-Never discuss specific act of service or remuneration in association with any hobby activities.

-Be prepared to cut your losses and walk away from any hobbying situation as soon as it starts turning bad.  Motto: Live to hobby another day.

-Save up for hobbying activities by withdrawing small amounts of cash over a period of time. (This would apply primarily to hobbyists in a committed relationship.)

-Only hobby with cash.

-Never take personal identifying material (e.g., lisence, credit card, etc) with you on a hobby visit.

Feel free to disagree with any of the above, but do share your own input/experience.

Best wishes..

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Instead of "never", it should be "always", such as a driver's license, especially if it is the first date. How would the provider know you are who you say you are? The provider might have already found your photo on-line but you probably wouldn't know that

I've had trusted mentors tell me they would only consider sharing their personal information (e.g., name, address, employer) with a provider if she was willing to do same.  Each person must establish their own risk/trust threshold, I guess.

Posted By: MyFriendTony$$$
This post was inspired by DCPhil's earlier post about recently getting caught participating in the hobby by his wife.  
   
 While we are not all married, most hobbyists have a desire to keep their participation in the hobby on the down low. Even if just to mitigate potential LE activity.  Everyone has their sensitivities, I guess.  
   
 With the wealth of knowledgeable resources participating on this board, I thought this the perfect opportunity to share advice, experience, and wisdom among like minded friends.  Input from gentlemen and ladies is encouraged.  
   
 I will get things started:  
   
 -To the extent possible, only use hobby dedicated phone and IT resources that are not registered in your name (Maybe some of our techie friends can add insight to this one).  
   
 Do not tie hobby related activities to social media.  It is just too transparent and traceable and permanent.  
   
 -Keep your mouth shut about hobby experiences except with trusted fellow hobbyists.  
   
 -Only hobby with ladies who can be/have been thoroughly vetted through trusted reviews or fellow hobbyists.  
   
 -Treat the ladies with whom you participate in the hobby with respect.  
   
 -Never discuss specific act of service or remuneration in association with any hobby activities.  
   
 -Be prepared to cut your losses and walk away from any hobbying situation as soon as it starts turning bad.  Motto: Live to hobby another day.  
   
 -Save up for hobbying activities by withdrawing small amounts of cash over a period of time. (This would apply primarily to hobbyists in a committed relationship.)  
   
 -Only hobby with cash.  
   
 -Never take personal identifying material (e.g., lisence, credit card, etc) with you on a hobby visit.  
   
 Feel free to disagree with any of the above, but do share your own input/experience.  
   
 Best wishes...  
 

Including other hobbyist?

I've never had a hobby buddy(not sure why any guy needs one?), but I've heard of guys throwing other guys under the bus for favors and such. Just expanding upon what you've already posted.

Posted By: MyFriendTony$$$
This post was inspired by DCPhil's earlier post about recently getting caught participating in the hobby by his wife.  
   
 While we are not all married, most hobbyists have a desire to keep their participation in the hobby on the down low. Even if just to mitigate potential LE activity.  Everyone has their sensitivities, I guess.  
   
 With the wealth of knowledgeable resources participating on this board, I thought this the perfect opportunity to share advice, experience, and wisdom among like minded friends.  Input from gentlemen and ladies is encouraged.  
   
 I will get things started:  
   
 -To the extent possible, only use hobby dedicated phone and IT resources that are not registered in your name (Maybe some of our techie friends can add insight to this one).  
   
 Do not tie hobby related activities to social media.  It is just too transparent and traceable and permanent.  
   
 -Keep your mouth shut about hobby experiences except with trusted fellow hobbyists.  
   
 -Only hobby with ladies who can be/have been thoroughly vetted through trusted reviews or fellow hobbyists.  
   
 -Treat the ladies with whom you participate in the hobby with respect.  
   
 -Never discuss specific act of service or remuneration in association with any hobby activities.  
   
 -Be prepared to cut your losses and walk away from any hobbying situation as soon as it starts turning bad.  Motto: Live to hobby another day.  
   
 -Save up for hobbying activities by withdrawing small amounts of cash over a period of time. (This would apply primarily to hobbyists in a committed relationship.)  
   
 -Only hobby with cash.  
   
 -Never take personal identifying material (e.g., lisence, credit card, etc) with you on a hobby visit.  
   
 Feel free to disagree with any of the above, but do share your own input/experience.  
   
 Best wishes...  
 

You might require your driver's license for I.D. first time using an agency. I keep my wallet with me anyway, I don't feel comfortable leaving it in the car. If you shower at the location, keep your wallet with you in the bathroom along with any valuables. Also:

--Don't loiter around in the lobby, it could raise a red flag if there are any plainclothes LE around.

--Improve your chances of a great session by keeping yourself clean, manicured, and presentable. You shoes should shine and your apparel should be up to standards.

--Don't talk too much. Too much talking always ruins it.

--A small gift never hurts, if you can afford it. Even if the provider doesn't like the gift, the thought will be appreciated--we hope.

--Check before you leave that nothing gets left behind. You don't want to drive away and notice that your watch is not on your wrist.  

--If you're session is in the day, wear a good pair of sunglasses going in and out. Whether you know it or not, you're being digitally recorded entering and exiting the establishment. Everybody is. Don't make it any easier for anyone viewing the monitor to recognize you.

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I always talk a lot, especially with my regulars.

I always leave behind something -- namely, DNA evidence

Be prepared to eventually get caught.  Even though you don't want to admit it women are smarter than you, more patient, more skilled, and just better at this than you can ever imagine.  If you're not caught, its just denial on their part or they don't want to go down that road.  I was caught and divorced, here are some tips to delay the inevitable.

This is how suspicion will be raised, and raising the radar.

Smells, women's sense of smell is better than yours.  If you can't take a shower right-away with YOUR brand of soap, fill-up with gas and  get a little on your hands, and touch the back of your neck if its within four hours of seeing your friend.  Don't believe me, keep  that shirt that you've worn that day, leave it in the laundry basket, and four days later smell it.  Yes, its that noticeable.

Habits: I pick up matches wherever I go for whatever reason, its my habit.  Picked up some a few times from some establishments that i forgot about but were still in my pocket.  Business cards, was given a card from an AMP for discounts after several visits, thought I had tossed it, but it was thoughtlessly tucked away somewhere it shouldn't be, but a place that I forgot.  Candy/mints, bottles of water, don't let habits or treats give you away.  Candy wrappers.

Another flag raised, the passenger seat was moved back in my car after a little afternoon romp, SO at the time sat down and was like why is this seat pushed back?  Said, my friend Brian was with me and I gave him a ride back from work - Brian is 6'2".  Always have a story.  I remember the Mad Men episode when Penny was trying to figure out how her boss was going to get out of it, but smooth operator had a story all ready and didn't even blink when throwing out his excuse  Always have a plausible story.  Women are passive aggressive and aren't going to confront you on it, unless its a shitty story.

The Truth - Always have a story and make it somewhat true.  Before your noon'er, go shoot a couple hoops, hit some golf balls, get a coffee at the mall.  If a question arises, you can answer truthfully.  "I called you at noon, where were you?"  You can honestly say, my phone must have been in my jacket pocket, I was hitting golf balls.  You can give a truthful description of the range, the weather, who was there, etc.  Bonus, you don't have to remember the story, because its true.  Especially when she'll ping you on it several months later and ask you again in a sideways fashion to try to catch you.

Burner phone is great, but you better have a damn good reason for having it when she finds it.  With the burner phone, always delete the call/text history, religiously.

Finally, situation awareness.  That mini-van look familiar?  It might be your wife, but more likely her friend who just wants to be helpful.

How did I get caught, spyware on the computer.  Started with me forgetting to clear cache/history and using personal computer

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I will have sex with my wife 2 times in the morning and still I want to have sex with another lady.  There is something about men that have the urge to always have something on the side.

Even the religious preacher men are players.

She wasn't very good about covering her tracks, either.  Surprisingly easy to find stuff without even trying.  As good as you think you are, you aren't.

Did you know if you use Google anything and its on your phone, you're being tracked, and I mean detailed information.  Just another FYI for you folks.  You may be using a disposable phone, but if you leave your real phone on at the same time, you're being tracked.  Use Google Maps to find your location, guess what.   Yeah, exactly.

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I carry extra pair of underwear and shirt in a plastic bag. When I got to incall if there is a lot of smell I put the stuff on in the plastic bag after I go to the gym to shower. I swim at least 8 laps to take away the smell of woman's odor/perfume. Then later on go to the laundry mat to clean the clothes with the perfume/woman's odor on it.

24 hour gym is worth the investment. Oh btw the way going in the steam room does not remove the woman's smell. You really have to get into the swimming pool and do some laps. If you can't do the swimming walk back and forth in the pool. One can walk faster than they can swim.

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In regards to the hobby phone, keep it somewhere where it won't be found OR use google voice. Google voice has an option where you can put the do not disturb feature on and nothing will come through unless your ready to use the number then turn it off.  

I had a man who's wife called me cause she found his hobby phone. DUMB

If you have a hobby phone keep it in the same spot that you keep your spare tire. I knew of another hobbyist that popped out the interior frame of his car door and kept the phone in there.  

Shower, and WASH your face, brush your teeth. I have seen too many men walk out of the session without washing anything then go right home to their wives. Not only is that obvious, its gross.

I always take mine with me after an almost-disastrous experience.

Went to visit someone. Parked in apartment complex.  I was still new - always left my wallet and phone in the car because I "didn't want to get robbed."  30 minutes later I walked out and car was gone. Luckily I was able to get back in to the gurl's place and call the tow company and get my car out.  Blessedly the cabbie was understanding and happy to wait for me to get my car back to pay him. But it was a very frightening couple of hours.

Would have been a lot easier if I had my own cell phone with me and wasn't worrying about having no wallet, no phone, and no way to get home 10 miles from home

Thanks for sharing your experience!  Based on feedback, I will amend this "rule".

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Women will pay for a private investigator, and have them track you every move....You will wonder how the fuck she knows all this shit. Is it a tracking tool on my computer, is it one of my boys telling on me, how can she know all this stuff, I covered all bases. Well check out your surroundings and look for a car that you keep seeing, you can bet she has a PI on your ass.

not carrying ID is in and of itself an invitation for trouble if stopped by police for questioning when coming out of a hotel or incall.   If you provide ID as legally required when asked by LE, and otherwise simply refuse to answer any questions,  and ask if you are being detained or are free to go, you are best off.

Not having ID allows LE to detain you on suspicion and further investigate in and of itself and is very unwise....

Absolutely. Always have your drivers license at the ready, you never know when you'll need it. Also, when parking at an apartment or condo complex, find a spot where you're allowed to park. Don't pull into the first empty spot you see. Look for a sign that says "Visitor Parking" or ask your provider beforehand. She should be able to tell you where it's safe to park inside the complex.

You don't leave your wallet and phone in the car during a session because your vehicle can vanish

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