So I'm reading the thread below on the unfortunate hobbyist who got killed and beheaded and I see the agency Private Liason post a message.  I visit their site and see they have a section called "Bad Apples".  It noted that these ladies/former employees had run off with the proceeds.  When I read that shyt I LMAO!

WTF!?!?  I never considered that angle.  But I guess an employee could/would run off with the proceeds since they are the collection point.  

Now that's right BP'ish!!

Agency types.......is that a prevalent problem for you or more of a rare occurrence?

It happens but not as often. It has happened to me 5 times in the 10 years I've been operating. I'm lucky it only happened that many times.  I copied an agency's bad apples page just late last year, it has discouraged ladies from stealing (and potential applicants). And yes you are correct, they can run off anytime since they're the person collecting.  I'm sure or happens to a lot of others and they just don't care to mention.  I on the other hand don't take this lightly hence the Bad Apples section.  

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Ever. And I mean ever. I will pay you, I don't need to be threatened. If you work with trash that runs off, you need to do something about who you're working with. And I don't want to be associated with anyone like that. On any level.  

First of all, the "stripper mentality" of a lot of girls really gets me, and I have a very low tolerance for girls who do not see the opportunity within the industry. Having worked with an agency before, I got a lot of experience with these types, and we do not click. I don't want to hear the constant bitching and moaning, and I don't want my sessions with a client ruined because some girl couldn't be bothered to spend $15 on a pair of damn panties, or makes us late because she's arguing with the land lord, or in general the shitty attitude that comes from doing this while feeling broke. It looks bad, and it's a rip off, IMO. If an agency has enough of these girls that they need to have a "bad apples" page, I'm not interested.  

Most importantly though, I've seen these pages, and I will be damned if I'm going to sit there and watch someone I know be outed over a measly $136, let alone piss off the wrong person and get myself outed too. Because, here's the thing: that's what the agency SAID she owed. Maybe it's true, but I've also personally watched girls make deposits, and the money magically disappears and they still "owe money". It's one side of the story, with no way of verifying it, and someone's identity is out there. An agency owner who will out someone over such a small amount does not give a damn about the girls personal safety, and likely doesn't care about yours as a client either.  

It screams low class, and as good as it may feel to "stick it to a girl" for the owner, it skeeves me out to the point where I will not even accept references from businesses like that.

Real classy of you. .  Also to encourage clients to not use agencies like me?  Wow, really wow!

S

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I don't encourage clients not to use agencies like you, I just don't accept references from them. Just like I won't accept references from agencies where I know the girls have to fuck the owner in order to get business. That is my personal comfort level, just as you are obviously comfortable exposing someone's identity. We girls have absolutely zero protection in many areas of this industry, and seeing that used against a girl really bothers me.  

And can you as an agency owner honestly disagree with what I said about working with girls who would end up on a bad apples page?  

It was not a post about you, it was a post about bad apples. If that's what you feel like you need to do to keep your girls in line, then so be it.  

conduct their business. Each agency has a way of managing their business and not all agencies operate the same. Being in my line of work, I don't like to set consequences, but consequences do deter unwanted actions. Every line of work have consequences and how each consequences is displayed, you just have to respect that.

Stealing is stealing, it doesn't matter if it's one dollar or one thousand dollars. You've stated, "I will pay you, I don't need to be threatened". Well, if you pay them, then why would they need to post your picture on their list? They actually had more names on their list but now only have three. Apparently something happened to the other girls and they resolved the matter. If those girls payed the agency, then they wouldn't be on the list.

I've personally seen one of the girls on their list before, both as independent and when she was working with "several" agencies. Word do spread, and like the other agencies have stated, she does steal, not just on one occasion, but several occasions.  

It is apparent that you did not have a good experience working with an agency. However, you shouldn't generalize all agencies on how they choose to manage their business. I've been a client with Private Liaisons for a while now. I am also a client of many other agencies.

I can tell you that Private Liaisons do truly care about their clients and providers. I've been on the boards long enough to know this because of the feedback's from the providers and hobbyist themselves. Private Liaisons is reputable on how they manage their business. For example, I recalled several threads about Private Liaisons and they were quick to remedy the situation for the client and the provider. In other words, they will work with you so they can build your trust and reputation. Not all agencies are like this.

Another good agency was BF, they have excellent feedback from their girls and clients. Not all, but the majority of them. I've had ONE complaint in the past and were quick to resolve the matter with me in a professional way.

However, I've also been with other agencies that was just terrible to deal with. Not only from me, but because the feedback's from the majority also agreed with me. You've stated, "be outed over a measly $136". If you look at their list, the lowest amount was $500 and the highest amount was $2000.

Here is my advice Charlotte, do not make any generalizations about an agency and how they conduct their business unless you know first hand about who you are talking about. You've responded to PL and stated that it wasn't directed towards them but your original post certainly made it like you were talking about them. The title of your thread was "I would never, ever use an agency like that". That to me seems pretty clear of what agency your referring to.

I respect everyone's opinion. But you should also be aware of how you conduct yourself on the boards because a lot of guys see that and its a turn off. I looked at your pictures and you look so cute but your response is the opposite of cute. If you have to respond on a heated topic and you know that your response is somewhat negative, then I would recommend using an alias in the future.  

2 advices:

1) Don't make generalizations of all agencies on how they conduct their business. Some agencies are actually really reputable.
2) Use an alias if you have to respond somewhat negatively because others may view as trashy.

Maybe you should do your research before even making comments about me. Or any agency in general. As a former well reviewed independent provider I operate my service like I did when I was Indy.  I have been stolen from many times and fortunately it's only been that much. Stealing is stealing and would you be happy if a client stole from you?  Of course not and you put him on a blacklist.  Sometimes our board persona is what potential clients only know of us. It's best to sometimes exercise restraint.  

Be safe.  

S

For explaining it better than I ever could.  This is why I prefer to stay out of discussions and participate in flame wars.  Lol!  Back in the day I would've been more bitchy. Back in the shadows for me!

S

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Once again, I wasn't talking about you in particular. I have repeatedly talked about the principle of having a bad apples page and the issue that I have with that, as a provider who has seen the effects of outing a girl. To me, that is one of the cruelest and scariest things you can hold over a girls head, because I know what can happen if the wrong person finds out. We have no protection whatsoever, and an agency is hopefully there to help at least a little. It deeply disturbs me to see someone in a position of power use it against a girl, in all situations, not just this one.  

Are you the only one with a bad apples page? No. Again, not talking about you, just in general.

 Apparently, you have girls that ran off with lots of money (to which I would say, screen your girls, as you have done a job and should be paid.), and you also feel the need to have one of these pages. AGAIN, that is your decision. But, and I have no idea who this was by now, I have seen girls outed for less than $100, and that is wrong to me, as I would hope it would be wrong to you.  

I just see no point of showing a girls face. What? Is a John going to collect for you? Some agency owner is going to look on your website and magically make the connection? Probably not. It'd be better to send a note to agencies in the area, rather than risking a girls personal safety.  

Again, not about you. Again, it's specifically about the idea of outing a girl via a bad apples page. Promise

Well, thank you for the "advices", but here we go...

1) SIMILE. Google it. Learn it. Love it. Pass it on cause very few here seem to get it. That is what "an agency like that" means. As in, it doesn't matter Who, just in general, an agency that runs in the manner the OP outlined. Insert any other name and my comments will not change, and I still will not be talking about that individual company. I would not use an agency that has a bad apples page. I then explained why I wouldn't, and why pages like that bother me so much. If you cannot separate what that means from a personal affront on someone in particular, then I'm not sure what to tell you.  

2) I hope you enjoyed the pics, I personally don't care for backhanded comments about my appearance in relation to what I have to say. I literally LOLd at that.

3) I have no interest in seeing someone who either can't understand why I as a provider would disapprove of such a page, nor one who thinks he needs to remind me of my place or tell me to watch what I say. We are all big girls and boys and if I said it, it's because I meant it. I do not need to hide behind an alias to point out something that I feel deep personal discomfort about, because the safety of my friends has been risked on a number of occasions because of people who refuse to understand how serious our identity is. If a John can't get that, then he never needs to become a client of mine, and we can all go on our merry way.  

4) it is actually not apparent at all that I didn't enjoy working with an agency. I personally loved it. But that doesn't mean that everything is perfect, or that they (again, agencies in general) are fool proof. I was not projecting my personal experience onto any agency, just relaying a specific example as a reason why I am uncomfortable with those pages.  

5) and please, EVERYONE NOTE, that the majority of my initial post placed the blame on the GIRLS, as to why I wouldn't work with a company that feels the need to have a bad apples page. As previously stated, I'll pay! I'm not the one who needs to worry about pages like this, but the actual girls make up the majority of the reason I wouldn't work there. The fact that the GIRLS have created that much trouble that the owner feels a bad apples page is warranted skeeves me out just as much, but nobody seems to notice that, do they?

So here are my advices to you:
1) don't tell me not to generalize and then massively generalize about literally every single, quite specific, thing that I have said.  

2) don't think that I care at all that you don't think I'm cute because I dislike seeing girls put in compromising positions.

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