Do you guys remember his news conference at which he said his throat cancer was caused by HPV which he contracted from DATY? Catherine Zeta-Jones filed for divorce shortly thereafter. I guess she didn't have HPV..
True story.
A family I know whose husband went "hobbying", contracted HPV and passed it to his wife. Then their daughter got it during birth and developed into throat cancer. As a child she went in and out of the hospital countless times. It was a miserable childhood. Despite that, she grew into a brilliant young lady. Last I heard, with cancer still ravaging, she is on her way to getting both a law and MD degrees. However, she is very angry and has never forgiven her father.
Guys, even if you don't care about the risk to providers, think of the risk to yourself and your family.
Not sure if I can believe this story. They are different strains and it is not in the blood like other stds. In order to do the test the doctor has to snip some tissue out of the female. I can be in the females throat, vagina, or outside on the body as warts. The tissue has to be sent to a lab for DNA testing.
Sounds like the guys daughter got it in her throat for deep throating a guy.
http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/hpv-pregnancy
I tried not to put too many words in my post hoping it wouldn't be misunderstood.
The daughter contracted HPV *during* birth. As a child, she got warts in her throat which developed into cancer.
Relatively recent article:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3632362/
"While the exact rate of transmission has not been determined, it is clear that HR-HPV can be transmitted during the delivery process. There is also a possibility that HR-HPV can be transmitted to the newborn or infant through by sexual or non-sexual contact. Several studies have demonstrated that HPV can be acquired in the neonatal period and in some infants HPV can persist for up to 26 months. More often, HPV can persist in the oral cavity and induce clinical changes characteristic of HPV long after delivery.
"The precise route of vertical transmission remains unclear. Several studies have reported that the risk of vertical transmission is increased with vaginal delivery, suggesting that perinatal transmission occurs as the fetus passes through an infected birth canal [6], [23], [24]. However, other investigators have reported that cesarean delivery is not protective against perinatal transmission [22], suggesting that route of delivery may not be a critical risk factor. In the current study, the risk of HPV DNA detection in neonates was not significantly reduced in women delivered by cesarean delivery. Indeed, more HPV DNA-positive neonates were born by cesarean than vaginal delivery (p<0.05, Table 1). These data suggest that other routes of vertical transmission may exist. "
"In the prior studies of Park et al. and Rombaldi et al., all infants who were HPV positive at birth subsequently tested HPV negative at both 6 months and 12 months of life [10], [31]. However, other reports have shown that HPV can be detected persistently in infants for months and years after birth, suggesting that this is not simply contamination with maternal virus [12],
. Although HPV is known to cause clinical disease, including benign orogenital lesions (warts) as well as cancer of the cervix and head and neck, it is still unclear how often infantile HPV infection progresses on to clinical disease [4]. If vertical transmission does occur and if the virus can persist in a dormant state for many years, then mother-to-fetal transmission may be laying the blueprint for cancer development later in life in many organ systems."
"It has recently been suggested that a subset of head and neck squamous cancers, especially oropharyngeal cancer, is HPV-related [5]. Indeed, 40–80% of oropharyngeal squamous cell cancers in the US are positive for HPV 16 [2]–[5]. In spite of the importance of HPV in oropharyngeal cancer, the epidemiology and natural history of oral HPV infection is not well understood. "
"In conclusion, HPV DNA can be detected in 5% of neonates born to healthy women, and is associated with detection of HPV in mothers during any of the three trimesters of pregnancy. This observation has major implications for our understanding of the route and timing of HPV mother-to-fetal transmission.
But is BBBJ or DATY more risky for contracting HPV? The studies don't seem to distinguish and merely correlate "oral sex" with HPV. In any event, it *is* concerning.
You can get in your tongue/throat and end up with oropharyngeal cancer.
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this article links HPV transmission to performing oral sex and to open-mouth kissing - http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/199/9/1263.full
kind of stuff, but some guy admitted to you that he went hobbying; when his kid was born they tested her for HPV; they traced it through the mom to the dad; and the kid was told about the hobbying. What a horrible chain of events.
. . . I believe the most likely scenario would be that the kid was diagnosed with warts in her throat, at a young age, and then traced back to the father. If the parents had known before the baby was born, I'm sure they would have done something about it. I don't think the father had much of a choice to not admit to it.
By the way, I don't know the guy well. The mom is a close friend of a family member.
One of them had sex with someone at any given time, got HPV, gave it to the other, and somebody needs someone to blame for something. IF that is what caused the daughters problems at all. Not to mention HPV would have come up in testing prior to her birth and the situation would have been handled differently than another "normal" birth without any additional risks to the child.
The majority of people have or have had some strain of HPV. Usually the body fights it off itself, and it's never even noticed by the patient. If it does linger, there really is no way, barring having one sexual partner your entire life, to know where it came from. Especially since men cannot be tested as women are to begin with.
This is a bit fear mongery for my taste, doesn't feel realistic given my more than lay-knowledge on it, and certainly is not something you could ever pin on a single encounter with a provider giving a BJ. From what you've posted, it seems that this family doesn't handle things in a healthy way, and that is far more of a problem than an uncovered BJ.
Annnnnd the simultaneous law and MD degrees while also having cancer just isn't very convincing, to be honest, on the likelihood that this family actually exists either...
child's xxx birthday when he sits down with her and says "Honey, about a year before you were born I had sex with a hooker, I know that the hooker gave me HPV, I know that I gave the HPV to your mom, and now that you are old enough we thought you should know because your mom will be so proud of me for fessing up."
For a 1 year after a HPV diagnosis. Usually it clears up before developing into Cervical cancer if the immune system has not been compromised. There is a link on this page about it clearing up in 1 to 2 years. One way to help the immune system to be strong is to get plenty of rest and eat properly and exercise.
You don't believe if you don't want to. This reason I brought it up is that HPV was brought up in another thread.
At the risk for TMI, both parents are ivy-league educated and the father is a high-powered attorney. The daughter want to law school but I would imagine that it would be rather difficult for someone who have trouble speaking to practice law, thus the career change.
Remember, it was the late 1980's.
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Naturally he would have jumped to a series of self-damning assumptions and confessed and any good lawyer would reveal his hobby to family friends. Anton Scal1a told me a similar story when we met for bagels and lox a few weeks ago.
So I will join you in calling Bullshit on this story. The part about her being "angry" at her father was the part that buried the needle on my bullshit meter. Not that I believed it even before that part of the story, but that was the part that removed all doubt.
Does the OP really believe that after reading thousands of Bullshit stories over many, many years, that we would swallow a crock of shit this totally transparent?
Many of you are missing the point. Although I believe the story is true, you do not have to believe it. Either way, it is anecdotal. However, you should read the attached stories to judge for yourself how much risk you are willing to take.
For example, if a lady offer BBBJ, I will not refuse it. However, if lady does not offer BBBJ, I respect for her for being cautious and not bending to market pressure.
So while you title your Post "A Cautionary Tale." The risk of experiencing that Cautionary tale is low based on the article.
And I quote - "Studies in the U.S. have found that about 7% of people have oral HPV. But only 1% of people have the type of oral HPV that is found in oropharyngeal cancers (HPV type 16). Oral HPV is about three times more common in men than in women."
With all the BBJs being performed in this country that's a low risk rate. With that said, no one ever wants to be THAT DUDE. Your story notwithstanding, and whether it's true or not is moot for me. A BBBJ can be a risk worth taking.
In my BBBJ research it also notes that contraction of diseases via oral sex is low because of saliva and air and there germ thwarting properties.
The primary BBBJ risk per my research has noted is that DEEP THROATING is the hidden, lightly discussed real risk. It's noted that diseases such as Chlamydia have a tendency to sit, incubate in the throat when women suck and swallow cum, if dude has a disease. Hence, when a babe Deep Throats you you're very likely to contract whatever's in her throat. And yes, there is a big difference in risk exposure in one getting deep throat vs a "mouth only" BBBJ.
I never do/allow Deep Throat without a condom
Do you guys remember his news conference at which he said his throat cancer was caused by HPV which he contracted from DATY? Catherine Zeta-Jones filed for divorce shortly thereafter. I guess she didn't have HPV..