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cks175 51 Reviews 172 reads
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Also, in his last post he's claimed that he said he will leave review AFTER he was said to be out on DNS list
Thanks for pointing that out. I saw and was referencing his original post where he said that he called her unprofessional and threatened a bad review BEFORE she put him on the DNS list.
Tell me, is he not entitled to write a ripoff report and complain about his experience?
No. No money exchanged hands. This was a disagreement over scheduling, not payment. His OP here in the forum was the appropriate way to handle the matter.
 So you can't say that it was unprofessional to the booker? So what can you say?
My reference to a “Dale Carnegie” moment wasn’t a caution to say nothing, but more a suggestion to consider how you say it.  Of course the OP has justification to be upset. The question is how best to address it. Confronting an individual can be handled in a variety of ways. One way, “you’re doing x”, is accusatory and puts the recipient on the defensive. An alternative, “X makes me feel like…” centers on the messenger.
Now in the OP’s case, it probably doesn’t matter how he addressed it because he obviously wasn’t intending on giving the Booker a third chance. That’s completely understandable. All I was pointing out was that there were other ways to handle this that wouldn’t have shut down his access to Tessa, who by all other accounts is a very desirable provider.

Junior3183694 reads

I tried to see Tessa a couple of weeks ago and got a confirmed appointment.  After driving 25 miles to seeher the booker told me she decided to take the day off.  Ok….everyone needs a day off.
I booked another appointment the following week and checked with the booker that morning to confirm my appointment and she confirmed.  Later that morning the booker said sorry but she had a two hour appointment and could I come 3 hours later after I originally had booked.
I said NO I had to go to work.  I told her how unprofessional that was especially to have this happen two weeks in a row.  I told her I should leave a bad review.
The booker said ok….you are blocked now and she was putting me on a do not see list.
I think this is terrible service and Tessa ought to get a new booker.
Beware of the booker!!!!

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SinCitySinner164 reads

that you were put on the Do Not See List..

 
God Forbid, you were to forget this incident a year or two from now and call her and book again. LOL.  Some of the best appointments I have ever had in this hobby are the ones I didn't have - in retrospect of course..

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Junior318181 reads

Lol!
You are right!  I just got so ticked off with the booker because I didn’t do anything wrong.
I am approved by several agencies so I am not worried.  She just made me so mad!

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SinCitySinner180 reads

You were just ticked off.. I would be mad as hell.  

 
I wouldn't be surprised if the booker double booked. Lot of them play that game.

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holystonethedeck161 reads

Thanks for the heads up about Tessa. She was on my to do list but not any more.

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impposter180 reads

I'm only here (DC Board) from a link from another board. I don't know how things work in your area or with this agency (BEG), but ...
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The current BEG site has one and only one listing: Tessa. Is that normal? Do they normally have others on their listing?  Or is the BEG agency really just Tessa's personal website?
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Then ... Is this problem really on Tessa or on the booker? Do you think Tessa is complicit or that Tessa even knows what happened?  It sounds to me like the booker really over reacted and could have smoothed things is he or she had a normal personality. Does Tessa deserve to be thrown out with the bath water = booker?
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Just askin' ...

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Thanks for the heads up about Tessa. She was on my to do list but not any more.

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cks175190 reads

Good observation, Imp. But BEG is a new organization here in the Washington DC area. Tessa is the second provider they’ve featured since I became aware of them.

Although it might seem odd to have an org carry only one provider for an extended period of time, it’s not uncommon in this market. Discretestory, one of the agencies with a long history here, typically will only have one girl, and she’ll be here for over three weeks. There was a period where Diva would be with DS for a month, then there would be no provider available for a few weeks, then Diva would come back.

For now, it looks like Brown Eyes Girls (BEG) is operating in a similar mode.

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SinCitySinner278 reads

Related Link: Tessa

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BlueDragonDMV198 reads

just FYI
There is a recent thread in "K-Girl", some hobbyists summarized a few common reasons PO bumps appointments

Related Link: Session canceled one hour before start time

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36363jensen165 reads

was that someone booked a longer session and they asked if the first guy could reschedule to what was available that day.

 
I'm rather surprised at that as I've never heard of a K-Agency giving such a reason but perhaps this one is being more transparent about their decisions. Presumably everyone know knows that (in case it was a surprise to anyone) the agency seems more interested in its bottom line than any given customer. But at least if it keeps up with the disclosure and people keep mentioning it we'll have a baseline on frequency of bumps versus other types of cancellations.

 
I'm not sure what to make of the entire story as it almost sounds like they just don't want to see the guy for some reason but didn't want to just tell him to go away. Not sure why that would be given he had a rather nice post about one of the local Thai providers. However, posting under the alias (and let my VIP laps so cannot even search if he has reviews under the alias) and only a month history makes it hard to be confident one knows the whole situation.

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team_rocket_qwerty167 reads

Lol. You can have any story in front of the kgusa crew and they'd be like "uh yeah not sure what to make of this story" and then questioning the reivewers credibility. How typical. And they have the gall to call themselves "objective". It's so hilarious and sad and the same time.  

 

The op has over 50 reviews in nova area over a span of a year under his alias just for his alias, Jensen. I looked it up just for you. I wonder if you look at a girl's credibility with such scrutiny before you trust whatever the fuck she says... that's a rhetorical question btw.

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dcfellow3177 reads

I am sorry to hear about your experience with Tessa, as I had the exact opposite experience.  I booked an appointment, but had an unforeseen delay.  The booker was very accommodating in helping me reschedule, even though this was entirely my fault.  I could not be more pleased with my BEG experience.  (just my two cents)

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Junior318159 reads

As mentioned earlier,  I have given several reviews and almost all very positive.  I have been a respectful reviewer and been leaving reviews for almost 3 years.  I am a respectful person and always been approved to see a provider when I have asked.  Tessa’s booker approved me quickly but turned on me on a dime when I told her NO I couldn’t do 3 hours later and told her how unprofessional that was.  After that she said well I am blocking you now.  Then I said well I’m going to leave a bad review which I didn’t only for Tessa’s sake.  She then said I’m putting you on a DO Not See list for other providers. I wanted to tell her I could shut her down in a matter of 5 minutes but I decided it wasn’t worth it and just put my phone down. It just wasn’t worth it.  Guess she was having a bad day but I didn’t deserve to be treated like that.  Guess I will never be seeing Tessa!  It’s ok!

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36363jensen170 reads

you cannot write a review if the session never occurred. Well, I guess not given you say only for Tessa's sake you haven't. Or perhaps you're talking about reviews on another site.

 
I'd also note that nothing in that situations, including being banned, justifies the threat you made -- which clearly is a threat to tell LE about their operations. That is just wrong.

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team_rocket_qwerty165 reads

Come the hell on. The guy said he wanted to make such a statement but didn't. He literally didn't make any threats. Jesus Christ, for someone who accuses others of misreading or taking things out of context, how the hell do you miss these?

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Junior318176 reads

Thank you!

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36363jensen170 reads

Yes, my editing of my response was an error. That should have been "that you said you wanted to make".

 
The point still stands, there is no reason to get that worked up about something like this. Fine to be upset and disappointed but to want to say something that can only be taken to mean report them to the police is just a couple of steps too far. Take a breath and count to 10 then decide if it's worth trying to reschedule at a time and day that would work or if it's better just to move on and forget about that particular woman/agency.

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team_rocket_qwerty172 reads

Why are you still focusing on something he did NOT ultimately do OR say - as opposed to the actual situation on hand, which goes against most things you've said before?

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Junior318184 reads

Wow!  If you will read what I said you will see that I said it just wasn’t worth it…and I put my phone down!  
I said what my thoughts were and that is it….wonder what your thoughts would be???
I have moved on and do not plan or try to see Tessa ever again….end of story!

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36363jensen163 reads

Well this kind of sucks, getting bumped after the prior cancel for a day off. Probably not someone, or an agency, I should spend time or money with.

 
What I would NOT have thought was "I can shut you down." Cancellations just don't deserve that level of response -- even if not ultimately acted on. Ultimately your thought was about outing someone for a cancellation. That's something that should never be condoned here. Be upset, sure. Share the experience, sure. Move on, sure.

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Floorhump422169 reads

Well, actually you can. It's the only time you can give the session a Performance score of "1". If money was exchanged, the lowest score you can give is a "2". The OP may also have been referring to submitting the review on USASG, not TER.

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Floorhump422183 reads

Did the booker mention whether the DNS list was just for girls within the agency or for the other K-agencies?

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Junior318168 reads

Thanks for your understanding in this.
She did not say which “do not see” list she was putting me on but did say she did!

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cks175211 reads

After calling the Booker unprofessional AND threatening the provider with a bad review, what kind of response were you expecting. Seems this wasn’t a Dale Carnegie moment for you.

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team_rocket_qwerty218 reads

Lol. So you can't say that it was unprofessional to the booker? So what can you say? Yes sir/no sir? Some apologists kept saying how bad situations should internally be discussed with the booker. Well, how far did that get him? Far up the DNS! The booker does a shitty practice and expects the monger to not be critical?  

 

Further proof that most org brass can't take criticism at all and they resort to bullying mongers. Customers get pissed when they're not treated nicely. Theres no magic exception when it comes to slinging pussy. "UNPROFESSIONAL" is putting it lightly. It's a SHIT practice that will get you fucked over at most establishments that are publicly reviewed. How are you supposed to voice your displeasure then?  

 

Also, in his last post he's claimed that he said he will leave review AFTER he was said to be out on DNS list.  

 
Tell me, is he not entitled to write a ripoff report and complain about his experience? Or is he supposed to follow some code that he should just swallow being fucked over and shut up?

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cks175173 reads

Also, in his last post he's claimed that he said he will leave review AFTER he was said to be out on DNS list
Thanks for pointing that out. I saw and was referencing his original post where he said that he called her unprofessional and threatened a bad review BEFORE she put him on the DNS list.
Tell me, is he not entitled to write a ripoff report and complain about his experience?
No. No money exchanged hands. This was a disagreement over scheduling, not payment. His OP here in the forum was the appropriate way to handle the matter.
 So you can't say that it was unprofessional to the booker? So what can you say?
My reference to a “Dale Carnegie” moment wasn’t a caution to say nothing, but more a suggestion to consider how you say it.  Of course the OP has justification to be upset. The question is how best to address it. Confronting an individual can be handled in a variety of ways. One way, “you’re doing x”, is accusatory and puts the recipient on the defensive. An alternative, “X makes me feel like…” centers on the messenger.
Now in the OP’s case, it probably doesn’t matter how he addressed it because he obviously wasn’t intending on giving the Booker a third chance. That’s completely understandable. All I was pointing out was that there were other ways to handle this that wouldn’t have shut down his access to Tessa, who by all other accounts is a very desirable provider.

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team_rocket_qwerty157 reads

Thanks for a fairly consistent post. I don't really do the Dale Carnegie stuff, I think he's  a motivational speaker of some sort. Personally (and again, just my opinion) I consider those type of works one of the worst in literature, because they often emphasize assimilation rather than free thinking. I'm more of an Albert Camus guy. And substance is always >>> form

 
 Anyhow. I disagree. A pissed off, emotional customer is quite understandable in all industries. A booker represents the work of an org, and yes its unprofessional to disrespect peoples time That's even mild. I would make sure some fbombs were flying. The bookers just simply don't have a check or balance so they use bullying power immediately. Ah I don't like you, you're banned. That's power abuse.  

 
Also, that's a nice picture of model  
Haneul Kim Hee Jeong, I agree. What does it have to with Tessa again?

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Junior318197 reads

Wow!
Thanks!!!!!

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Kneill185 reads

I've seen Tessa a number of times and it is not her. She is not in the loop. The booker is just a total dumbass that I've had a few issues with. Poor directions on first visit, forgot to inform Tessa of 10:30 AM appointment and on and on. I don't complain but just go with the flow because....... Tessa is absoulutely wonderful, killer little bod and a real pro (don't think otherwise). Another issue is that the booker is unable to explain other than lay it off on her/his boss is the $500/90 minutes vs the  300/60 and 600/120. Another booker layoff is that this boss is apparently the one that does the P411 OK's that I have put three requests in for as well as reminded the booker to remind the "boss". Did I mention that the booker is a total dumbass? Tessa is worth the BS and she especially works for me because she can be depended on to be a regular vs the K- Lady agencies that have the rotations.

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cks175176 reads

Is it Tessa that’s listed on P411, or BEG?

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Kneill175 reads

No, regarding advertising pics but a killer little bod, 0/00.

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36363jensen157 reads

need to use Tessa or BEG not if the pic is her. She's listed under Tessa.

 
But in case I got that wrong, yes those pics are NOT Tessa.

-- Modified on 9/23/2021 10:43:09 AM

Related Link: https://preferred411.com/P356359

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36363jensen177 reads

When they first showed up I stated screening and it didn't go well, eventually told she was off the days I mentioned I would like to schedule something so told them I would get back later. Never did as it wasn't a great experience for me.

 
Good to hear it is more the booker than the actual person you would see so might be worth making the investment in the effort. That said, wonder what might be done to help train the booker for improving the process -- not like they are not the only new agency that seems to have some organizational challenges when it comes to screening or booking. That sounds like it would be something that would help everyone here.

 
Then again, you can lead the horse to water but....

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team_rocket_qwerty181 reads

Why train the booker if there is no check and balance at all ? Booker had all the power so why training? Lol. Just remove customer who gives problems and kick them to the curb. That's the way it works. In order to do that they actually need to fear repercussions for shitty practices.  

 
The customer is under an iron fist of org/booker because he lives in constant fear of being BLd or put on DNS (feels funny to type it out and not refer to namspace resolution). They fuck up, they get punished. Hell even if it's not customers fault they might get punished.

 
Where is the fear vice versa? Where is the check and balance? If a booker fucks up, an org fucks up, a girl fucks up, who is there to check them? Nobody. About the most you can do is a scathing review or forum post, for everyone to hear. And of course if you have people who constantly downplay these posts, what do you have? Bookers who don't need any training, all they know is power trip.
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36363jensen162 reads

LOL.  

 
A guy woke up one morning and thought it would be great to won a boat for such days like some of his coworkers do. Heads down to the marina and is checking out the boat with the sales rep there. They're standing on one of the piers and the guy finally says, "So, just how much does one of these costs?".

 
One of the boat owners is sitting on the deck of his boat and hears the question and gives the guy a look. The guy notices and ask just what that was all about. The response? "If you have to ask the price you cannot afford one."

 
If you have to ask I doubt you can understand. However, seems that Junior gets it so perhaps he could try explaining it. (Hint -- it might help prevent the same blowup with another customer/potential customer that actually still wants to see the lady -- and I'm pretty sure they would be happy with another paying customer. Or just ask Jr. if he would have been happier now if the booker had simply acknowledged they understand that their business decision is not one he is happy about but they are running a business and apologize for the inconvenience and are sorry they could not offer a suitable alternative options. And just let him vent his frustration of the moment rather than taking things personally and then putting him on a DNS list for the place.)

 
I'll also note that you see to think you, from the other side of the country and never having seen or even talked with any of these people, actually know the internal structure of who's who and who answers to whom. I'm pretty sure you're clueless on those facts.

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team_rocket_qwerty179 reads

First of all, my question was more rhetorical than not. If a PO/booker actually values customers, it doesnt matter training or no training... a customer doesnt get put on dns because of being pissed at the fuck up, especially if he is fully justified in being pissed.

 

Booker training doesn't help Jr get back from DNS. Moreover, if Jr didn't post it here, we would never hear this,would we?

The mere fact you're discussing this issue is because Jr documented it here. This is a good thing. Sounds like you agree that was a shitty practice (bump) and a shitty response to being unhappy. Calling out orgs and providers on a public online community forum/board/etc brings attention. It's a good thing that there's raised attention to "untrained" bookers.

 
Hence the impact of other people who have read about this practice and will perhaps avoid the place altogether, is far greater than perhaps retaining one customer.

 
Dont get me wrong, I'm all for "training" bookers. I just think they won't do it because they don't care about customers and are just fine practicing dogshit practices. But public recap can and does make them step back once in a while. Especially if there are no, ahem, captains, around, who downplay these instances by questioning credibility of anyone with grievances. I'll be happy to remind you that your initial response was remarking that the op is an alias and something about his reviews.  

 
Have you yourself considered training as to not to be biased against anyone who brings grievances here ? I think it might be useful.

 
As far as me being on the other side of the country... I wasn't talking about the structure of an org, although in my experience and research they're all roughly the same. I said that no customer has any power to make them feel repercussions aside from a public review or a public post. Whereas, booker has power of putting a customer on a list that extends even beyond their venture. So naturally, there's ridiculous power trips, not to mention many sellers and providers talk shit about mongers and treat them like dispensible atms. It isn't the seller/buyer dynamics of regular businesses. Some orgs/bookers act like they're giving us a huge favor. Um hello? We're buying shit here.

 

Having something from the customer side that makes bookers reconsider dogshit practices will go a long way. And reviews and public posts are really the only tools we have, and we should leverage the hell out of them,calling out dogshit practices. Once both sides have real repercussions to their actions, there will be more equal footing. Right now the footing is not equal at all.

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Junior318174 reads

Thanks!
Makes me feel better that I’m not the only one who has had problems.  I too wish I would have been able to see Tessa but guess I won’t ever get to now.
I think you should tell Tessa about this being you see her a lot.  Tell her to get in touch with me….I would like to see her.

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Kneill176 reads

I have, both always politely and respectfully. Also recognizing via recognizable sincere convo, it is as much an issue for her as it is for us. Why she hasn’t gone Indi I get…but? Mmmm…. Regarding BEG? Haven’t figured that one out yet other than just add’l layer? Btw, I have “accidentally” sent a text within my time and it does not land nearby.

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team_rocket_qwerty197 reads

... and don't complain, the booker will continue to be a dumbass to you, imo.  

He/she sees you as taking everything without complaining, and hence probably will do no attempts  at improving.

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Kneill174 reads

And quite frankly All O Wise One, I don’t give a darn. Lmao at your obvious inexperience regarding this amazing self-regulating, biz. Additionally how naturally how things can work so well w/o governmental regs, control and interference.

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team_rocket_qwerty170 reads

You mean amazing as in when the op got put on dns list? Yeah very amazing.  

 
Don't get what government control, regs or interference have to do with anything here, pretty sure this wasn't a political or eonomical discourse.

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AsianManNOVA211 reads

A lot of mongers need pussy so badly but they can't get it anywhere other than seeing an escort. That's why they will put up with all kinds of crap from the providers/agencies. Mongers shouldn't put up with this crap and we should stick together. The booker was totally unprofessional and she knew it, but she didn't give a flying fuck because she knew there are plenty of mongers lining up to see Tessa.

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AsianManNOVA206 reads

If the agency screws up, they will usually offer a discount. One time, I drove to the hotel but the girl refused to answer the door. I told the agency and they apologized profusely. They told me the girl was in a bad mood because something happened in her family that day. I certainly didn't want to see someone who was in a foul mood so I left. They then offered me a $100 discount so I saw her on another day when she was in a good mood. I had a good time. Another time, the agency made a mistake and double booked. They noticed that when I texted to confirm. They offered me a $50 discount if I rescheduled. Since I was still in my office, I took the offer of course. I worked a few more hours and went to see her in the afternoon. No big deal. I haven't used an agency other than the K-girls for six or seven years now. Looks like the services have really gone downhill.

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team_rocket_qwerty189 reads

I was offered a discount from a korg exactly once, as it was a complete clusterfuck of a situation where there were many reschedules in the course of the day and ended up as a cancel. Even with the discount, the replacement girl was pretty bad and wasn't worth it even if discount was tripled. Looking back, I just shouldn't have taken it and taken the high road. It wasn't even fifty bucks,lol.

 

But to give a discount, orgs/bookers need to first admit they were in fact, at fault. Which a lot of time they can't or don't want to. Theyd rather watch your mouth and hit the "aha" when you go off and then bl you.

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cks175194 reads

This is interesting. You cited several attempts by KOrgs to rectify an unsatisfactory situation. And also mention that service has gone downhill since then. Have you personally experienced an increase in bad customer service experiences since  the days when you were offered comps?

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AsianManNOVA163 reads

I am sorry I didn't make it clear that the agencies that offered me discounts were not KOrgs. Their girls were mostly Caucasians. I never had any problems with KOrgs. I was referring to agencies other than KOrgs based on the posts here.

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