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Re: Umm, You must have completely missed the thread below about client lists being outed.
flopsper 2 Reviews 538 reads
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I've read what people have been saying about client lists being released before in MD busts, the DC Madam case, etc.  Not familiar with the MD case (it appears to be disputed whether client lists were released in that one), but the client list in the DC Madam case was released by Palfrey herself as some sort of threat / attempted plea deal ... LE actually did not want the list released in that case.

Fugly2256 reads

reply to one of the doz and a half existing threads already up. Do not start any new threads. In an effort to clean the boards up and to centralize the topic we will try this for a few days until things settle down. If you start a new post that is not a response to this post or a reply to one of the existing threads I will deny it as there are many active threads.

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no_email1252 reads

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SaveTheDrama576 reads

Get over it guys. Focus on getting some now. Sh#%!

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magic4u1311 reads

This whole Classy/DMV drama is making out for the perfect Life Time mini series,
Anybody know where I can pay the story rights.
LOL! All those people on the "list", I know someone on there knows about marketing, producing.
Opps, I guess that marketing and producing is, how we all got caught up in this mess to begin with.

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steeltipped1179 reads

I hope we can finally get back to whats "REALLY" important now! Gettin some! HAHAHAHA

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no_email657 reads

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Blowtorch3331064 reads

is bad for business, hence the warning!

I think people are putting too much emphasis on the feds not doing anything to Johns because they already got the big fishes. Exposing a client list may not land you in trouble with LE, but it certainly could make home/work life a little thorny LOL!

Like I said, I'm just glad I never used their services.


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magic4u1084 reads

Paying for sex is only a misdemeanor. The police would have to have to prove in court beyond a reasonable doubt, that if a person's name is on that list they actually paid for sex.

The police would either have to witness a deal being made, or a "John" would have to confess, giving the date, time, location, amount paid for, and what sexual acts were done.

If the police were to expose a person's name, without criminal prosecution, before determining there is enough probable cause to file criminal charges, it would be consider defamation of character, and the police could be civilly sue

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saadzah1000 reads

Your analysis is wrong on so many levels. Number 1, the record of phone calls, emails and text is sufficient to connect the dots to you in court if they choose to prosecute. Number 2, like the DC madam case the source of the leak will most likely be the accused and that will happen when they realize that there is no recourse left in a bid to force someone to testify on their behalf like DC Madam.

The only hope is the following: classy had been in operation since 2005/ 6 and had thousands of clients and hundreds of girls working for them. To go after such a large number of people will be time consuming and costly. But if they want to go after a few, it would be a piece of cake.

Posted By: magic4u
Paying for sex is only a misdemeanor. The police would have to have to prove in court beyond a reasonable doubt, that if a person's name is on that list they actually paid for sex.
The police would either have to witness a deal being made, or a "John" would have to confess, giving the date, time, location, amount paid for, and what sexual acts were done.

If the police were to expose a person's name, without criminal prosecution, before determining there is enough probable cause to file criminal charges, it would be consider defamation of character, and the police could be civilly sue

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magic4u809 reads

Yeah they could do what you said. But as I said before paying an escort for sex, in Virginia, DC, and Maryland is only a misdemeanor.

You have a phone record, with a number on it. But can the police legally prove the owner of that number made all those calls, and texting. Can the police legally prove he had sex with that particular escort, if no one was there in the room to see it? No

The police would have to go through a lengthy, investigation just to legally prove a person on that list committed a crime. a person on that list could have been

1. calling & waisting CDE time
2. setting up appointment(s) and not showing up
3. Going to the appointment and changing your mind
4. Setting up an appointment for one of your boys.
5. Someone else used your phone to make those calls.
6. Wanted a young lady to hang with, and had no sex.
7. Wanted a fully body massage.

Do you really think a the police can find enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to arrest a "john" on that list, a commissioner that will set charges, a prosecutor will present the charges to the court, and a judge will carry out a guilty verdict all for simple pay for sex "misdemeanor"? With those 7 arguments, probably more then that a simple minded defense attorney can present

Oh where did the misdemeanor actually take place, DC, VA, or MD? and in what county? Which police department, and what state attorney will handle this case? All for a misdemeanor?

Yeah right

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MD.PD1613 reads


Like what the guy above said, you are mistaken on so many levels and sound like you don't really know what you're talking about.

Read the thread on this page that starts with the subject line "Lets settle this once and for all.".

There were many instances where client lists were outed.

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flopsper539 reads

I've read what people have been saying about client lists being released before in MD busts, the DC Madam case, etc.  Not familiar with the MD case (it appears to be disputed whether client lists were released in that one), but the client list in the DC Madam case was released by Palfrey herself as some sort of threat / attempted plea deal ... LE actually did not want the list released in that case.

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justmyperception988 reads

I don't see how magic's analysis is wrong on so many levels.  His analysis is just an analysis, it's not a matter of fact thing.  He brings up a good point, so what if they do get their hands on a list of numbers with names attached to them?  What if some of those numbers don't even belong to the person anymore, how far are they possibly going to dig for each individual person.  What if some of the numbers on there were called by someone who had a different perception on what this agency really does?  What if some of the clients used this agency for actual companionship with one of the ladies with nothing more involved?  Do you see where I'm getting at here?  They can put up a list of names or give you a call all they want; but the truth is they have bigger fish to fry, and they have no proof of what happened between you and one of the ladies.  Now unless you're a bit absent minded and decided to discuss specifics over an email, to which they replied, which led to an appointment, that's a different story, they might dig for that.  Just remember, law enforcement agencies have to be constitutional, they cannot bring you into a court of law or prosecute you just because your phone number ended up on a escort company's phone book.

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PrincessPuss498 reads

exactly what would they want/demand from you that is of any use to them?

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conspiracytheories578 reads

it could range from get me a donut every day on the way to work :-) to come to court under protection and spill your guts... or I will put your name in a list that gets published..

and if you guys out there think they worry about you suing them, they will bend you over and have that donuts on your ass while doing you doggie style..:-)

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STPhomer1125 reads

Just kidding.  Good call Fugly

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DCpolitico1502 reads

Quite a few highly regarded regulars seem to have toned down/stopped ad postings or gone UTR; at least one I know of is only seeing established prior clients.

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NeverPoliticallyCorrect541 reads

You are so right. Alot of us know these boards are used for information by LE. They are on a roll right now and we are staying UTR for our own good. If you don't have references and aren't a known hobbyist you are going to have a hard time seeing an established top end provider right now.

Posted By: DCpolitico
Quite a few highly regarded regulars seem to have toned down/stopped ad postings or gone UTR; at least one I know of is only seeing established prior clients.

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Staciespecial14u1201 reads

I haven't been contacted by LE...hopefully they wont go after the clients, and escorts. I left when I got the warning from another girl.

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Depressed_Cock927 reads

That's good news that you haven't been contacted yet. Stay safe sweetheart...

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conspiracytheories1272 reads

I don't see agency girls and I have avoided all the ladies who ask everything on screening including your age, home number, work number.. at times it feels like I am applying for a mortgage ;-)  all that risk for what? for getting a nut?

it was in the recent news and I quote ..

"..Prospective clients were asked to send a message from a work email account to show they weren't police officers and women were told to use fake names in online ads..."

so in this case, those who felt for this stupid way of verification, who do you think has your work email address? I will not be surprised if your email domain is a sensitive one you get calls or get published

A lawyer friend of mine said ..its the oldest profession in the world, you got to do the old fashion way.. meaning no electronics trace .. just talk on the phone..

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Notawk835 reads

Nature abhors a vacuum...we live in/around a city that has a large demand for beauty (money and power)...I for one am curious as to what will pop up to replace the void after the dust settles.  Indies will to an extent, but dont me naive to think they alone will fill the demand.

We might look back on this in 6 months and be happy.  Classy was awful, and DMV stood for "doctor my visage" half the time.

In the meantime, if you can afford this hobby, you probably have disposable income.  If you also have disposable time, my suggestion is get your needs filled up in Canada for a few months.  $120 round trip to Buffalo on SW, rent a car and drive 45 mins over the border to Niagara Falls (Canadian side, obviously).  $45 for a cheap hotel ($90 for a nice one) and two agencies stocked with ladies...and its all LEGAL there.  Oh yeah, agency rates there are $190 per hour.  I will be making one or two multi-day trips there in the next few months until this all passes.

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