If anything at all makes you uncomfortable click the next provider down. There are SO many choices! This is supposed to make you all warm and fuzzy.
Eden
Hate to air our dirty laundry, but when providing three recent refs and they still want to know your race, nationality, and a picture of your drivers license is downright ridiculous. Let’s see:
1) asking race so they can continue some kind of discriminatory policy
And
2) asking for picture of an ID is just foolish and any guy that agrees to this doesn’t value their privacy and discretion.
Just needed to vent!
If you don't like the way someone screens, move on to someone else 😚
Hope it works out for you.
XOXO
TL
Well that's a given, and doesn't really add much to the topic at hand, but ok.
The topic is, you venting about someones screening requirements. Well, let it drive you crazy then. I was just trying to be helpful.
XOXO
TL
It just plain ridiculous to give out your personal infomation. A lot people in the Washington area have top security clearance or in the process of getting it. This will jeopardize your situation maintaining or getting clear. Once your info is out in he public. Kiss your job or family life good-bye. My motto is trust no one with your personal infomation. It would be nice to have everyone on the same page and see how fast their policy will change. I asked one agency to verified me thru my contacts. Email came back wanted my full name on my driver's license, address, etc. I just deleted the email and wrote it off just plain silly. But, I see reviews on providers from this agency, which I would like to know their reasons giving out their personal info to them. Or, are they presenting fake id's once upon the premises. That's only reason I would understand.
There are so many things wrong with this practice, especially in this area where everyone SHOULD have a heightened sense of awareness about their private info Any man that provides photos of his ID to an agency or provider is a man of questionable judgement and good sense.
Not to mention that agencies do get raided, and when they do it's a guarantee that any info on clients is the first thing to be turned over. And agencies that are high volume, low prices and are bringing in providers from out of the country are not exactly low on the list for getting busted.
A lot of people in the Washington Area have clearances. NOT JUST CLIENTS BUT PROVIDERS AS WELL!!!! and providers need to watch their backs too.
Many with family in the military, government employees and countless associations that requires different levels of clearances, many work for the state and are public servants too. This subject has been brought up numerous times, yet still many clients keep whining like little girls about this over and over again.
Obviously they are not dying to get your money, because they are declining you, and obviously there's numerous clients that like that type of screening because these providers still in business.
There's some people that have a problem for every solution.
Let me help you: Go to BP find yourself a low dollar girl that doesn't screen. Easy peace!
Hey hey watch your mouth. Bp girls screen too. Why trash someone else just for where they choose to advertise? I care about my safety just as much as the next person.
Eden
your rates are different, by reading your reviews its easy to tell you do you diligent screening. Many girls that charge $80 on bp don't know about TER, don't know about reviews, many don't even know they have reviews, don't care, don't screen as providers in TER & p411 would do.
That is what I meant. Chill!
I like names because if someone hurts me, I want to be able to tell the police exactly who they are. Not, “well they’ve seen this and that lady.” That does nothing. Also, I know several providers who ALSO have security clearances and lives outside of the hobby. Everybody could have something to lose, but safety for everyone is key. Just my 2 cent 
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Many upper end providers are going to require this stuff. You could be LE for all they know. There are other options, but it's mostly BP girls who take it on faith....and then they're so paranoid the whole time, the encounter sucks. I understand your desire to remain incognito, but you need to look at it from both ends. And I use Nicesense...never had a problem. I guess it all depends on how badly you want to meet a provider. Yeah, I'm single, and don't have a job requiring security clearance, so I've got less to risk than some. But I prefer to say that I understand why they ask.
Because LEO would have multiple references and a verifiable TER account with reviews spanning years?
There is reasonable screening (e.g. reference checks, P411, TER, etc), and then there is just being stupid and careless (e.g. sending pictures of your ID, and discriminating on race and/or nationality).
Even if someone like yourself who thinks you have a low risk to loss may want to recheck that. If an agency dealing in out of country providers gets busted for that one real serious offense involving moving live bodies across boarders, and the alphabet boys want to make an example out of this raid, then they find a treasure trove of digital evidence such as a picture of your ID, then you let me know how much you don't have to lose then...
I said I understand your reasons. I get theirs also. But LE definitely can fake references, and uncle Sam certainly has the funds to set up P411, and TER accounts. I really don't have an answer for either side. But I know the screening topic is probably the most brought up here.
-the alphabet letters guys do have the funds and they have done it in the past.
-C'mon, it's not a secret between providers in this board that they know who are the LEO posing as clients posting ISO's
-Many providers also have confidential, secret, top secret (TS), and SCI. (you really think all providers here are drug users, single moms, poor? there's horny providers in here too honey that LOVEEEEE money!
-If the "high profile" client really worry about it; they would not see escorts period because it would show in their polygraph! DUH!!
-If you don't like the way some people screen, find someone else or you keep winning bc your little manhood got hurt?
Having references isnt just good enough. They have to be verifiable references. Girls with many reviews. Ter members must be whitelisted by (again) well known providers.
So just cause you send a girl or agency references or ter handle doesn't mean you will get an appointment. It has to check out.
If you fail to have this info and still want an appointment, you will have to jump through hoops.
I ask for race, not to discriminate, more so that id like to know as much about you as possible before we meet. I don't discriminate against any race.
That's reasonable and I can respect asking just for general informational purposes
I represent an Asian provider that doesn't see Asian gentlemen in her home state due to it being a tight knit community. I don't know anything about Nicesense but perhaps if they are representing ladies that are Asian or Hispanic they are doing the same thing?
This. Also, some ladies prefer certain types of men so they can also enjoy the meeting. Nothing wrong with that. Again, all personal preference and it's their choice.
providers don't like to see certain groups for their privacy. Asians mot likely would not see other Asians because the community is tight, same as Peruvians, Colombians, Puerto Ricans, etc.
It is not because they are racist, is because they don't want to get recognize by "their own people" and be outed.
In the instance where it’s avoiding recognition in a tight knit community, I guess refusing to date an entire class of men could be justified on the basis of privacy. The problem arises when it is advertised and practiced just the same way discrimination is. It seems BP and CL consider racial exclusions discriminatory because they have on occasion taken down those kinds of ads after flagging.
I know you mean AA clients, but not all providers have issue with AA. In fact; if you check their p411's there's a new option on each providers profile that allow them tho "check in" the "all races welcome" anndddd yes, many racist providers out there, but then again, if you like Asian ladies you will see Asian escorts, If you like red head you will find them too right?, so why a provider would be forced to meet someone that they are not attracted to?
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There is a greater likelihood of a disrespectful experience for providers with AA clients. AA clients as a group need to behave better. As far as Asians and Latinos. I probably wouldn't group them together.
I think it's good that 411 allows providers to check boxes based off of racial preference. Some girls have had bad experiences with a certain groups and others have preferred preferences. Racial selection is justified and warranted. I'm all for providers picking and a choosing their clients based off of a race.
I don't discriminate against race and like to have some sort of idea of who is walking in the door before they arrive, but obviously I will say I am far more picky with people of Middle Eastern, South Asain, or Indian descent. It's not that they aren't nice people, it's just different hygiene practices and diet. Something about the smell of curry just turns my stomach so I'd rather know in advance so I can be blunt and ask, than end up spilling my lunch shortly after you enter the door.
No racial discrimination here! We are very open!
I don't even ask race. Its irrelevant. Yes i have had bad experiences with ALL races. An asshole is an asshole. But i didn't stop seeing the white clients after my bad experience, and the majority of my share of bad experiences have been with white men.
It comes down to personal preference.. or their bfs personal preference in some cases honestly.
Ask her for a picture of her ID in return. I've done this before and when the lady refuses I usually tell her I am cancelling my request to see her since she wants information from me that she is unwilling to provide about herself. Hey, if it's good for the goose, then it should be good for the gander. Just sayin. At the end of the day, she may feel safer but I either lined the pockets of someone else or saved my money for another day. And I didn't give out my personal information. Either way, I win, she loses. She may think that she "dodged a bullet" but I feel the same way about having someone from here knowing my real information.
The looser one ,that u talking about might be no one want to see on that time . Btw she not looser at least she's got ur money , so I don't think u win man ! U lost🤔😄
Let's me tell u sometimes, alls quality lady provide their best service ,. They never call or text u 1st to come spend time with them. If u not comfortable with verify please do not contact them , they have the right to ask u information because * U* want to meet them., Do not complains be nice and be gentleman please .
Think about this , If u have someone knock ur door ask for take a bath and take a rest in ur house, Do u will open the door if u don't know him !
** Don't be stupid with it 🤗 may be the easy one that u take will put the gun on ur head😥
Everything's have the reason to do., pick it up or leave it , is ur choice Do not be a J**k 😊 ! No one push u to Do it., so
Whatever u said now , Money not our goal . SAFTY WITH NICELY, BE GENTLE GOOD SERVICE BEST Feeling WILL COME TRUE.
Keep ur money for yourself, if u don't like our way , Dont try please !
Elizabeth Moore 🤗
It's a joke. Women in the sex business would never give out there real name. Stage name as strippers or doing porn. It is a reason behind that logic. A legit man who looking for fun should not be put in this kind of situation. Really. If I was a thug and want some snatch, I used a fake id. They are Limiting their clientele. Why would any man take that chance? If young, you are not thinking later down the road, the future, when you decide to get a job that requires a background check for a good paying job, and that job culture would frown upon anyone paying for sex, or you are single later decided to get marry, found out the agency or provider was busted. Taking that chance giving out your personal info to anyone, Don't do it, my brothers. Just ain't worth the headache later in life when only job you can get is working at McDonald's. That provider won't care about you well being. I promise you that.
There are always going to be those with who you disagree. You are not going to change them or their policy. They're entitled to run their business as they see fit. Now, what you can control is your own response. Why get so worked up over this. I'm sure there are plenty of gals in the DC area who have more liberal screening. Just shake your head and move on. It's not worth having a coronary over. 
I think you are missing the point, and the "well go elsewhere" isn't really adding to the discussion. Of course the next course of action is to the move on to the next, but that's not what the discussion is about. The discussion is about ridiculous, unsafe, and unnecessary screening and why someone in their right mind would be willing to share picture IDs or why an agency thinks that is an appropriate screening method when references and such have been around for years and work just fine.
Change doesn't happen by just ignoring things. Illuminating a problem and starting a discussion can, though. If we aren't here to discuss happenings in the hobby, then why have a message board at all? Conversely, if someone's contribution to a conversation is a moot point, or stating the obvious, then what's the point in even saying it?
Additionally, you say "they aren't going to change their policy." Maybe so. But I witnessed right here on TER discussions that lead to changes, apologies, or outright shutdowns of agencies once the noise level of the complaints became loud enough. So do not discount the power of customers voicing their displeasure with a business and what that can lead to.
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...without naming names. Also, it's my opinion that what you're describing is a small minority and not worth stressing over. I'll vote with my decision not to frequent them and not worry about those that do. That's their choice, not mine. 
Can you please tell me who is the girl in this picture???
Then don't do it! Don't give out yuur person info. What do you really want everyone here to do for you? Some will, some won't. Ok... Do you really think you're going to start a p4p revolution with screening requirements when each and every one, agency OR independent, run their businesses how THEY see fit??
Look, I get your frustration! I get frustrated when it's a guy that I would really like to meet! Sometimes you just know, hey, this is gonna be so much fun 😀 but one or the other doesn't meet screening requirements lol trust me, you guys screen us too in different ways... reviews, post, pics, etc...
I'm definitely not showing my Id lol but most of my regular guys know my real name. We are close friends n I trust them over the years to come fuck me, soooo..
I'm thinking there is nothing I can say to you that would make you feel better than... go find another hot woman that you CAN pass her screening and have fun! 😜🙄😏😚💃🕺
XOXO
TL
> The discussion is about ridiculous, unsafe, and unnecessary screening
You don't have the right to tell anyone (and in this case a woman) who they can or cannot see. You're coming across as a dictator or a something. You are not the boss of any of these ladies. They are running their own business and can do so with any standard they please.
You want to change THEIR screening policy? You have no control over that. They are selling their time and bodies. So, they can do whatever they want. If their screening is to tight they'll lose customers. That's on them. Reading all your posts it seems as if you want to regulate how ladies screen their clients. Sorry, but I don't agree with that whatsoever. These ladies can screen however they want whether it increases or decreases their bottom line. At the end of the day it's their private business. I own several businesses. No one is going to tell me how to operate my businesses.
Seems you're hung over the one lady, and I bet I know who it is (PM me and I'll guess), but move on. It's her loss - right? Also, all complaining in the world isn't going to change a lady's screen process. Mainly because you seem to think you're 100% in the right and this lady has NO RIGHT to screen the way she wants to. In that regard you are wrong. You don't own anyone.
I kind of get the “you’re just beating your head against the wall” point of the post you were responding to, but agree it’s anybody’s right to vent about it.
In this day and age, when it is so easy to create a fake persona or alias, it makes sense that a counter action would result. In the case of NS and other providers, that happens to be a valid ID.
The OP characterized it as unreasonable screening, which is his opinion. The fact is that it’s stricter screening. I do not see in this situation where complaints of non-customers are going to impact the decision of an agency who has found a secure, verified pool of customers who were able to overcome any initial objections they may have had to the screening requirements.
Come here to vent? Fine. But rather than dwell on it in hope of changing it, the more obvious and rewarding activity is to focus on dating providers who don’t require IDs.
See this all the time. He just needed to vent because who he had the hots for suddenly became out of reach, so close, but so far away.....
Can’t blame him for being so disappointed he had to let go here. He knows the drill. Just wasn’t lucky this time. He knows some ask for more details than others and when they ask to much you move on.
Whoever it was he wanted to see had to be super hot to get worked up and post a vent like this. I’m guessing he’s over it by how, what do you think?
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What good does this bitching do? This topic has been brought up a million times. Get over it. What's the point of complaining about one's business practice and how they go about screening clients? It is such a simple answer, yet you come here to whine like a teenage girl. That's the beauty of choice. If you don't like it, take your business somewhere else. You're probably the type to make a big scene if you don't get what you want and how you want it. Entitled little bitch thinking that just because you pay, you should get serviced hand and foot and that money supercedes someone's principals. And no, they don't always ask your ethnicity to racially profile you. You're clearly one that's full of assumptions and if people don't see things in your light, they're wrong. Grow the fuck up. That's life. If you don't feel comfortable giving personal info then guess what, you don't have to! Surprise surprise! Wow! Choices.
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Go to love trolls who hide behind their devices with fake names, bashing those who try to educate hobbyists that the practice isn't right. All hobbyists should have a throw away cell phone and never bring it home if in a relationship as well an email that is cryptic, pay cash when seeing a provider and never give out your real name out.
Lol and your name is revealing about who you are? Your name is an alias too, lol. You aren't very bright. Tell us how his whiny post is educational and helpful? Bringing up a topic that has been discussed to whits end. How has this been any help except to complain. If their requirement is that you show your id, then you have a simple choice to show it or decline their services. If they decide to continue their business practice then that is their prerogative. They're not here to make everyone happy. Plenty of agencies require 1st time visitors to show id, not email or text a copy, but show it. There are plenty of long standing, established agencies that continue this business practice and thrive. They decline new clientelle because they have such a broad, loyal client base. Great news is that when you decide to open your own agency, you don't need to require new clients to show their id! What a novelty...having a choice.
I rest my case. You are a troll.
no wonder why you have so many issues with agencies and even independent. LOL!
Another troll. Got to love them hiding behind their device and saying stupid stuff like that. Wake up. I love to eat a troll like you. Bring it on.
That's all he can think up lol. Like I said, a simpleton that needs affirmation. An adult knows how to have a conversation with someone that has strong, differing views...not just continually reply, "troll" lol. What are you, 13 years old?
You are a punk. Ooh. I am soooooo scare of you
You mean scared? You need to go back to grammar school lol. Your sentences are at the level of a 7th grader. No wonder nobody listens to you. None of your posts show proper english lmfao. Must suck being illiterate. No, it wasn't just this post. Seriously, you're 13, right?
You're scared of educated, open minded people that don't side based on whining. You, as you continually show, are a follower that can't think for themselves. You are a follower...that's so sad lol. Good one! I'm a punk. Great retort, you imbecile. Lmfao. I gave more insight to this thread than you have in your entire hobby lol.
You are a prime example of being a troll. A bully.get off the board a$$hole. Do you understand this. Punk
Hello. Post up a picture of your driver's license and a photo of yourself. Otherwise, your username is just an alias.
OP, I get it. I've had it happen to me. Sign-up for P411. If they have in their profile "All Ethnicities Welcome" you're good to go. You will avoid the aggravation. I know I'm going to get flamed for "going along to get along", but this is supposed to be fun. Now that you're all worked up, you're going to walk in to your next session with that anger. I feel for the poor girl who is trying to make you happy. You'll then give her a shit review, and its not going to be her fault.
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Lol under this alias, none. That doesn't mean anything. You have a whopping 8? I guarantee that i have at way more than you do and know a lot more about the industry from the inside than you could ever dream of. My original handle dates back over 8 years...equal to your total reviews lol. You're very much a simpleton and only see what's on the surface, huh? There are many more established reviewers on here that don't review every lady they see. Try to understand context, not just the written words. I love how you could not respond to any of my points and just try a feeble attempt at insulting me lmfao. Weak...and uninformative. You can't have a 2 sided conversation? Can only see things from your viewpoint and if others don't agree, you get upset? Lol
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Go dig a hole troll. I need not to prove anything to you. You are not helping anybody, but just being a dick.
No, you idiot. Not being a dick, just saying what most informed, open minded, self thinking individuals are thinking about whiners. Every agency/indy has their choice of how they want to screen clients. It really is simple if you don't agree. I know that you're a whiner that's self centered and insecure. Lol. With every post, you prove my point. You can't even put together an educated, well supported response lmfao. Sad that you can't even recognize that.
The number of reviews a user has reflects nothing. I've been here since 2012. I only decided to start writing reviews recently. Personal decision. Attempting to assume you know someone based on the number of reviews they have is silly.
Not the point that I was driving at. The fact these bullies hide behind their devices and berate people. But, i totally agree with you. I have been hobbling for a long time. To give out your personal information is putting yourself at risk & messing up your life. That is point of this thread. All the other BS does not make sense. Imagine a provider comes up missing and you were the last person seeing that provider at one of those fake modeling agency. Law enforcement knocking at that agency door and want answers. Do you think that pimp will not give your info out to LE. Imagine that you are at home with your love ones, wife and kids, at the diner table when LE knocks on your door because now you are a person of interest. Explain that to your family and to your boss at work. It will end badly for you no provide or pimp will care about your well being. This is the essence of this thread.
He has a right to draw his line in the sand...as does anyone. I'm not gonna lie... when I initially went through verification with them, my ass puckered when they asked for it. And maybe I am a simple fuck for doing it, but all I knew was I had to see that girl! Willy won the conflict...
Since, I've gone through different screening methods, and as I've played more...its made it a little easier to get in some places. For some providers, I may not make the cut, when it comes to verification. But they ask for what they feel is necessary for them to feel safe. And I'm sure enough guys are willing to give them what they want, because they seem to be doing just fine. In a perfect world....you could be Dick, and she could be Jane, and never know a damn thing else about one another except for any hidden tattoos.
But...shit ain't like that.
We are trusting you with our bodies among other things. Also would hate to get busted and then say to myself, damn if I had only asked for more information. I know I see many gents with too security clearance. I delete ALL info after I get it and see it. I am protecting my hide AND YOURS in doing so.
Nice try but simple bullshit. Wait, did anyone buy it? 
For guys, giving personal info (if you are otherwise able to be verified thru references or P411) is simply not necessary to play with the very best.
I avoid all ladies who ask for it and have no issues whatsoever.
Guys, don't be chumps.
It protects him by letting him see a reputable provider and not eating busted , or ripped off. Then I delete his info. DUH
Simple nonsense.
He can do all that and NOT provide his personal info. MOST of ladies don't require it, see them.
With all the outings reported here, anyone taking the chance is stupid.
You MAY delete it but how can we know for sure? Only a dumbass would take that chance.
It’s all chance. It’s all risk. Stop saying everyone but you is stupid. You could get caught in a sting. You could have been recorded on camera as you came in. Heaven forbid you could suffer a health emergency requiring a 911 call after all the stressful fucking and massive orgasm.
Even after all this you at least leave one piece of personal information, DNA neatly placed in a bag.
And when you say MOST don’t require it, tell me, have you done a survey or poll to prove that, or it’s your experience not everyone’s.
If you don’t need to give up your SSN good for you. But stop being so damn judgmental for those who have no problem doing it. Go on, see those that don’t require it and leave the rest alone.
I think you’ve made your opinion known more than once. If you think repeating it some will come to your sense and not do that, you’re only wasting your energy because it’s not going to change what others require or guys are willing to accept as risk.
And as far as outings, if you cause harm, hurt, steal, or threaten a lady, you will be outed, rightfully so, regardless of how much you think you’ve hidden anonymously, there always enough information to cover it.
So please, go your way, let them go there way. Just saying.....
I will make my point as often as I see fit you little panty sniffer.
I have had VERY few ladies, and I have seen a LOT, even ask me for the crap chumps like you give up to beg to pay for pussy. Prove otherwise if you can or sit down and shut the fuck up.
The guys outed here did NONE of the things you mention, so, yet again you are full of shit.
Bother someone else.
Fool.
Lmfao. Everyone thinks imanidiot is an idiot lolol. Still so clueless.
I miss you spanking me, thought you didn’t love me anymore 😂
Lmfao. Wow u r a psycho stalker. U literally replied right away. You really have no life but to hawkeye these boards lol. Must really suck being you. You spend way too much time here....and the fact that i havent been on in a while and you reply right away is frightening. See, Im not the only one that thinks that you're a total loser/idiot. Believe me, MANY of us are laughing at you, not with you. Still aren't grammatically correct, are you? Lol
Stalker? I’m not the one following you lover boy. If sniffing my ass is ur thing then keep sniffing.
(i am mostly addressing statement 1)
personally i like to be somewhat aware and ready for who's walking in to my lair. so I always ask for a lil more about yourself (ie: age, height, weight, etc.) and usually, y'all tell me race and ethnicity without me asking.
besides being useful for security reasons, the requested info is also useful in other ways. for example... if you're 5'7" i might not want to wear stripper heels, but if you're 6'1", i probably should so you can hear some of the dirty things that escape my mouth... LOL
if you're 20-something- i like to know, if you're 40-something, i like to know, etc, etc, etc,
besides, why would anyone want to see someone who wasn't into to them. especially if it was because of their race, nationality or age.
although, it's good that they are thorough with their screening.
but hey, that's just me and my 2 cents.
PS: i get your vent though
The debate seems to be split between two camps:
1) Men that have some kind of dignity and self respect to find it appalling to jeopardize their entire life and livelihood for some ass, and that realize that the consumer is key to any business.
2) Men that are at best naive and at worst just stupid and think that these agencies aren't storing their info, or that they have no need to be concerned with what a shady agency is doing with their name, address, work location and contact info, and whatever else info they deem "necessary." These men do all of their thinking with their smaller member, apparently. Because their thinking is not exactly logical, it reasons that every response falls along the lines on "so what, move on, it's their choice" -- all of which aren't really debate points but rather convenient fallbacks for them.
To each his own. There was a bust of a very similar agency in the past few months. All of these guys that are damn near giving up social security numbers for screening info, I can't wait to see how it plays out for you in the future. Life choices, gentlemen. And with that, carry on.
That's uncalled for...I didn't start calling you names. I respected your right of choice, and you have basically cast a blanket statement calling me or anyone who succumbs to this type screening as stupid. Okay then....
I'm not letting myself get drug any further in to this dumb shit. I made a choice...right or wrong, it's done. Can't change it now.
Lmfao. Is life and everything about it black and white to you? Wow, you're very closed minded. There are shades of gray everywhere. I bet you believe people should be republican or democrat. How does one agree with every viewpoint of one side or the other? You clearly didn't soak in what other providers and hobbyists opined on. Seems you have an inferiority complex, which explains why you continually post about people falling into one camp or the other and if they don't fall into your camp, they're wrong...sad to live life with blinders on.
There's clearly a lot that you don't understand about how good agencies work and the layers involved to protects themselves AND their clients.
lmao, that made my day. "Protect clients" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Ok bud, keep thinking agencies and providers are your "friend" and need to keep a copy of your ID for your "protection."
Black and white, republican democrat...are you on drugs ? Closed minded = having common sense? I'm sorry, are you trying to make some kind of coherent statement? If so, find a way to get your point across without sounding like an angsty teenager. I can tell analytical, deep thought is not your forte. Thus, I won't torture you anymore. Have a nice day, pal
You're dumber than your initial post indicates. You don't understand context that isn't in your viewpoint eh? Lol. You see only 2 sides: yours and everyone else that doesn't agree with you. Well at least you have ONE person that agrees with you lol. Actually, I do put together well constructed, thought out replies that aren't ego centric viewpoints the way you do. You clearly know nothing about the behind the scenes actions of agencies; you make assumptions and portray them as facts. You ever seen the workings of an agency or indy? Didn't think so. I love know it alls that know nothing. How is it that you have common sense? Anyone with common sense knows that people run their businesses differently lol. You think cuz they don't screen the way YOU feel that they're wrong??? Lmfao. Simple supply and demand, dummy! Guess what? These businesses have been around for years with their screening and they're doing great! You clearly lack any sense.
Move along then.
Her body, her rights
She can ask what she wants, you can move on if thou want
I see gentlemen period, open to race or age
Hate to air our dirty laundry, but when providing three recent refs and they still want to know your race, nationality, and a picture of your drivers license is downright ridiculous. Let’s see:
1) asking race so they can continue some kind of discriminatory policy
And
2) asking for picture of an ID is just foolish and any guy that agrees to this doesn’t value their privacy and discretion.
Just needed to vent!
If you’re saying it’s their choice to be exclusionary, discriminating and racist, you’re right.
Yes, we know racism exists in all aspects of society. But this is 2018. Don’t expect to include racial limits in your advertising, or racist practices in your screening, and then act surprised when you get called out for it.
No one alive in America is unaware of how sensitive the issue of race is. Everyone knows how it could make someone feel to be questioned about his ethnicity in the course of doing business. And everyone knows why.
It irks me to see other providers make poor business/imaging decisions, and then hide behind freedom of choice when they're criticized for it. I would certainly never defend another escort that does this. Yes, you're well within your right to make whatever crappy decision you'd like, but people are well within their right to judge you as insensitive or oblivious when those decisions are that.
All that in mind, Nicesense is a trashy organization, so that kind of tactlessness is to be expected.
Spot on. The convenient non-sequitur of "it's their choice" is just bullshit to mask the real issue. Everything is a choice. To commit murder is a choice, but that doesn't mean it's ok. When called out for their "choice" they immediately divert attention to something that's not even within the topic of discussion - choice - rather than actually think the issue through.
Have see independents as well (even on 411) asking for Race info when their own website does not mention any race requirements.
If one has a race requirement then be nice to be upfront about it rather than waiting to ask for this. Sure seems like a double standard. Just the act of asking this question makes one seem biased in my opinion but others might disagree.
There are plenty of girls who mention race preference and I think that is better than asking w/o specifying anything.
Did the OP initially provide all the information they requested on their website (see below)? I submitted the information and was accepted. I was not asked for a driver's license.
If OP doesn't want to provide driver's license, that I understand. That is his choice. But, if they requested it, and he doesn't give it, that doesn't make the conclusion correct. I will say there have been recent events that may have changed their policies.
There are several agencies and independents who require driver's license or ID. I do not do business with them. I also recommend that people do not give up their personal identification. Regardless of what agencies or independents say, about not keeping info, they have to keep the information for future screening and recordkeeping.
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Lately I have experienced absolutely ridiculous screening requirements from "assistants" that simply want to justify their service and be relevant. I have over 15 reviews from top independent providers and 9 white list referrals from top providers. I keep getting..we need references in the past 6 months. I dont hobby that often due to work and busy schedule. The entire premise of TER and P411 is to be recognized as a reputable safe provider and hobbyist.
In the end the providers suffer not making as much $ and the hobbyist is discouraged from seeing a provider.
Every reply is all about safety, thats BS when every review and white list referral is 100 positive over a 5 year period.
Its simply a person trying to get a cut of the $ for being and "assistant"
I find that certain parts of the country have more strict and higher standards. The Washington, DC area being one of the areas that have the highest security concerns. Once a hobbyist is a known quantity in the various hobbying circles, the easier it can get to be verified.
I've found certain areas of the country ridiculously easy, where its almost non-existent. Its refreshing and lifts a weight off your shoulders that you didn't know was there. Other parts of the country are like, 'you fucking kidding me?" You want the names of my children, social security, blood sample - and then you freaking cancel on me after all that? Yes, I'm venting.
I've found central California fairly easily and parts of the South. Chicago is easier if you find the right girl and her friends are in the same circle. I dated a girl once, and e-mailed another the next day who pretty much had no screening and ok'd me. I asked during our date about that, and she said, "oh you saw my friend last night and she said you were great". LOL
Always treat people nicely, it can pay off in ways you never expected. Remember these girls aren't always firewalled between each other and talk a lot.
Lately I have experienced absolutely ridiculous screening requirements from "assistants" that simply want to justify their service and be relevant. I have over 15 reviews from top independent providers and 9 white list referrals from top providers. I keep getting..we need references in the past 6 months. I dont hobby that often due to work and busy schedule. The entire premise of TER and P411 is to be recognized as a reputable safe provider and hobbyist.
In the end the providers suffer not making as much $ and the hobbyist is discouraged from seeing a provider.
Every reply is all about safety, thats BS when every review and white list referral is 100 positive over a 5 year period.
Its simply a person trying to get a cut of the $ for being and "assistant"
If an assistant could waive the ID requirement, and get paid for booking, they would. You’re theory is interesting, but I don’t think it follows to a logical conclusion.
I can understand the perspective of a provider using ID for screening. Meeting a hobbyist who refuses to provide ID increases the likelihood of an unpleasant or unsafe date. If you’re a high quality, low volume provider, what’s the benefit of risking stranger danger?
But whatever the reason for the ID requirement might be, the bottom line is that if you don’t like the ID requirement, focus your shopping on non-ID providers and agencies.
Showing an ID to the provider upon meeting to prove a person is who they claim is important. I never said it wasnt. Especially with no/limited reviews. But for a hobbyist with a many positive reviews and white list referrals its there is no reason to require a ton of personal info such as copy of an ID.
The irony is the providers rarely hear about all this BS. I highly doubt the majority of assistant are doing that service as a primary source of income vs providers are. That being said Ive seen way more scrutiny and BS from assistants than directly from nationally top ranked providers. If an assistant loses a booking its what.....15-25% of the provider fee? If the provider loses the booking an doesnt know about it they lose a lot more $. Again Im speaking about well reviewed hobbyists with white list referrals.
everyone needs to be careful, not just clients but providers and their assistants. We have repeated over and over again. If the screening methods bother you, search for providers that don't ask for. We are NOT going to change our screening methods because there's whining clients out there. Trust us when we tell you that we DO HAVE A GOOD CLIENT BASE that is willing to provide the information we required and they like it like that. Ya'll sound like a broken record.
Spoken like a true -7 looks -7 performance assistant/provider lol
You know the little boys in school who picked on you were the ones who had crushes...
OMG thank you so much for your guidance you must be a 9/9 $700+ provider what were we dumb Johns thinking of
If anything at all makes you uncomfortable click the next provider down. There are SO many choices! This is supposed to make you all warm and fuzzy.
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Great advice from a top provider LOL
That feels like a dig at me. Do I have to be a perfect 10 to have an opinion? I’m trying to help you out here.
I screen to the provider's standards, not my own, and they have access to every message I send so they can see what I am doing. Perhaps some of the ladies that require PII in order to meet hire assistants so they don't have to deal with the men giving them shit for asking for what makes them feel safe. I currently work with a couple ladies that require PII and I get cussed out and harassed every day when I point out what's written on their sites about ID. I just don't understand it, why yell at someone? Just move on to someone that doesn't require it. These ladies understand that their requirements mean they'll make less money and they're okay with that because it's what makes them feel more safe.
BTW, there are a lot of men who have written reviews and have whitelists that have behaved very poorly with other ladies. I had one when I was still working that recorded me with a camera pen, turns out he had done it with several other ladies as well. It was after that incident that I started asking for PII. It's my opinion that clients are less likely to behave badly knowing that we know who they are.
Based upon my experience, most of the screening done on hobbyist is to weed out LE. That's the biggest fear for providers and assistance. As far as safety, they have this covered. Almost every time I entered the room, the provider is texting someone for their safety. Therefore, I am not buying it that giving out my personal information is for their safety. I had one incident where the provider wanted my Ter handle. I gave it to her, & she texted me back & said she could not find anything on it & asked if it was OK to show my license. I agreed. I thought, show it for a few seconds like a bouncer at a night club. I entered the room. Lay down the donation. And, ready to get down for businees. She said that she wanted to see my license. I pulled it out of my pocket and gave it to her. She looked at and started to study it asking questions. I felt very uncomfortable and told her to give it back, it is me. She obliged. My mind was racing million miles a minute thinking what if I knocked up this gal and nine months later she hunting me down wanting something. Point is that it is not the gal I wanted an intimated relationship, but to just have fun with, and just leave. That is what hobbying is all about, paying theses providers to leave after the service is performed. Not to worry about knowing who I am, where I live. I pretty sure that she would not being giving up this information to me if asked.
Now, the point is that this thread is not going to change any policy. I understand that. But, I want my fellow hobbyist to be aware and learn for our experiences that giving up personal information is not in your best interest. I understand being a man, and the little head rules the body and mind, and just surrender into your instinct & do it. But, just know the consequences of your action, esp, being young. And, you got your whole life ahead of you. Use a throw away phone ( don't take it home if in a relationship), en-cryptic email( I have an email, but it is not encryptic knowing that it could be read and traced by IP address. Pay in cash. Not full prove, but make 'Em work for it. If Most hobbyist stick together and not condone this unsafed, unwarranted practice, maybe the assistance and provider get the message. And, lastly, these alias names on the board. I really do not give much credence to them because I do not know if they are providers, madams or pimps hiding behind them.
why not just being faithful and stick with your wife? She already has all your info buahahaha
Not married or in a committed relationship. But to my fellow hobbyest, if so, be aware that if your partner wanting a separation, with a good lawyer, she will subpoena your Internet searches, phone records, etc. And, it will not look good for you.
In Virginia, infidelity doesn't matter anymore. Doesn't matter if you've been having an affair. As far as seeing prostitutes, that I don't know if it matters. It may pay a part in how much the spouse gets based on if it was significant enough to put the family in debt.
Make em work for it??? Knocking someone up???Dear God, no wonder ladies ask for real life info. Thanks for your post!! 🤔
I also guess I should expect every single one of you to go book an appointment with each and every lady that you communicate with or else I'm gonna think you're racist. 😂
Funny part is, I see all races and don't require RL info lol!!!! I definitely understand why ladies do require these screening requirements but a lot of you guys on this thread sounds like butt hurt little boys that can't simply just move on to someone else. There is no shortage of men out there that completely follow a lady's screening requirements and don't mind doing so. Im sure some of you will repeat what you've already said over n over.Y'all keep chasing y'alls tails over all this though. Has it helped yet or changed one damned thing? Goid luck with all that 😚 😋😀
im just here to read the comments...
but terrilynn is right, yall actin like little boys right now smh. if you desperately want to see a provider and she requires RL info, you gotta do it..if not move on. chill, u guys catching too many feelings right now
All of you defending giving up your ID's, work info, home address, and face photos to shady ass agencies like Nicesense....need I say more? Their site doesn't even have HTTPS for gods sake; they don't care about your privacy online, so you can imagine what kind of "security" they have in place for your private info.
But I am just the vocal minority over here, don't mind me. By the end of the year there will be a few casualties to the new law, and any poor schmuck that is law enough hanging fruit - complete with records photo IDs- for the alphabet boys after they make an example of an agency or two, just remember that you heard it here first.
Dude... there already are victims. Providers who have lost advertising access to potential clients. Economic damage has already been inflicted.
Rule 206 never protected agencies, providers or hobbyists from getting busted. It protected websites who hosted other people’s content.
So in addition to exposing yourself as a petty ass “told you so” bitch, you also exposed yourself as abjectly naive and ignorant when it comes to the details of this new law.
This guy just has it in for the agency. For anyone to go at it this hard and this long leads me to question his real motives. So he is adamant on not giving up RL info....and damn the rest of the world if they don't adhere to his thought process...
Let me ask ya buddy.... do you get out in the fast lane and drive 55 to make sure no one else speeds?
Using a speed limit metaphor to compare giving out all of your personal info to anonymous criminal syndicates online aka pimps ....ok buddy.
No...I was using it in comparison to your continued beating of your own drum. We all get your opinion on this matter. You keep coming on and beating a dead horse. The comparison is meant to reference your apparent refusal to accept that others will not see things exactly as you do. Just let it go already....
Your info is safe....you opted out. Don't worry about what others do. Worry about things you can control...
I think you’ve got his personality profile nailed down!
I suggest you think it through a bit more if you think the impact won’t harm individuals - providers and guys. But yeah, I’m just naive , good one.
Lmfao. How? How does fosta/sesta harm individuals? You don't even UNDERSTAND what it entails lmfao. They aren't going after individual providers/johns you moron! This fool has clearly taken over the title of biggest tool/fool on the board. Wow...know it all that knows nothing. Lmfao.
Hey, if that helps ease your mind because you were a a fucking idiot that sent a photo ID to an anonymous pimp and know deep down that it is likely to come back and bite you in the ass one day, go for it. It's your life, so whatever lies you have to tell yourself to cover up your fuck ups, tell yourself what you must.
I see a lot of attacks on me personally, and that's fine, but I've yet to see one logical defense of the sharing of detailed personal information in this hobby. What I do see is a lot of naive, ignorant individuals trying to defend their past/current decision to make horrible choices.
But hey, keep living with your head in the sand and circle jerking with other fools on the internet who do all of their thinking with their smaller heads . If it makes you feel better, have a jolly time at it, fellas.
And with that, i'm out.
Given the DOJ hasn’t published implementing rules, and they won’t for months, the fact is we are all relatively naive re impact. The replies to you are more aimed at observations about your personality, which seem to hover somewhere around douchebag.
This thread proves screening works.
And that's fine, it's human nature to resort to ad hominem when one lacks the mental capacity to put together an articulate, concise argument. I hit you with facts, you hit me with playground insults, and that's fine; it explains a lot about the inner workings of a fool like yourself who has no problem with submitting extremely sensitive info to a scummy agency like the one in question.
Continue your circle jerk, boy. And try not to hurt yourself too much when thinking of another asinine reply
Laughing doesn’t hurt. The irony of you complaining that the argument has moved off central point to name calling and ad hominem is quite amusing. Thank you for that.
He says " scummy agency", yet he was all ready to climb aboard if they would have lowered their screening standards to his level...
I did the right thing.... I sent him a message through back channels, to which he never responded. Yet he jumps on here any chance he gets to ressurect this thread and open air flame the agency. He has attacked their screening methods.... when that didn't yield his desired result, he used being asked his race ( something nearly every provider does) as a way to get ppl to climb aboard his sinking ship.
It's become quite apparent that his motives are simply to try and cause PR issues for this agency.
And he's so right in his beliefs.... because look at all the providers (agency affiliated or independent) that have come to take up arms with him in his "crusade".
There is no reasoning or compromise with someone who's true motives lie beneath the surface....
Do tell .
Well, my left foot is a little cold. But I'm not wearing socks.... Lol.
Ok...lets see how long that lasts.
I have to say that, I understand providers doing screenings. I have been asked to submit copy of DL for one or two agencies but I always block out the sensitive info such as DL number and address. That is something I will not joke around with. I have no issue with providers asking race if they still decide to see me after knowing that.
I used to get irked by some providers not seeing AA's but it is a personal preference and after getting to know a few ladies in the business and their experiences, I don't blame them really. Unfortunately, the actions of a few have spoilt it for the many.
There has to be a certain amount of give and take. I try to accommodate providers sense of safety and comfort, while maintaining my comfort level with discretion.
If we can't get to that point, then I simply choose another provider.
why come on here and bitch about it. Just as you have the right to refuse to screen, she has the right to ask for as much screening information as she wants.
plenty of guys provide photos of ID when asked, its not nearly as uncommon as you think.