Be careful out there.

And remember, never talk to cops. If you're under arrest, ask/get your lawyer. If you aren't, don't talk to the cops.

Or is this referring to something else. A lot of news articles about an agency running high end brothels in Boston and DC getting arrested.

yep, same event.

One of their current (rather pre-bust) employees who was here under a different name with a different agency a few months back just reached out to me 2 days ago as she arrived in town to come see her.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qj8kgw/the-pot-brothers-at-law-want-you-to-shut-the-fuck-up-around-cops

Can we get some links to news articles about this?

I don't know that agency

HAHAHAHAAH this is Awesome!!  
Guys needs to understand this!! if they stop you leaving PLEASE Shut the F****** you don't need to tell the what you were doing inside!!!

CNN had decent coverage and an imbedded link to the 66 page affidavit that is an interesting read.

Scary stuff!

asking for a friend

No relation to Moon Palace.

good to know.

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Were these other two agencies involved? Their websites are down.

A few others are down too like BOS - maybe they are just laying low for now?

What are you doing ???
Please edit your post asap

Wondering if the original post got it wrong.  BEG site is still up, SA is down.  
And I know SA is part of a rotation that includes LA and Boston.

here or to a bunch of news stories in a bunch of news outlets.

The careless manner with which they maintained client information is the glaring point in all of this. Why not delete the information once they have been verified and keep a client ID number and a phone number?

Removed descriptions and donations from their website.

Are you making the assumption that the 20 customers interviewed BEFORE the bust were identified via the agency screening data?

DS, BOS, and APC sites are all down and HT showing zero offerings. I’m guessing CP will not replace Purple when she leaves and run silent for a bit too.  AG still running with two, and one of them just started today.

I'm talking post bust.  The 20 guys who snitched after they got confronted, were identified through good ol surveillance.  I'm talking about their customer lists, which have been alleged to have been seized...and potential license information...

Based on my read of the affidavit, the only thing we know the Feds have for sure are booker phone records that could help identify “potentially hundreds” of customers.

While a bit of a side topic, if they were already staking out the locations (or at least some) letting the activities continue for nearly a year after they had deposed suspects that confessed seems a bit problematic. Especially if the claim is going to be there was any coercive human trafficking involved in the charges -- or at at least the public statements about the charges.

As solid as these current charges are (or at least seem to be), there, I don’t think they are too worried about any critics calling the length of time problematic. First, there’s no claim of coercive trafficking in the charges. Second, there’s no telling at what point the brothel surveillance occurred in the investigation.

DS is not down, at least not anymore. Not much there though.

Btw, her photos do not come close to doing her justice - she is DDG, young & firm, and her performance is Off the Charts!  Ive is a definite repeat for me!

It ain't over til it's over.  Investigations are ongoing, but you do you.  

Not sure that VA will be in any different position than MA regarding the customers. Wait to see what interest locals have in pursuing the clients.

I think they are a small operation.  SA and BEG were part of big network, hence why they were busted

Where is the news about SA/LLV getting busted? Was that part of the BA bust someone less mentioned (in the election year thread)?

Fyi - I pmd the person who started that thread - our common friend - and I couldn't get any specifics.  

Ritually slaughter a chicken and find a haruspex to inspect its liver and entrails for clues to your future?

Yeah, it is really too late to be asking that question now. Probably should have been thinking about that when you started playing in the P4P field.

They don't have any evidence that you actually had sex for money unless the girl you met is willing to testify or unless you did something really stupid like text the MMS to say you had a really great time having sex for money. Even if there is security footage of you going into a place and leaving an hour later, that isn't evidence of a crime unless you do something stupid like tell the police you were never there.

There’s not much one can do. At this point, all we know for sure they would have is a list of approved phone numbers.  

Clicked on the BEG website today and it went to a page that said the domain had been seized by 5he police.

Given the extensive discussion in this forum, as well as several others, what inspired you to go. Not that I think it's a real risk but I would better than even odds that your IP is now logged with the FBI or other Federal agencies. Depending on how privacy savvy you are you might also have provide some location information as well. So hope you were at least using a VPN, ideally one that doesn't log and is based outside the USA.

the affidavit had both links literally anyone in the US that read the affidavit could’ve accessed the websites since both that got sites that got seized were linked in the documents

No shit. But why then would anyone here feel the need to go visit the site? Perhaps he didn't know but then that makes reading these forums slightly more valuable to people.

Based on what’s been reported, it seems most of  the clients targeted are in Boston, but the Virginia prosecutor is being pushed to bring charges as well.

Agencies may be looking for a solid basis to take personnel actions and/or revoke security clearances.

It's a semantics game anyways of pay for play.

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people are routinely convicted of crimes based on nothing more than circumstantial evidence.  a smoking gun isn't absolutely necessary.
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if prosecutors have text messages between you and a known prostitution organization arranging an appointment with a specific girl at a specific date/time for a specific donation, judges and juries are allowed to make common sensical inferences.  if you followed up your appointment with a text saying, "she was great," or anything along those lines, that's evidence you followed through with appointment.
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but with that said, i'd be surprised if local prosecutors spend the time and resources to go after these misdemeanor charges.  it's possible, but i doubt it.  also, the statute of limitations for charging solicitation in VA & MA is one year, so they'd only be able to charge clients who patronized the orgs within the last year.  if you haven't used them since 2022, you should be clear.
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the prosecutor whetted the media's appetite by saying the list contains the names of politicians and other public figures.  now media is going to do everything in its power to force the courts to release it.  the list's release would obviously lead to embarrassment and some wrecked marriages, but in this day and age i could also see it leading to people being fired from their jobs.  even if you're not charged, employers won't want to be seen employing a supposed "sex trafficker".
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Elite screening  
They seem to want all your information.  I understand wanting to keep everyone safe. I wouldn’t think potential clients  would want to risk identity fraud  or information being hacked or in wrong hands

Boston’s receiving pressure from both the Feds and the public to release the names of the 28 clients. And the only way to release the names is to press charges, hence the move to prosecute.

Elite does have heavy screening; they want your DL, work ID and alot of PII.  

Not to mention the recent agency take- downs with client info probably ending up in LE hands.

Reports now say these agencies were "honey pot" operations set up to ensnare government officials.  This could all get pretty interesting before it's all over.

Since BEG and BTT clients gave all their personal/work info, I could see blackmail for money; but, blackmail for international espionage is a stretch.  It does make for a sexy tabloid story.  

And now I have seen that people are retweeting this nonsense.

Site has been seized pursuant to a warrant for conspiracy against the US and human trafficking.  Remember, human trafficking of willing participants is still illegal.  FMTY is human trafficking.

Keep in mind that human trafficking of a willing participant is illegal under the same statute.

FYI, a smoking gun is circumstantial evidence.

The mainstream media is currently in the process of trying to conflate Trump's business income with Biden's grifting from foreign entities.  Don't talk to me about "yellow journalism" when it's prevalent in your own back yard.  Furthermore, outlets like TMZ and DM have broken a lot of stories that MSM couldn't or wouldn't investigate.  

What's MSM?

The article has no real facts that supports anything.  It's just an article of suppositions.  Additionally, a regular hobbist that frequents similar establishments KNOW the inconsistancies of the affadivit and that article.  Bottomline, those three idiots got busted because they were sloppy and stupid.  The only motivation for them was financial gain.  Any blackmail of clients would've reduced their client base, which was making them a ton of money.  Makes zero sense.  

Call it what you will and be critical of their particular bent as you like.  Nevertheless, you won't see clips like this in the mainstream media (MSM) because they continually hide things from the general public. (Unless you think the Daily Mail faked this video as well.)

The prosecutors are pushing to get the clients’ names released next week, so that minimizes the odds that this was a honeypot operation.  If it had been, the FBI would have taken over the case and I doubt we would hear anything about it.

I'm not interested in political articles and I'm not really that interested in dailymails credit.

Well, the internet as basis of what information sharing would become.

I think they are trying to squeeze the guys caught at the locations into testifying with threats of local procecution. Which the guys shouldn't do, their names will come out if they testify in open court. And the Feds don't control the local prosecution.  

This isn't finished yet.  At least in Boston.

We'll see. Looks like they're trying to squeeze these guys to testify.

Fox 5 had a quick blurb this morning that the investigation / releasing of the 30+ names was put on hold by the Judge. Still referred to those as “politicians, Military and those holding security clearances

Excellent summary. A more detailed explanation can be found in a similar thread in the Boston forum.

Nobody has any idea what happened inside the apartment, except the John and the Ho.  Releasing a list of names is reckless.  They should be sanctioned.  What's worse is that these prosecutors are not going after the murders, rapist, and real thugs in the name of a headline.  SAD.  Real crime is up, not down.  

releasing the list by itself, without commentary, isn't making any claims about what happened inside the hotel room.  that was my point.  the list itself is merely a factual record.  if the public draws inferences from it, that's their prerogative.
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to be clear, I do NOT want the list released.  i agree that it would terrible, particular as the people involved were no violent offenders.  they were adults engaged in a consensual activity.  i'm just trying to look at this from a purely legal standpoint and play devil's advocate.  i don't see how releasing a fact ("these names appeared on the agency list") is actionable.  i hope i'm wrong.
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I don't think that would fly in the presence of the Constitutional Due Process rule. That would very much be creating the impression of some guilt or misbehavior and if they are not saying these are people of interest then the names should be kept private.

It's vigilante justice.  Except instead of a lynch mob, it's the internet.  A list of names is not fact.  We don't know what was admitted or not..  If a prosecutor releases the names of suspects of your loved one's robbery/rape/murder how is that fact?  These prosecutors that do this to further their personal-political endeavers should be sanctioned.  I suppose it's a way to deflect their inability to prosecute real crime.

Unless I am not recalling correctly, the interviews of the customers was mentioned in the affidavit.

Two things are for sure.  1.  Giving your personal, work, and driver's license information is a mistake; 2.  STFU when being questioned by LEO.  Hard lessons for the 28.  

Which document?  

There’s a long thread in the Boston forum that links to news reports pegging the number at 28.

lol, show me the news report that states, as you stated, "28 individuals were stopped".

Some of my pure speculations:

If you dump the burner, it's not really clear that they have anything.  Even so, the texts don't explicitly indicate money for sex.  The probable cause hearing is just a fishing expedition to boost someone's career.  I guess it's not sexy enough to convict your plain vanilla murderer, carjacker, or rapist.  Media is enabling it.  SAD.

You’re correct. The affidavit refers to approximately 20 interviews and LE is attempting to get charges against 28 individuals. The local news reports don’t say that all 28 came from the group of approximately 20 mentioned in the original affidavit.

I agree what you said. When you look at the cases that the USAO has been working on, countless minors involved real trafficking cases that they repeatedly referred as 'heinous crimes' were not leading into publicized client-centric investigations. Makes it hard to not believe that it's for gaining political/career leverage.  

i think you're misunderstanding constitutional due process.  due process regulates how defendants are charged and tried.  it doesn't regulate the public release of evidence collected in the course of a bona fide investigation.
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in other words, due process doesn't prevent the feds from releasing factual evidence because the public may draw conclusions from those facts.  
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in fact, the opposite it true.  the constitution clearly allows people, and the government, to report facts.  facts can't be suppressed simply because someone might draw an undesirable or even erroneous conclusion.  
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it's called free speech.  of course free speech isn't unlimited, but one of the only ways you could be sued for speech is if the information you provide is factual untrue.  there's no exception that you can be sued for saying something factually accurate simply because people might draw conclusions from those facts.  the government has free speech rights too.

I would say you are confusing free speech rights and government powers. The Constitution protects the people's right to speech and the Constitution defines the powers the people granted to the government.  

NO.  Lesson needs to be learned by all hobbyists.  DO NOT support such agency when they become too big.  And do not support anyone that wants DL.

Given that everyone knows where to find the updates and following it seems more about the spectacle than anything else I agree that the thread should probably be left to recede to the past.

"Last, if we're really going to say that it was the client DB that got these people's names in the hands of LE then is the claim that only 28 people provided that type of screening information? Seems very unlikely. Given the low likelihood that only 28 provided that type of screening information and the potential number of clients, then depending on your assessment of the number of clients in the DB that risk of getting busted from having your contact in the list starts getting pretty low.
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Did you get put in some time out for all the time you've been silent these past few weeks?

I dont see what this has to do with anything, but no I didn't get put on a timeout. I'm a binger by nature.

a question just occurred to me.  the affidavit said LE was staking out the apartment building in Tysons BEG operated out of, and that LE would stop men who were coming out from an appointment.
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that apartment building was used by other agencies as well, not just BEG.  is it possible that LE staking out the building may have inadvertently spotted and confronted clients of other agencies?  which could lead to LE being aware of those other agencies and possibly starting spinoff investigations?
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No one has made the claim "we have nothing to worry about". It's always been pointed out that it creates a risk and each person needs to assess just what that risk is for them and if they can live with/through having the spotlight shining on them.

Polygraph tests are not admissible in regular court, and even in military court one can easily refuse any polygraph testing and it won't impact their case. So let's put this one away, I have no clue why this is being discussed. And it's not very relevant to the topic we're discussing.

What does admissibility in court have to do with anything here?

You mentioned polygraph testing in high security clearance environments. This doesn't actually happen afaik because polygraph technology has less-than-ideal reliability. When something hovers from 60 to 90%, no one can make a conclusion and hence why polygraph tests are largely useless. People with high security clearance lie and get away with it all the time. I have no clue why you brought up polygraph testing at all.  

The polygraphs still exist but are not universal -- even within particular domains (e.g, military at a given access level).

I always wanted to try a polygraph actually. I think I could answer questions with conviction like:

These guys might be able to help with that.

Haha, thanks, Jensen!

For what it's worth you can also find a bunch of YouTube and links to sites claiming to teach you how to pass the tests. Might be interesting to compare those to what you're already thinking would work.

They know ask you if you have had an affair of the heart.  They have been able to catch a lot of hobbyists.  They are in particular looking for married guys who are not loyal to ban them from employment at the 3 letter agencies.  

Polygraph questions have only "yes" or "no" answers.

"I'm saying that because I think she was snitching on the agency rather than clients. The guys that caved when interviewed were the snitches for mongers."

Among the emails seized when the websites were taken down by law enforcement in January 2016 were hundreds of pieces of identification submitted with the customers’ first request for a “date.” These included photographs of employee badges from Microsoft, Amazon and Boeing, as well as LinkedIn accounts, business letterheads, passports and even family photos.

So what is the big insight for everyone here that has not been the case before? Something new from the big west coast bust of the League? Something new from one of the smaller busts for various agencies?

Ive said many times what has changed, and specifically what changed for me.  

Nothing new about your point one. That has been has both been known and discussed for years here.  

Point one was talked for years? Weird, in all the threads on people concerned with their pii, I haven't seen it mentioned often, if it all, on the DC forum.  

I read the indictment, and no where did it say they accessed PII when they busted the agencies. They did say that mongers provided PII to get screened, but what they didn’t say was that any PII was collected by law enforcement.

You are correct that 28 are suspects, and the affidavit says only around 20 were in interviewed (physical surveillance). Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that the other 8 were identified through phone records. That doesn’t mean that law enforcement matched those phone numbers with suspects through any info (driver’s licenses, LinkedIn pages, etc) the agency held. Law enforcement could have gotten names from the phone numbers via the phone company (other investigative methods).

The general view I take from years of comments here regarding the status of PII given during screening is that those believing it will be deleted are likely in the market for bridges. So, what here would be changing that view?  

How would they have known that a different appt was being used by another agency?  It was like a maze anyway. And to the best of my knowledge all the agencies that were using that apt complex folded up shop.

I was driving to an appointment in that building back in the day and I always thought it was dangerous that there were so many agencies using same spot, same entrance, same broken door, all of which was suspicious.  I drove up one day and there was a marked Fairfax County Police car right by the entrance.  I texted the booker and told them and asked to use the other entrance and they responded "don't worry, cops are chill there".  That is the reason things like this happen, people getting lazy, sloppy, etc.  and yes this does also feed into how much you want to trust your personal info to these types of individuals who claim they are taking care of it properly.  

I have tried to read all this. And I am absolutely in love with Sadie from Elite Models..... however when Elite Models form wants photo ID such as Drivers License... well the post by naps96000... say it all..