I know that a lot of guys say this and I can assume it makes them feel pretty manly in some situations, like around the guys and such, and it helps them justify, in their own minds, seeing a provider and paying for pussy.

If you're an actual gentleman, seeing skilled providers for what, in my opinion, is the RIGHT reason, you're paying a provider for her experience, skill, lack of normal social complications you get when fucking civilian chicks, etc... You're  paying her because she knows how to make you cum with 40 different techniques.  You're paying her because even after your 15th visit to her, she's still finding a way to keep the sex exciting.

I equate this business to a restaurant a lot.  You don't pay your $300 steak house bill at the end of the meal to make the server go away.  You pay that bitch because she just served you the best damn steak you could afford to buy.

That "I pay her to leave" attitude is extremely disrespectful.  

Again, just my little old opinion.

Cheers and Merry Christmas.

Whit

cause he had the greatest rants/interviews outside of sports I heard in a long time, lol #winning!

 
Women can get attached just like women complain about men stalking etc. Real world women may want to cuddle for a long time...and friends with benefits women will not go along with it for a long period of time and will try to move-in and want to hang-out.  

 

Derek Jeter has gift baskets upon exit for the ladies for appreciation, and so they ultimately get out of the house. Some women ain't comfortable taking the walk of shame without compensation so they want to chill in the in the crib and go in the fridge/order food to feel better about the situation...and ultimately not allowing a man to play Madden and whatnot. Hobby girls understand once the PlayStation is turned on it's personal time for the man. Least that's how I see it, haha.

I believe because a transaction takes place, some guys lose sight of the fact that we are still human. That is why I get annoyed at words like "menu," as if I'm a drive thru or something. You are paying for our time, not for the right to lose respect for women...

The source of the comment should tell you that it is not to be taken too seriously....Next thing we know you are taking Barack Hussein Obama too seriously...lol..

For common people like those who hang around these boards, most of us pay hundreds of dollars to get laid. We don't pay no one to go away. They go away because their time is up. Unless you are some rock star, or some pro athlete, where women are literally throwing themselves at your feet, the whole paying to go away is just a wise crack....

I don't like the wording at all.  It, of course, suggests that there are no strings attached, which is fine, but there are much better ways to phrase it.

With almost all the ladies I've seen, if budget were not an issue, I would have paid more for them to stay longer.  Some very much so.

I try to treat all the ladies with total respect and have some good provider friends that I keep in touch with regularly.

pay to leave is in comparison to real world women. Real world women want relationships.

 
how many good looking women in the real world are truly NSA? and the ladies in the hobby let you have other women....how often does it happen in the real world?

women in the real world want relationships for the most part at a certain point. You can't hook-up with the same girl multiple times and keep that type of relationship going. I tried in college and it ain't work then, hahaha...women want more at a certain point.  i'm between 27-32...and you get hit with "i ain't no booty call" in real world. The Hobby allows sexual fun, decent convo, and limited friendship w/o drama while seeing the same woman multiple times if you so desire and everything is good.  

real world women will not keep hooking-up with the same guy for a long period of time without having to do more. And real world women don't take too kindly to you seeing other women as well. Hobby girls don't mind if you see other hobby girls

I don't think the steak analogy quite works.  If I'm sneaking away from my wife during a weight watchers weekend retreat, I'm paying $$$ for a damn good steak and tipping $$ to keep it quiet.

Appreciate the perspective on how its received by the provider, though.  Wouldn't have thought - but I guess thats what makes us guys.

I have used that phrase often, my apologies.


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I agree! That is just some guy with some need to make someone else feel as small as they view themselves.   Trouble is most of the guys who do this are  tremendously immature so there is no way to deal with them other then ask them to leave. But that could pose more drama then just putting up with their ignorance.  Some people just need to go kick rocks with no shoes.

 

....and some girls will literally take your money and just talk with you...and this board will consider that a rip off and tell you to stay away. We all pay for a certain level of service and for how long that service is performed. Noone on this board is paying $300hr just to sit and talk, hahaha. Am i wrong for expecting a BJ and practicing of baby making for $300hr? And i don't advocate treating women like garbage....i treat the ladies like a good friend. But i have expectations at a certain price point and i expect sexual contact for $300hr or a refund.....unless it's a scam and it will be reflected on this board as a rip-off.  

.....But i think i'm reading your statement wrong when it comes to time....so please don't be insulted or anything. I'd love to see ya sometime in the future!

 

 
what do you suggest should be used instead of the term "menu"? I usually say "what do you offer?" in case i somehow forgot what she brings to the table

LOL

Well, hobby girls are better at keeping it quiet.  There have been a few that get kind of attached in a weird way - like thats "my" guy and/or "where have you been?".  Perhaps its just monetary (but in the real world same thing, so who knows).

Interesting discussion.

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It may be selfish, but I don't think guys are trying to make women feel bad.  There is a lot of 'free' stuff out there, but it's never free.  Radio call-in show where they ask a guy to send roses to someone and they often send it to their "free" side benefit girl while wife is on the other line kind of thing.  Not so free anymore

I love the company of women- if I'm paying you to leave, it most likely means that we're incompatible; personally, I have to keep a clock going in my head, so as not to take advantage of a provider's generosity with her time- I think that what most guys are paying for, is a great experience without the complications that can arise from civilian affairs- an emotional attachment and physical chemistry are desirable, but a provider isn't going to blow up your significant other's voicemail and Facebook  

I always interpret "I'm paying you to leave" to "I'm paying for no strings attached." Hobbying is great because of the ease and accessibility. I could have an affair but I don't want the emotional attachment or time requirement that it would entail. I just want some good times with some smokin hot ladies and go on my way when our time is up. In fact, since I always do incall, I'm really paying for myself to leave.  

That being said, that saying is a little disrespectful sounding. Much respect to our gorgeous providers out there. Happy holidays!

doesnt mean I don't respect her or mistreat her.

It's not a real relationship. We are there for the sex which, btw, is not always as good with every provider even though they are pro's.

Some have a different experience. Maybe more real or intimate but the transaction is money for sex. If sex was not involved 90% of an escort's business would be gone.  

She doesnt have to leave after our hour is up but i'm not gonna pay her to stay either.

 

then that would be extremely rude.
But I do understand the phrase.
As others have said, it makes the distinction between civie and provider dates.
And to me, it also is about the guy pumping up his own ego a bit, with the often implied meaning being "hey, I can get civie women as attractive as you, I just don't want the complications."  This can help the male ego, because on the flip side, if we believe that there is no way that women as hot as providers would even give us the time of day in "real" life, that can be a blow.  Got to keep the fantasy alive - think we have a bit more going for us than our pocketbooks, lol (which of course, some of us do, and some of us don't...).

But what might be okay to say on a board is not okay when on a date..., and certainly, "I'm paying you to leave" would be a rude thing to say, comes across as pretty arrogant.

Your view on why the provider is there and how you perceive the session to transpire is what sets the tone for respect vs disrespect, looking for a hole to  fill or just the sex, vs a total experience without strings.

Stating our views kinda puts us in one camp or the other it seems.

Cheers babe.

Whit

I just think that you're either from that school of thought or you're not, and that phrase shows a bit of a lack of respect for the woman you're about to use for sex.  It's just hard to say it without having a hint of being condescending at the very least.

I ordered escorts for myself, and for my ex-husband and myself, for 4 years before I ever became an escort.  I can see both sides.  As an escort, I can see a distinct difference in how guys who think that way treat the providers.  

Truthfully, when a guy requests an appointment, I often search his name on the boards and if it shows up with posts of his that I get the feeling he's the type just looking for another hole to fill or just a wham bam thank you ma'am thing where he's just trying to nut then pay me to leave, I pass.  I purposely look for low key guys who, through a little conversation, I can tell is looking for a fun experience.  Yes, pay us for the no strings ease of setting up an appointment, but respect the woman you're about to be with.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong. I'm just kinda throwing out an opinion of a woman who LOVES this business, loves sex, yet DOES NOT like to feel used. Call me crazy, but I think, and I'd say most of my boys would agree, that it's possible to make it feel like a pretty freakin awesome civvie experience AND still keep that 'ease and convenience of it being a provider' factor.  Isn't that kinda what the perfect GFE is all about? Can't have a great GFE experience with that kind of attitude lol

Sorry about being long winded this time.

I've really enjoyed reading the replies here.  Good points of view.  

Whi

I really like the path this thread took.  I do realize it's not always meant to sound rude, but it's hard to say without being at least a little condescending.  

I guess I just get spoiled by the guys I see. My goal is to make them feel like a millions bucks and forget the world for the hour or 2 and they do that in return for me.  

Cheers babe and have a great holiday

Whit

 

I know you have made guys feel special. Granted, it is extra income and full time income for a lot of ladies....but Some are just hustlers ("can't believe this dude paid me to eat pussy") and are not worthy of $300 plus dollars hr...and consequently must charge less and do less. There is a level of expectation from a a price point that includes a certain level of respect, discretion...but also includes kissing, usually bbbj, and sex. Price indicates certain things....a girl list 75ss/100hh/180hr vs 300hr/400 90min/550 2hr is not indicating the same level of service or accommodations. $300 for a cheap motel, lack of foreplay, lack of convo, 1 position, and 1pop is not acceptable....it's more than time spent IMO.  

 
Granted, i'm not a middle aged dude. This is care-free fun so i don't have to worry about being a baby daddy because the girls ain't just relying on a condom because birth control pills make them fat, hahaha....not a daily commitment, and can be some after work fun....actually less judgmental from a mental perspective....you get decently educated women. Compared to random civies....most providers are better imo. And the civie women that are decent women ain't hooking-up for fun with regularity and are about relationships because they don't want to be like the women with a couple of baby daddys, losing focus on their career etc.  

When some girls have asked why even come here/see me when you could get it for free?....i'm like free ain't always better from my perspective and money will ultimately be spent be it food/drinks/going place or child support, lol. The avoided drama is worth it until i'm ready for a full-fledged relationship...i think it makes me a responsible person.  

 

Merry Christmas

there is no "total experience" for me. if i thought there was it would be different.  

it's not real so i dont pretend it is.  

sets the tone?

you wouldnt be able to tell from my actions during an appointment what my "views" are. i dont walk in and say" here is the envelope. now lay down and let's get this over with"

there is no disrespectful behavior, quite the contrary.

and  i dont even like theYankees