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digdirkler 108 Reviews 860 reads
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So, the primary objections to the Obama Admin stats presented for crime and STD's to date are:

-Per Capita / Disproportionate rates don't matter!
-Inadequate context and precision of the numbers!
-Shut Up!  Bringing up differing percentiles between races is RACIST!!!  

If numbers of disproportionate per capita arrest rates, or per capita hiring rates, or hmmm, even screening by race rates for prostitutes show up, the same people who object prima fascia to Per Capita and Disproportionate statistics will be all over those data screaming RACISM.

If broad numbers about arrest rates in Ferguson are given in a DOJ lawsuit, those same people will not quibble at all about granularity and context of data, will not worry whether this data reflects any real differences in behavior or is consistent with national trends.  Nope, differential numbers arrested by race is all they need to know that Great Injustice has occurred... RACISM!!!

And of course, the numbers noted above, examining stats by race, will not be RACIST!!! because their purpose is to show blacks as oppressed victims owed costly redress, and the society at large, and whites in particular, as oppressors.   Any stats by race that might tend to show something else?  No, those aren't permissible, statistic are damn lies and RACIST!!!

One almost gets the impression that the key issue isn't the accuracy, granularity, context, or sourcing of data, but simply Qui Bono - WHO BENEFITS?  Permissible stats are those that point to desired conclusions benefitting the correct groups, not ones that are truthful.

Ratios, between infection rates (per capita infection)
Ratios for C, G and S as presented directly by CDC, for H and HIV calculated from CDC info

Chlamydia
Black men vs White men: 8 to 1
Black women vs White women: 4.4 to 1
Whites vs Asians: 1.6 to 1
Latinos vs Whites: 2 to 1

Gonorrhea
Blacks vs Whites: 15 to 1
Whites vs Asians : 2 to 1
Latinos vs Whites: 2.2 to 1

Syphilis
Blacks vs Whites: 6 to 1
Whites vs Asians: 1.4 to 1
Latinos vs Whites: 2.3 to 1

Herpes (men lower than women for all races)
Black vs White women: 3.2 to 1  (black women = 50% all black women)

HIV (primarily gay men for all races)
Black vs White: 8.9 to 1
White vs Asian: 1.1 to 1
Latino vs White: 3 to 1

It is actually fascinating that this almost perfectly correlates with the violent crime per capita rate ratios between the races, both in rank ordering and degree.

HidingBehindMyAlias1093 reads

People who are tired of your ratios versus those that still can keep their eyes open:

Blacks who don't care about your ratios vs. Blacks who do care : 1,000,000 to 0
Latinos who don't care about your ratios vs. Latinos who do care : 1,000,000 to 0
Asians who don't care about your ratios vs. Asians who do care : 1,000,000 to 0
Whites who don't care about your ratios vs. Whites who do care : 999,999 to 1 (that being you Digs)

I see that you really enjoy your statistics, but I think the rest of us could use a break from them for at least a week.  Thanks.

One break, coming up Hiding.  
though...nobody is actually obligated to read any of these FACTS or click on the link.
I guess between the nasty calling BP girls out on here, and Holder's bogus use of stats to falsely implicate the Ferguson PD just because they enforce per the FBI's own crime rate averages...

I had some FACTS to get off my chest.

I've been a little tired of all the po-mouthing and mau mauing about bad treatment of poor innocent well behaved blacks and how terribly naughty white America is.  Hell, even Holder's DOJ admitted the whole "Hands up don't shoot!"  is entirely Fabricated... unlike these very real, very consistent statistics.

HidingBehindMyAlias653 reads

After all the racial statistics from the other day, one thing that stood out to me recently is the Sigma Alpha Epsilon college fraternity that has been engaged in negative racially motivated behavior.  I always like to believe the young people are color blind and hopefully one generation will make it stay that way when they get older.  But to see college age kids throwing around racial slurs and what not, it is like we as a society are sliding backwards when it comes to trying to understand each other.   I believe Whites aren't the only ones engaged in this, they're just stupid enough to put it on video.

When it comes to seeing African American providers, I have had a good time with the ones in their twenties, but not so much with the ones older than that.  I hope it is not something racial there, but unfortunately I believe it may be some of that there.  It is like the women are angry about something or I did something they did not like.  I don't know, usually by that time I get the hell out of there.  I do not see AA providers out of their twenties anymore.  In the civie world, forget about it with the AA women.  I accept their preference, but like the dark skinned brothers here with their issues about white women and the No AA, I have to admit it does sting a little.  

So, I just rub some dirt on it and Move On. :-D

For Example; A simple 2 minute google search and one can find the context to the data Dig presents.....FROM THE SAME CDC DATA SOURCE THAT Dig CONVENIENTL LEFT OUT!!  You should be ashamed of your self Dig...ROFLMAO!!!

Chlamydia AND Gonorrhea
"While surveillance data show signs of potential progress in reducing chlamydia and gonorrhea among young people aged 15–24, both the numbers and rates of reported cases of these two diseases continue to be highest in this group compared to other age groups 67% and 56% respectively),"  NOTE: How many 15-24 year olds participate in the hobby.  How many Black males 15-24 have the resources to participate in the hobby?  How many Black males 15-24 even know about and/or give a fuck about the hobby?

Syphilis
"Trend data show that men who have sex with men (MSM)* account for three quarters (75 percent) of all primary and secondary syphilis cases."  NOTE: the trend line for men who have sex with women is well below that of men who have sex with men.  Go see the charts for yourself.  A PIC/chart is worth a thousand words.

HIV
In 2010, white MSM continued to account for the largest number of new HIV infections (11,200), by transmission category, followed closely by black MSM (10,600)2.  NOTE: Remember the predominant group are Gay men regardless of race.  Per volume only, I would summize that providers see more white men than they do black men, hence, there chance of seeing a white male with HIV is greater than seeing a black man with HIV.  Per my OWN experience, I can not count the number of times I've been with a white provider and they inform me that....."you are my first black client, EVER; OR you are only my 2nd black man EVER, OR black men rarely schedule appointments with me, OR I didn't know black men see prostitutes via this forum (TER, over the internet, agencies, etc)

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.htm

Kinda makes me wanna bang you, if even just to spite the OP.

er, I did note specifically about the gay men for HIV, and about women for Herpes

And per the others, its not meant to be an exact indication of the precise infection rate of the black vs white  members of TER boards between the ages of 42-46.  Its a broad comparison.  So, most Chlamydia are for young folks.  OK, that's another risk factor.  Plus most girls use condoms.  

But if you think this doesn't show a broad trend, smoke, and that any conclusions of fire are entirely unjustified... well OK.  I on the other hand would guess that the trends so consistent across different STD's and sexes and hetero vs homo, and even crime rates, would probably hold between the young Chlamydia suffers and others.

HugeRooster838 reads

dless of  age demographics the data reflects statistically and empirically that some races/cultures have a much higher rate of STDs than others

Its simple science and math, not racism

Actually, the only 100%, certain way to avoid an STD is abstinence!  You might even want to be  supicious of what your hand has been doing!!!

I report the facts, you can choose whatever customers you want.

Yes, as I've noted several times, Asians have the lowest average incidence of crime and STD's

Starting to remind me of someone.
Should we be worried??  

:D

adventurer2011770 reads

Anyone could put up some fake data. He did not even cited his sources.  
Therefore I don't find his information credible.  

digdirkler probably is suffering from any of these illnesses he listed and is mad about it. I just hope he does not  
see any of the providers I see or that I am about to see. I don't want to catch anything. LOL

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sigh, at least Tall 69 bothered to google for a half second.  I thought CDC was an adequate source citation in the age of google, guess I didn't account for laziness, see links below. But sure, the data is totally fabricated and I'm full of shit, that must be why the facts it shows are objectionable to you.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats12/minorities.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats13/figures/54.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/statistics_surveillance_raceEthnicity.pd

Lol, why make a sex board so boring and about numbers and again, boring statistics that many don't even make sense.  We know there are risks in this business, that's everyone's personal prerogative. Have fun! Less of these uninteresting statistics and more F@@king! Lol

iHeartMouthHugs721 reads

Latest statistic shows that I love getting mouth hugs 100%, and there's 0% protection against it. I'm afraid my condition is incurable. Doctor said the only thing I can do is keep getting them and hope for the best. Sadly he only gave me days to live. Ladies, only you have the power to save me.

I see no point in allowing Dig to post as he does.  As you note, most, if not all who participate know the risks and our own individual risk tolerances.  Hence, allowing Dig to post his obvious racist amatuer statistical analysis is puzziling.

With that said, we all have the "right" to express our views, as defined by TER in this case, so let him speak as long as I counter his BS.

So, the primary objections to the Obama Admin stats presented for crime and STD's to date are:

-Per Capita / Disproportionate rates don't matter!
-Inadequate context and precision of the numbers!
-Shut Up!  Bringing up differing percentiles between races is RACIST!!!  

If numbers of disproportionate per capita arrest rates, or per capita hiring rates, or hmmm, even screening by race rates for prostitutes show up, the same people who object prima fascia to Per Capita and Disproportionate statistics will be all over those data screaming RACISM.

If broad numbers about arrest rates in Ferguson are given in a DOJ lawsuit, those same people will not quibble at all about granularity and context of data, will not worry whether this data reflects any real differences in behavior or is consistent with national trends.  Nope, differential numbers arrested by race is all they need to know that Great Injustice has occurred... RACISM!!!

And of course, the numbers noted above, examining stats by race, will not be RACIST!!! because their purpose is to show blacks as oppressed victims owed costly redress, and the society at large, and whites in particular, as oppressors.   Any stats by race that might tend to show something else?  No, those aren't permissible, statistic are damn lies and RACIST!!!

One almost gets the impression that the key issue isn't the accuracy, granularity, context, or sourcing of data, but simply Qui Bono - WHO BENEFITS?  Permissible stats are those that point to desired conclusions benefitting the correct groups, not ones that are truthful.

I don't know if you're a racist (though you probably are), but I do know that you're acting like a jerk, and a misinformed one at that.  

Sure, the crime and STD rates you cite, at face, are correct. However, your oversimplification of ratios, without effectively accounting for differences in the size of each subgroup or without accounting for correlated factors (like age and education) is actually just wrong.  

But beyond your B- level of college stats 101, the big issue is that you're pointing out this information for no. clear. reason. It's like you're at a party and maybe someone at the party has a big pimple on their face. The person with the pimple knows it there. Everyone else can see that it's there, but polite people will go about their business without screaming at the top of their lungs, a la Will Farrell "Hey everybody, come see how big this pimple is?" Doing that in polite company is not only needless, but a dick move. And as others have pointed out, everything about this is context. How many people on the bad side of those stats are actually involved in the higher end of this hobby?  Virtually everyone I know who does this has had nothing but a clean bill of health...why? Because they're careful and they know the only way this train keeps going if they only meet with careful people too.  

You're trying to make the case for statistical discrimination screening, which absent any better method, is not the worst thing in the world. But guess what? There is a better method. It's called REFERENCES! Not just okays, but actually asking other providers. Not surprisingly, asking someone who's actually seen you if you are sane, sanitary, and safe is a better method than taking a wild guess on some misapplied statistics.  

And while I'm sure you've already considered it, here's some additional food for thought. Without a doubt, statistically speaking, several of the women you've seen have also seen some "high-risk" men, as you refer to them...or men with enough money to hobby who happen to be black, as everyone else calls them.

1- B- stats: Gee, a little hard to fit an A+ statistical analysis in a blog post.  As I've frequently admitted, sure, a  rough comparison.  But where there's smoke, there's fire.  You are quibbling that I've not shown the perfectly precise odds of fire given x quantity, temperature, fuel conditions etc of smoke.  OK, quibble granted, larger point stands, as you actually grant. Interesting definition of misinformed.

2- Rude and without cause,  pimple on a face, dick move:  there have been multiple self righteous posts on this forum listing out each and every girl who screens by race, complaining how this is very wrong and bad and for no good reason and a girl doesn't even have this right!  Add on the national whining and cop shooting, based on bogus stats, like Ferguson etc, and I pitched in.  Scroll down, you'll find I started this track on the end of one such screed.  

Does everyone see the pimple?  Golly, another earnest voice of authority guy said he reads stats all day professionally and if you eliminate drug crime stats, the per capita ratio black to white would be, he estimated, 1 to 1!  Another guy said Per Capita is a bogus concept, and whites are the most dangerous!   Another said cite the sources, its all just lies!  Seems some have actually believed the false picture the media generally portray.

I say I'm pointing out the concealed oozing pustules on the dick move, jerk guys loud mouthing at the party.

3- Better Methods to Screen: Gee, you are quite right, as I've also said frequently.  Individual data beats group averages every time, most black men aren't robbers, murderser, infected with STD's etc.   BUT, not all girls individually screen.  The BP girls who tend to be poorer and more marginal (judging from prices, website sophistication, hotels used) also relatedly don't screen individually.  These also happen to be the girls who screen by race, and the girls most vulnerable to assault.   As I've also said many times, I'm not telling anyone to screen by race, I'm saying the girls who do are using a rational method to protect themselves (given their market niche).

4- I've seen girls who've seen black guys?  Gosh, really? oh dear, guess I'll have to turn in my Klan and Nazi uniforms and cut off my member.  

5- you may see only the $500 hr elite courtesans on here, and so picture the black guys on here as all like you and in that tier.  There are dudes of all races on this forum who don't fit that frame, and an $80 quick isn't beyond the reach of many a low life.

Finally, a BOGUS statistic! NICE!  Actually "African-Americans comprise the largest racial minority group among serial killers, representing approximately 20 percent of the total. " But they're only 12% of the population.    
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/5-myths-about-serial-killers-and-why-they-persist-excerpt/

WOW, so even among Serial Killers, often thought to be disproportionately white, in fact blacks are over represented.  If whites were the entire other 80% of serial killers, no latinos at all, the Per Capita ratio black to white would still be 1.3 to 1.  BUT NICE TRY!

AsianManNOVA806 reads

We also have the smallest weenies. :) But is there a purpose to your post? You don't need to warn fellow hobbyists as any semi-knowlegeable person should already be familiar with the gist of your post. If you are trying to tell providers how to screen their clients based on your data, then you are only focusing on the kind of providers you see regularly based on your review history: low-end BP girls. In the BP world, maybe there is some truth to your statistics.  But most well-reviewed TER providers already know the facts and will screen based more than just race. You can bet they wil see a respectful, clean, well-behaved AA gentleman who has good references and/or P411 OKs, and reject a redneck racist who is white (not naming names).

Secondly, I don't get why you keep posting this kind of subject on a fuck board like this. I am here to share info with fellow hobbyists on pretty girls to have fun with, not to read your crime and STD statistics. You remind me of another poster who keeps posting on BP busts as if we give a fuck about them. Tell me one TER provider who got busted and I am all ears, but please spare us the low-end BP-related news

Gee, you mean rich black guys with good reviews will get seen by hi end providers?  Gosh.
We have now entered the "everyone knows this anyway" and "its impolite to mention bad behavior by blacks in upper middle class society", and "worries about black behavior are for the riff raff" phase I see.   Anti-racism as a class status marker.  Well, it may simply not be the done thing in polite company, but as responses have shown, many don't actually understand these facts.

To refresh, and to answer your question honestly- Why am I writing about this on a Fuck Blog?.  Life 410 did a post a few days back, on this Fuck Blog, calling out BP providers who screen on race. Then Tall 69, Tidwell, Dcpoorboy all the usual suspects all had a rollicking time stridently denouncing yet another dark example of our society's evil racism, etc etc etc.  I've seen multiple such over time on here.

It really pissed me off.  I'm sick of the mau mauing from the President and Attorney General on down to Life410 talking about poor powerless AAs being persecuted for no reason.   Yes, blacks get treated differently, on average.  They also behave differently, on average, and I'm sick of the whining and blaming others.

Am I trying to tell Tobi and other hi end girls who screen individually who to see? Nope.
Am I saying that a well screened black guy has different risks than any other well screened guy?  Nope.  I believe I've been exhaustively clear on that.

I am saying that the white, and mixed race, and Asian, and Latina girls who operate below Tobi's level, and apperantly are beneath your concern, but are still humans and have a right to guard their safety, are correct to screen by race if they have no other better method, and more broadly to the RACISM!!! whiners... as you told me, Please Go !!!...  

TER girls?  If they are reviewed here, they are TER girls, and they include BP girls, lots of them.  Riff Raff BP news?  Fine, if Life etc shut up, so will I.  You haven't been forced to read any of these BTW

......that I don't give a fuck about a lady not seeing AAs.  As a matter of fact I've been consistent and exhaustively clear in ALLLL my previous post that I welcome the ladies to OPENLY communicate their preferences!!

In addition, I've been exhaustively clear that the hobby world is not the place for Affirmative Action and for any and all who are "offended" by a ladies "preference" to get over it and move on!  So don't put me in that category of those that ".......denouncing yet another dark example of our society's evil racism, etc etc etc....."

No, what I denounce is some lame "statistician" using this forum to make blanket, generalized statements about groups of people cause he does not like fucking behind a black dude.

If you wanna make an impact go make your posts on BP encouraging all the ladies who don't and should not see AAs to put this information prominantly in their advertising.  As you have probably observed from many of the posts on TER, BP is a 2nd at best and for sure a 3rd tier choice of most the "tricks" here.  And agreed, I, as others, are not above a "quickie" that I may find occassionally on BP.  However, overall, my ratio of ladies found on BP versus other sources is very low.  

Bottom line, control your level of "pisstivity."  When you see Life410 make a post that you may not agree with don't commit to making mis-informed and over generalized posts for the next 6 mos on the evils of AAs.

Do like I do when I see an Ad by a lady who does not see AAs; I simply move on!  Get a grip dude!?!?  Go get laid!!!  Please!!!

iHeartMouthHugs855 reads

Being half Asian and having to shower in PE in overseas schools as a kid, I can confirm it.

Thankfully, I'm only Asian from the waist up.

 

 
All jokes aside, I really do agree about the busts and stats being a bummer to the page 9 out of every 10 times.

AMEN!!!  Thank GOD someone had the wisdom and courage to finally speak the truth!!!

We should just pray for a fast death and know that we are the worst race when it comes to everything and even if I believe that I am equal that statiscally I'm not...
Wow..Welcome to The real America even on a board that is suppose to have no boundaries and entertaining once again everyone wants to pull the race card!! Can We get to Fucking and less talking or is everyone looking to belittle AA Women!!

~Nickole

HugeRooster819 reads

Regardless of age, race, income demographics the data reflects statistically and empirically that some races/cultures have a much higher rate of STDs than others
 
Its simple science and math, not racism    

Its the part of the hobby and society no one wants to talk about or own. Not a great topic for this venue but its real. People just need to be educated and cognitive that certain demographics are a higher risk but not any one individual is excluded regardless of race, sexual preference, income, age.

Not everything has to be manipulated in to black/white thing. The chips fall where they fall according to stats from CDC. Choose to ignore it or not, it has nothing to do with racism.    

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