Hey guys! Sorry, trust me, I know the screening process can be daunting. But there is so much client scamming going on right now that girls are on high alert. I have personally experienced fake id's, fake linkedin etc. I just want to know that I'm going to be safe. I recently moved into a space that would allow for an experience not in a hotel. I'm not knocking hotels. I just feel this offers a more laid back atmosphere for realistic gfe, supplies for kinks etc. I was so I can provide a better experience for you.
I just thought of this as a possible solution, OF. The creator account process is a secure site. Check into it. Making content not a requirement, just to use their site as a screening tool. I know if you have an account, OF has your identity if something happens to me. Which is the point. I don't see your info. And you also know they have my info if anything happens to you. Its sort like a screening tool for you too if you think about it. Thoughts?
Lately I have been getting fairly intrusive verification requests (ID, Credit card pic with numbers covered, work website, LinkedIn, business card, etc.) Are folks actually sending this kind of info to providers?
I have been p411 verified for over 10 years. Have tons of OKs and can provide plenty of references but now it seems that is not enough. What is the point of having a verification service if providers are still going to ask for all finds of additional verification?
I understand that providers need to be safe but isn't that what p411 is for? Obviously no providers are sending their private info to someone they don't know so why should clients do the same if they have a verification service?
It's just been very frustrating lately as it seems the number and quality of ladies out there has gone down and the ones left are asking for insane verification requirements.
There’s wife’s logging into p411 acts and outing providers on Twitter, incall locations, etc.
Also LE has profiles infiltrated.
Also guys share p411 accounts, so we don’t know who we actually meeting.
A woman in DC was assaulted just last week.
So yes, screening is a must, p411 is only a place to hold your references, but that’s it. Not just for OUR safety but also for YOURS.
what if a provider acct is taken by LE and YOU end up in an uncomfortable situation?
I do not exchange any addresses, emails, room numbers, anything… ANYTHING thru 3rd party websites.
My email is only for my eyes, unlike some website that was sold and we don’t know who’s the owner and who keeps yours (and mine) information.
And you right, many have left… for many reasons. And the ones that stayed and continue to provide services are being more careful with all the incidents that we seen happened….
Veronica 💙
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Eden Model a Private View....They not interested in references or P411, lol. They want that kinda intrusive stuff too.
I'm sure guys that were a patron At Edens before a certain point in time probably didn't get asked for that type of verification...but I was late to party and don't have a LinkedIn anyways.
Private View screening is fairly heavy for new folks to a particular agency. So I'm sure escort agencies and Indy escorts are getting very strict.
Eventually they going to drive people to the B-More area since they openly relaxed going after the hobby during the pandemic and maybe immediate suburbs like B-More county and AA county may follow suit.
As a lady who accepts references and p411 verification With recent okays, my main issue is when men who will only verify via references want a last minute appointment (assuming they aren't on p411).
Sorry guys, last minute appointments are a luxury reserved for men who screen with real world info, as that verification can be done much quicker.
Sometimes ladies take days to respond to references or not at all, you MUST plan ahead for this type of verification.
So plan ahead or suck it up and verify with real world info.
If someone wants a last minute appointment with an independent, asking them for more information, especially real world info, is not unreasonable at all.
Personally, I don't even like to bother any independents for last minute info unless it's someone I have a friendly relationship and occasionally talk outside of meeting for sessions. Over last 20 yrs there have been a handful of those - not very many at all. For last minute I like to go the Agency route. Usually my appointments with independents are booked weeks in advance.
and a very equitable approach.
Kudos to you!
There is a horrific story about a young woman murdered in Wall street NYC and had her body dumped in NJ in a barrel. Reading those stories gives me chills and justifies screening information.
I saw that post. happened few days ago. ):
Yeah but she apparently had all kinds of issues with drugs, etc. The person of interest in her murder is a known gang member who met her when she got out of a cab at the Wall Street location and it looks like they knew each other. The investigation is ongoing but I'd be willing to bet it wasn't a client.
She had no visible signs of injury on her body. The suspicion here is that she was doing drugs with her gangster pal and OD'd. Instead of calling 911, he disposed of her corpse.
That seems like a likely scenario. It'll probably take a few weeks to get the toxicology test results and by that time who knows if the media will even be interested anymore.
Each provider has to screen in a way that makes her feel comfortable. Period. If you do not want to send the information she requires for her to feel safe to see you, then bow out. It's that simple. Move on to another provider whose screening you accept.
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Hey guys! Sorry, trust me, I know the screening process can be daunting. But there is so much client scamming going on right now that girls are on high alert. I have personally experienced fake id's, fake linkedin etc. I just want to know that I'm going to be safe. I recently moved into a space that would allow for an experience not in a hotel. I'm not knocking hotels. I just feel this offers a more laid back atmosphere for realistic gfe, supplies for kinks etc. I was so I can provide a better experience for you.
I just thought of this as a possible solution, OF. The creator account process is a secure site. Check into it. Making content not a requirement, just to use their site as a screening tool. I know if you have an account, OF has your identity if something happens to me. Which is the point. I don't see your info. And you also know they have my info if anything happens to you. Its sort like a screening tool for you too if you think about it. Thoughts?
I personally dont trust any 3rd party websites for screening. You know how many fake profiles are on p411, linkendln, with fake IDS, fake VOIP numbers, fake references. This idea of using "OF as screening" is a recipe for a disaster... The acct process is NOT a secure site. How we can put our lives, our safety into 3rd party websites that we dont know how they use and process their information? I would not put my life in danger and trust some 3rd party for them to come back and say "yeah hes fine" LOL
They just don't need that much information, when I don't even know their real names. They certainly have every right to ask whatever they want, include fees, credit cards, driver's license ...etc. But, we have every right to move on also. I don't remember this level of ask in the past.
just my two cents
I understand providers want and need to be safe. So do mongers. This is an area where lots of folks work for the feds, hold public office or support those who do, or handle sensitive information requiring some level of security clearance. And, of course, many mongers are married or have SO's.
By giving providers a driver's license, photo, credit card, LinkedIn, employer, etc., mongers are no longer in control of their private information. Providers are hopefully treating that with care. However, what happens if the cops bust a provider? Suddenly they have access to the mongers' private information. As we've seen with too many clients of high-end providers, the cops don't need to bring charges to ruin someone's reputation, career and/or marriage. That's why I never give my private info or photos to a provider. If she wants that, I move on.
Look, there are bad apples out there. I've read too many reports of mongers who've violated providers. That's disgusting. Unfortunately, I've also been robbed by a couple of providers. The hobby is a risky business. Safety is important. So is privacy. Somehow we need to find a balance. That's why I'm grateful for sites like TER. I wish resources like TER existed when I started hobbying in the days before Internet usage became common.
I look forward to the day when consenting adults behavior isn't so risky simply because there's an exchange of money involved. Until then, be careful out there.
Best cautionary post I've read here in a while. A local agency wanted me to post a photo of myself holding up my driver's license when I tried to apply as a new client. My membership with P411 with a few OKs didn't mean a hill of beans. I took a year off the hobby and didn't have recent references. That was enough for the agency to request the mug shot. I moved on to the next provider willing to see me, and she did.
I've seen screening getting tighter for some time now. What always makes me chuckle is the ladies who advertise on P411, but won't take being verified there with several okays as screening. Instead, insisting on LinkedIn, DL, etc. I simply move on. I understand providers believe this is for their safety, it just seems like the mongers safety isn't important. Oh well!
I had a provider with zero reviews and no available history except some stuff on twitter, agree to meet me, so I took a shower and drove over there. When I arrived she suddenly asked me to send her a photo of my ID - which I will not do. When I suggested maybe she tell prospective clients in advance that she will want to see their driver's license, she told me that if she did that, clients would have time to 'fake' the photo of their ID and otherwise send her phony info.
I get that safety is necessary but there has to be some kind of level of minimum trust: Setting up a date to meet me and then, only after I arrive, giving me the hard screening, is not appropriate. After all I don't ask for the entertainer's ID and with zero reviews or any other information on-line, she is more unknown than I am with my years and years of whitelists on TER.
She doesn't use TER so I couldn't send her a DM, but I did text her a screencap of my TER whitelists. She replied that I could share that screencap with all of my 'fuck buddies' and there's no proof the screencap info is about me. True enough.
So I drove home.
The driver's license mug shot. Gotta luv it.
Unfortunately it seems like there are many desperate johns out here that will hold up a mug shot to get verified for small amount of fun. That’s how the agency and providers get away with it. Be smart Andy don’t compromise you privacy for this but up to you
Do you really believe they destroy the information after they meet you? Think McFly.
When I read this I am reminded of those people who think they are constantly being stalked by the government...Your info is not that interesting to us. Majority of the time I ask for those things just to see what their reaction is, because if it is poor that usually is a red flag that this person has something to hide and they are not someone I wish to be around.
I only ask for ID and LinkedIn. I also do take p411 references for those who have a p411, but still require an ID. Personally I just want to see that the prospective client is willing to do these basic tasks in order to feel safer about the situation. If you were a bartender and asked to see an ID and the patron's response was "What for? Why do you need that information?" you would become suspicious wouldn't you? Are the underaged? Are they a felon running from the cops? It's a basic business precaution..
I honestly just want to see if this person is confident enough to provide that info. If they are, my anxiety (especially as a new provider) decreases dramatically. I really don't do full background checks unless it is for an outcall, which I would also accept p411 or TER reviews for as well. Once I receive information, I really just look at it briefly then completely forget about it and focus on getting the appointment set. It's not that deep of an investigation, it's more of a way to see if I can trust you as a client and someone I am allowing to do incredibly personal things with me. If you want your providers to feel safe and comfortable this shouldn't be an issue, since we normally are the ones with a lot more at stake here looking at the all-too-true history of escorts being brutalized and murdered by sociopaths. I wouldn't recommend sending credit card info at all though, that truly sounds like a scam.
XoXo,
Winter Ryleigh
Ok , but what if you get hacked or an ex decides to extract some vengeance from you and your clients and has access to the screening info. Happens more than you think. I had an incident where a providers' bf had access to her phone and all the accompanying screening info. He called me (and probably others) and threatened physical and financial harm. So, when you share all your critical personal info with me I will share it with you. We are not a bunch of paranoid lunatics when we complain about divulging info that once disclosed can cause much grief. Finally, most of the horror stories I hear from providers that have lax screening procedures is not new clients but existing and well-established clients that turn into stalkers. These folks have managed to obtain lots of personal info and become a providers' nightmare.
I just had a very bad experience with a new client last night, as well as my first client ever, so personally in my experience I do find that new clients can push boundaries and put me in bad situations but again I am a NEW provider and definitely am getting limits tested. Not by majority of clients luckily but there were those two and that has been enough to make me take screening processes seriously. Most people I see have been really kind, and some have even sent that screening info within their first message which makes booking much easier on my end. These usually are younger men too, so maybe it is a newer trend?
I'm sorry that happened to you, but I personally do not hang around people in my personal life who behave that way. None of my friends, family, or relations outside of my work are against what I do or unaware of it, or would go as far as to hack into my messages and threaten my clients. It sounds like that provider was not privileged in that manner and I hope they got away from that. My phone and my laptop are constantly password protected and are always on me or at home. But again, I am newer to this world and cannot assume every provider is as lucky as me in that sense.
I have been in adult entertainment longer than being a provider, so I just never really was secretive about what I do. I see this as the same thing I am normally involved in, just without a camera. When we work with other performers we exchange ID's and paperwork, so exchanging such info is very normalized to me.
Thanks for your perspective. Again I'm sorry your privacy was breached in that manner, but it does sound like an abnormal situation and I personally don't believe there is a great likelihood of that happening.
Do you keep the information even after a positive meeting?
After seeing this, I don't think I will.
Be careful out there gentleman one of the reasons I would never give out personal private information with pictures or selfies, license ID passport social links etc etc
Is because lots of this providers will intimidate you blackmail you it’s not right and insane
They but not only independent providers ask for this even agency and that’s worse case, all your personal info is out there easy to get and be harassed blackmailed etc
But how about the girl you meeting we don’t even know their real names and most of them lie about their age as well, and then they show all this professional photoshopped pictures that modifies a lot of the physical body….
One of the reasons I keep going to my regulars and sometimes use them as references when they accept referrals if not then I just move on and not even bother
Have fun & be safe
The only reason providers keep asking for personal information is because some of you keep giving it to them.
If you hold the line and refuse they'll have to adjust. Remember, a lot of these ladies do this in order to pay the bills, so they NEED clients. You on the other hand DON'T NEED to see them in order to pay bills, etc. When their number of bookings decreases because guys refuse to give up personal information, they'll have to adjust or find another way to make money.
Some of the requirements are quite outrageous and borderline security clearance level screening for a job at the CIA. If you hungry hobbyists keep giving in, the next thing they'll want on top of your personal information, picture ID, work information, COVID card, FaceTime interview, etc, etc...is urine, blood and stool samples cleared by a lab, ancestry.com paperwork and a list of your closest relatives who can vouch for your character.
...if P411 references aren't good enough, move on.
Couldn’t have said it better
anytime a provider receives a pre-screening or appointment request, P411 has a disclaimer stating, "We encourage everyone to do as much *additional screening as they feel is necessary*, to keep themselves safe."
Also, if a P411 provider asks to see your ID, it's because P411 encourages us to. They also recommend that we check IDs to ensure the correct person is using the P411 Client ID. Otherwise, it could be a shared or compromised P411 account. Which is why some of us tell you during the booking process that if you are going to use P411, then please be prepared to have your ID checked upon arrival.
Verbatim from P411... "If a client schedules an appointment via P411 and upon arrival refuses to show identification to confirm he is the true account holder, you are encouraged to refuse to see him and report it to P411. We will suspend the account until the client is reverified and the situation is resolved."
Do they not tell you all these things?
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P411 does says that but P411 also tells the guys to cover up the parts of your id that are not part of your P411 identification number. They tell the client to temporarily cover up the unnecessary parts of their identification with tape.
In 15 years as a P411 member I count the providers that asked to see my ID on one hand.
I have never been asked for ID by any P411 provider.
And the independents probably disregard a lot of the info, but don't think for one second agencies like Moon Palace or JJ Clubs don't file your info. Be a gentleman with the ladies, but yes sir, hold that line.
Just applied for screening at elitemodels.es, but they wanted extortion level verification. I'm down to provide a selfie and a pic of my license, but only with most of the PII covered over. They want a selfie holding a piece of paper reading "hello amy" and the day's date, and an ID with nothing covered up, so my DLN home address ect ect.. Thats way too much for me.
I just got screened with them last month, and I didn’t have to provide as much as that.
Having said that, you only have two reviews to your name on this board. Do you have any current references who will vouch for you?
While it sucks that there are two standards for screening, if you have a recent, consistent review history as well as references who can vouch for you, the screening won’t be as intrusive. I provided four references (they only asked for two): three independents (including two Latina providers) and an agency.
well, their contact page asks for a selfish and ID, but yeah I didnt have any usable references (the girl I get massages from wont give references) so they later asked for the selfish with a written hello to amy.
All it takes is a name and DOB to get ALL of the info on your license anyway.
I wouldn’t do the same like yours. ES screened me a couple of years ago through P411 and a selfie.
The new screening is way too much indeed. Good to see you hold your ground.
Just applied for screening at elitemodels.es, but they wanted extortion level verification. I'm down to provide a selfie and a pic of my license, but only with most of the PII covered over. They want a selfie holding a piece of paper reading "hello amy" and the day's date, and an ID with nothing covered up, so my DLN home address ect ect.. Thats way too much for me.
I strongly suggest that you do NOT comply with such requests. They're completely unnecessary and only put you at risk of blackmail.
Agreed. Again, the only reason they keep asking for such things is because guys keep giving it to them. They’re a business, so If they stop making money due to lack of bookings they’ll change their requirements.
Sending a selfie and ID is dangerous as it provides Law Enforcement with a nice mug shot of you should they get busted and their phones get taken as evidence.
That’s definitely true, I I would never do that
They will blackmail you scamm you and plus how about if this agencies or independent providers get hacked with all your personal information
Not only dangerous for us gentleman but dangerous for them because at one point someone will get pissed with their blackmail and all that
It’s why one of the reasons when I see that I’m out I don’t even bother., they ask for ID and selfie plus links to your social accounts
I have read the other day I contacted an agency can’t remember the name I think is xo-club or something and guess what they actually want you to pay them to receive and get your private information, I mean how insane and dumb is that, they’re charging about $40-60 and if you want it expedite the screening they charge even more
I’m just what in the heck is that bs but I guess some people do that kind of dumb things
Agreed. Again, the only reason they keep asking for such things is because guys keep giving it to them. They’re a business, so If they stop making money due to lack of bookings they’ll change their requirements.
Sending a selfie and ID is dangerous as it provides Law Enforcement with a nice mug shot of you should they get busted and their phones get taken as evidence.