Apparently because we have agencies and providers as members of our community, our forum board is way too PC.  We cannot say anything bad about the agencies or providers that post here and if we do most of the time one if not two things happen: other members rush to their aid and/or the post is removed by the mod.  

There is a lot of useful information and commentary that gets left out or deleted because it is not PC to say anything negative about these agencies/providers that are here on this board with us.

If I ran the world this board would be open game on any agency/provider regardless if they post here or not.  There would be no special treatment of said agencies/providers.  Same agencies/providers would have to take it on the chin or choose to not participate.

This is not a democratic, free speech board.  Ideas and comments are highly regulated by the mod and as well as peer pressure.  I often wish that the agencies/providers were allowed to post as they do BUT that we hobbiest could block same agencies from reading our posts (so as to comment freely).  

But I do not run the board and make the rules. Oh well.

I know my post will stay up after its posted..
There is never a letdown..

in mind.

"Free Speech" is not guaranteed on private property.

I understand what you are saying but there does need to be a balancing point....

I for one do not want to drive away provider participation - make providers feel as though it is open season on them. Agencies either.

The review system is the appropriate place for largely unfettered "negative comments" where justified.

So is the Reviewers Only board or back channel convo via PM

Ultimately, TER as a viable entity depends on a steady flow of reviews.

But these local boards would not be worth nearly as much if there were no provider / agency ads.

It's a balance issue.

I think that we have it pretty close to right....

I can't tell you how many times I have read a post or a thread in its early stages and then see it disappear completely, or posts within a thread disappear from the thread.  This board is heavily censored and that is a fact.  Nothing controversial is allowed and that can deny us of useful information.  This board typically leans toward the side of protecting/defending/white-knighting the providers.

I wish the moderator would just come right out and admit this, and admit that yes, everything is heavily regulated....no free speech here and information exchange is also heavily controlled.
Not sure if these policies are set by admin, or it is the moderator's own biases.  Let's see if this post gets pulled.

I realize I am not your type, but lets face it...you are one of the ruder members on this board, very negative unless you are 90 pounds and 20 years old...


you make  statements that frankly, make you look like a jerk...fortunatly you are not our moderater...thank God for RC....

BTW this was intended tiowards db911, not GTM....DB has some issues,,GTM is GREAT!!!

I read your response before i decided to respond and i couldnt have said it any better.
I say this again as this has been repeated numerous times to numerous individuals who bring nothing positive only negative topics to our board.
This is a place to share general discussion topics, ask questions and to overall have fun.  In my opinion that is what i see of it. All the points GTM touched on is where your negative remarks and opinions should be displayed. Not here. You rarely see a lady display such things. We have a provider board, you have a reviewers board. Use it. Or else team up with another like minded individual and swap your negative stories/comments via PM. So tired of the board being eaten up by your BS and negative comments about women. Give it a rest already. Find some happiness in your life.

but i wonder if there should be some sort of clause that if a person who contributes only negativity should be banned???? Rude, demeaning, distasteful, highly prejudice comments such as these shouldnt be allowed. But maybe also if we as a community stop contributing to these threads of garbage, do not comment or read them, then maybe just maybe they'll disappear!!

Peace and Love People!

as always Beefeater. You're always spot on my friend!!

Hear hear!

Maybe, just maybe "other members rush to their aid" because you're out in left field?

If this is so frustrating and PC and crappy, why not try to sell your gold plated BS elsewhere as Beef suggests. See what kind of audience you get.

...with in 30 days, you've had more negative things to say about ladies, and nothing beneficial to share (yes, I did check).I for one, have grown weary of your negativity, and pointless postings.

Silence is part of the spiritual discipline of a votary truth, experience it. Perhaps then you'll learn the economy of words.

I think option 3 is no longer valid. The moderator is getting burned out, lol.

Cannot ban negativity, just best not respond to it...some people get a high from being jerks...imo

I find db's contributions useful. You get a sense of each poster's attitude and style and take it from there.

As for insulting the ladies--it hasn't stopped us from beating down your doors.

Most of the negative comments in this thread are from ladies.
Originally, these boards were supposed to be for the men; ladies were guests.
Now the tides have obviously changed.
Most of the old time [male] posters are long gone.
So this is what we are left with: mostly ladies and WKs in control for the most part. So be it.
Most of the db posts are really harmless and not malicious; many are very helpful.

Just my humble opinions...

db911 provides an invaluable service by pointing out likely B&S ads. How many disappointing encounters has he saved this way? Is this of no value?

I for one am grateful for this service he has provided for no compensation.

It is only natural that a critical temperament undertake that sort of task. It will spill over into posts on other topics as a perceived negativity of tone.

My tastes are different and I will express them differently than db911. But I think his contribution here is on the whole positive, pointing out likely pitfalls to be avoided.

So I disagree with him on the subject of this thread but thank him for actively pointing out the rip offs that are to be avoided who defraud clients and falsely compete with honest providers.

The old timer male posters are still hear. We just sit back, laugh and eat the popcorn when these train wrecks happen.

Db911 is the rudest person I have ever seen on these boards all you do is make rude unnessacary comments on everything that is posted....not coool

So basically if everyone doesn't see it your way, they are wrong.  Who died and made you King of the DC Board?  What makes you so special?

Nobody is telling you who you should or shouldn't see.  No one cares what type of ladies impress or don't impress you.  Why do you give a shit what the rest of us like?  Frankly, it's none of your business.  I am sick of hearing about it.

This is a free speech board with boundaries that are moderated by some pretty great people.  Get over yourself and do what makes you happy.  Leave the rest of us alone.

Thank God you don't run this board.  

PEACE!

I'm with Silence is Golden.

*munch, munch, munch*

I'm just wondering if anyone caught brother Lee's comment "Originally, these boards were supposed to be for the men; ladies were guests."

* munch, munch, munch*

While I have my opinions, I'll keep them to myself, for now.
That would be a moot discussion.

*shaking the bowel*

Can someone get me some more popcorn?

if you factor in that his grade scale is lower (without grade inflation) than most, and his personal preferences are indeed skewed toward younger/thinner types, I frankly find that he is one of the more reliable/credible reviewers.  That mean's when I see a 7 from him, albeit sometimes with some raw criticisms, it means a lot more to me than many 9's in many cases.).  So as a provider, if you're happy with many 9's you get from many others, and then are furious with db911's 7, just know that to some, his 7 is a lot better than the 9s of many others.

-- Modified on 1/22/2010 2:07:05 AM

*shaking the bowel*

That made me sit back and laugh

Why in the world would ANY provider whine about his negative posts? How stupid!
The vast majority of his posts are pointing out scammers and B&S.
For every hobbyist that is saved from a B&S, there is a hobbyist who sees a legit provider because of that. Providers should be thanking him for the advice that he affords everyone, and not calling him out whining about negativity.

Just keep doing what you are doing db911.

First, it is important for everyone to understand what DB911 is leaving out.  His rant is not about his scammer posts being pulled, which only happens when he uses completely inappropriate language or somehow violates other rules (like linking to banned websites).  If it is, this is an entirely useless thread.

No, his rant is about having his derogatory comments pulled from a provider’s ad post.  

For example, DB loves to post on a provider’s ad, comments like “You’re charging $500 for that?  You’re out of your mind!”  Or “ 135 lbs my ass” or other snide remarks like that.

The TER rules clearly state “Posting mean or rude comments in response to a provider's AD is prohibited.”

9 times out of ten, the posts of his that are pulled are commentaries on how that provider does not meet his personal  taste, or offends him in some way, like charging too much (in his mind), or lying about her age, or weight.

DB is free to comment on the agencies or providers, in a thread he starts. Just not on their ads.

The other reason he gets scrutinized a little extra, is that many of the hobbyists on this board revere him as “the king of scammer detectives”, and as such, any small comment can significantly hurt a providers business.  As you can see, I don’t mess with his scammer posts (unless the language gets out of hand), but when he is commenting on providers who are using TER and participating, TER would like some civility, and secondly, when you call them out, some facts.  Not just the typical “BS/SCAM EOM” that we usually get.

The TER guidelines were created by the administration of the site to try to be as fair as possible to all parties, hobbyists and providers alike.  I try to apply those as fairly as I can.

And remember if DB911 ran this board, no provider who was older than 22, weighed more than 105 lbs, and had boobs bigger than a b cup would be allowed to post here either.

at the end - "Most of the db posts are really harmless and not malicious; many are very helpful."

it's the malicious and harmful ones that he is bitching about not being allowed on the board.

and I also notice you said "most of".  Which is true.

the only moderation I do is by applying the TER posting guidelines.  Now, you don;t like those, which you have made abundantly clear on any number of occasions.

And as was pointed out by other posters, this is TER's sandbox.   They make the rules.

Posts get pulled or threads get pulled for lots of reasons - when we find out that the OP was lying, or when a thread is started about a banned/delisted prover or agency, or the thread was started (or some branch thereof) with links to banned websites, or any other rules breakage.

Now, the white knighting of providers, etc.  That is a dynamic that I do nto control.  It's the posters themselves.  Maybe there are more white knights here than you like, but that is life.  

there is a saying "one man's trash is another man's treasure".  It applies here.

As for controversial - well, that is up to the posters.  If it is posted within the rules, and it is not a name calling session, it stays.  Other wise, it goes.  

Just to prove the point, take a look around the boards - follow Fuzzy Phallus' posts, there is plenty controversial there, and they stay up.

You have the audacity to complain about TER's posting policies when YOU have NO REVIEWS!  I Repeat! moethebully has written ZERO REVIEWS!

You and DB911 complain about being moderated.  If it bothers you that much, then leave!  It's pretty simple really.  The majority of us are happy to be here and appreciate everything TER has to offer.  

"Nothing controversial is allowed"  No.  You are mistaken.  Controversial subjects are allowed.  TER does not allow hateful or personal attacks on individuals.  You can attack a subject as much as you want.  

Your argument is weak.  There is a reviewers only board you can become a member of....oh RIGHT!  YOU cannot be a member.  You haven't written any REVIEWS!

After reading all of these posts and collecting my thoughts about them, it appears to me that what the true complaint here is that the board had drastically changed and now there are many white knights inhabiting the board. Please correct me if I am wrong, but that appears to be the true issue of complaint here.

As someone who was once a very big contributor to this board and this community and is now just an occasional contributor to this board, I can tell you that this atmosphere has definitely changed, in some ways for the good and in some ways not. First lets cover the not, a few years ago the board was dominated by a group of guys who all knew each other fairly well, all went to occasional happy hours together, and knew a lot of the providers as people and not just as providers. This group of guys (lets call them the legends) really kept unnecessary white knighting to a minimum, and anyone that was white knighting unnecessarily or for his own benefit was called out on it. These “Legends” have all either moved on for one reason or another or are here in the shadows or are just smaller contributors to the board. The negative side to have the board dominated by the “Legends” is that many new posters were at times intimidated to join discussions, or were intimidated to disagree with one of the Legends.

My point being that there are pluses and minuses to every situation, if you choose to focus on the negatives then you will be a very unhappy person. This board belongs to the TER users (including providers) and is what we make it, within the boundaries setup by TER.

On a side note, I personally miss the ole Legends, but if you watch for them they will occasionally pop in for a Hello. In case you are wondering who I am referring to as the “Legends” here is a poem that was dedicated to them:

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=6&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&Search=vets&SearchType=1&DayFrom=9999&DayTo=0&MessageID=62432&frmSearch=1

You're pretty great yourself

say hello for me to you - know - whos -

Cheers

GTM

And I didn't complain about being moderated.  Please quote me where I complain about being moderated.  You sound pretty hateful towards me, but it's easy to show your true colors behind an alias.
You're a hypocrite....where are YOUR reviews?

As far as your contention that controversy is allowed, here is an example:  a week or two ago, in a response to a post by Ashley, Sophie brought to all our attention that Ashley has been plagiarizing or stealing language from Sophie's own website and ads.  Sophie made it public because she contends that Ashley would not respond to her privately.  That thread got pulled...poof....gone.  There was nothing hateful about that thread, just some good intel for hobbyists.  Sometimes issues need to be taken public for a response.  But as we've seen, TER can stifle that.

If there were no rules, people like you would run amuck attacking many nice ladies and then some.  Either play by the rules or leave.  Or stay and respect TER's posting policies.  

PEACE!

Yes it was pulled. Because ot the "negative comments" clause in the rules.

Now, had Sophies started a new thread warnng all that Ashley had done this, that would have stood. Because, it is important stuff. And everyone wod have a chance to comment, Ashley included, and we could have ended up with an old fashioned train wreck.  But the ad would not have smothered by the train wreck.

Thanks for the explanation.  When my example happened, I just thought "there goes TER again doing something clandestine."  I accept the board for what it is whether I agree with the rules or not....as the mod knows, I've never complained to him about anything.

I just don't understand when somebody questions the character of this board why most people have the attitude of "if you don't like it then leave."  That is such a discriminatory, non-inclusive attitude.  The less people there are, the less information to exchange.  Let's not discourage participation simply because some people are too sensitive.

Sometimes examining the status quo can bring us all back to reality.   A post from db911 is a breath of fresh air from all the ass-kissing that goes on around here.

I cannot agree more strongly.

When I first started on this board, I too succumbed ot the fallacy that it was okay to dehumanize certain personas.  In part I was taking my cue from db911, although he was using another handle at the time.  The mod (the one known at that time as polecat) let me know that I was out of line, and that people were complaining to him about me on backchannel.  I figured out why I was wrong and amended my behavior.

For some reason, some people find that difficult.

Times change and the people change, I also miss the 'ole Legends'. Most are still around, just not posting like before and using alias when they do.

Just see ladies and write reviews!

I agree totally with Tex. Most of the his post at least what we see, from DB are helpful to the community. He has friends on here who help real him in when he gets out of control. But for the most part his tenacity to out the fakes and BS is entertaining.

Get over it.  Play by the rules.

Charlie Tweeder
"board had drastically changed and now there are many white knights inhabiting the board. Please correct me if I am wrong, but that appears to be the true issue of complaint here."

I don't know if they are real White Knight Posters here or impostors  but isn't it a lot easier at least trying to be a gentleman?
My take on the OP is he would like to be able to call a 5' 7" 135lb provider  a Porky and if she backed talked him he would want the freedom to call her the C word and not have his post removed..
Frankly when it goes that far it strikes a sharp nerve in my neck..Other than that I do appreciate the photo rip off, or the down and dirty rip off alerts.

-- Modified on 1/22/2010 7:06:17 PM

If you like it then stay.  Maybe that was the intention of the other poster.  But, if you and db911 do not like it so much, then why stay?  Just to drag on about this or that objection?  

As the mod said, this is not a democracy it is a privately run board, there is no such thing as true free speech here.  So 1% objecting will not change things in your favor.