Sorry Gator, but I believe it's you that's wrong and I respectfully disagree with your personal interpretation of the guideline.
The guideline states, "...including content copied from their emails..." which appears to be what the OP copied and pasted in her post. The guideline does not however, stipulate, "...copy and paste the entire email content w/his email address or personal info". That's just what you're reading into it.
Since the email in question was from an imposter and not the actual TER member, the guideline itself may not be applicable but that's an entirely diffferent scenario and a question for the TER staff to clarify.
Regardless, I appreciate the OP posting the note and making others aware of this swine. Hopefully her making others aware of the situation will prevent others from falling victim to his scheme.
This creep not only steals another person's handle claiming to be him, makes appointments with escorts and then leaves an empty envelope - his is cocky and ballsy as well. I just got the following email from him. I don't even know how to respond to it, it's so ridiculous.
"wait, you wanted me to give you money? Isn't that illegal? Wouldn't that be prostitution? I don't partake in illegal activities. You should probably warn people before they visit you. I'm sorry that you wanted money and didn't get it. Have a nice day."
Have you ever seen such gall? I have been doing this for 7 years and have never run into such a creep!
want his info and his picture emailed to you
Hi hun,
Im here visiting. I would love his info. [email protected]
Sorry this has happened.
not paying taxes and extortion. Dumbass. I pay taxes and told him to keep his donation for my time- to consider it a mercy date. Hopefully he'll crawl back under the rock he came from.
Stay safe everyone
Hugs,
Bobbi
Could you send me his info? i want to make sure i dont come across this jerk or make sure i havent alreafy seen him b4
Sounds like a perfect candidate for "The Hall of Shame". He ripped you off, and that's grounds enough.
Could you email me his info too so I can avoid him next visit.
[email protected]
He knows exactly what he is doing, and he is playing this scene as a joke. He wouldn't be on TER for no reason, and he definitely wouldn't be using someone's TER handle. Don't reply to him anyone, I'm sure you've got plenty of PM's from the ladies.
Anyhow, to lighten the mood, I have provided you and the viewer with a 20 second clip if he pulled something like that on me. Enjoy! 
Anyhow, to lighten the mood, I have provided you and the viewer with a 20 second clip if he pulled something like that on me. Enjoy!
OP in post below says she has a photo. Is it against policies to out someone who violates the rules of the community? Seems to me that justice would be served ... somehow.
"wait, you wanted me to give you money? Isn't that illegal? Wouldn't that be prostitution? I don't partake in illegal activities. You should probably warn people before they visit you. I'm sorry that you wanted money and didn't get it. Have a nice day."
Have you ever seen such gall? I have been doing this for 7 years and have never run into such a creep!
No, its not against TER policies to out someone. Throughout TER history, hobbyist and providers have been outing numerous people, but do it within TER policies. She hasn't violated any TER policies. She has made a claim that she has his photos and information, but will only dispense that in other channels besides TER, and that is appropriate.
Similar to other BlackList sites, TER is not related to it. Does that answer your question? Anyone can make a claim, but as long as it doesn't violate the policies within that site. So, you need to review the TER policies again.
"She hasn't violated any TER policies". Not entirely accurate, McDonald.
She posted a portion of an email which is in fact a violation of TER Guidelines ("Posting personal information of members or provider, including content copied from their emails and Private Messages, is grounds for BANISHMENT).
The imposter is a swine and should be drawn and quartered for his actions but the OP needs to be careful about the info she posts.
3 other touring ladies last week besides me. I am just trying to warn all ladies to be on their guard so that he does not to this to them. Apparently this is a regular thing for him and he is flaunting his ability to keep doing it. He has stolen another hobbyists handle, brought up LE, outing me, and extortion. I believe he is not only a scam artist, but dangerous as well. If my posting about him goes against TER policy, I apologize, but the more people that know about him, the less people he can harm
Copy & pasted the entire email content w/ his email address or personnel info, then that would be the big no no for being banned. She gave out no personnel info on the Board. She just stated if you want more info, even personnel, to pm her...that is not a violation.
You should post this info on the PO board, just like this, no personnel stuff there either, they can pm you there to.
Sorry for your encounter w/this creep.
Sorry Gator, but I believe it's you that's wrong and I respectfully disagree with your personal interpretation of the guideline.
The guideline states, "...including content copied from their emails..." which appears to be what the OP copied and pasted in her post. The guideline does not however, stipulate, "...copy and paste the entire email content w/his email address or personal info". That's just what you're reading into it.
Since the email in question was from an imposter and not the actual TER member, the guideline itself may not be applicable but that's an entirely diffferent scenario and a question for the TER staff to clarify.
Regardless, I appreciate the OP posting the note and making others aware of this swine. Hopefully her making others aware of the situation will prevent others from falling victim to his scheme.
Prove me wrong & report this post & see if admin takes the thread down, or deletes the quote.
There is no way to tie a quote back to anyone, thus no outing has occurred on the board.
Sometimes, common sence dictates.
I think you answered your statement & agreed w/me in your paragraph 3.
From a former mod.
thread was gonna unfold for my entertainment. Sorry dude, I was gonna tell you that he was a former moderator and knew the guidelines.
Because the details of the guidelines are not specific, I don't blame you. Anyhow, lets not make a big deal about this. The OP's central message was to warn other providers and hobbyist about this ripoff.
The intent of my initial post was to sound a warning that the OP may be potentially adding insult to injury with a TER violation by posting the email content. Based on how the guideline is written I was convinced a violation had occurred. Submitting a report would only serve to bring TER Admin's scrutiny to that potential violation which would be counter to my original intent so I'll leave the reporting to others. Since I don't have VIP status at present, I considered emailing TER Admin for clarification but couldn't find an email address.
Forensic linguistics is not my specialty so just because I'm not aware of a way to tie a quote back to someone doesn't necessarily mean that it can't be done.
I wasn't aware that you are a former mod gator and common sense dictates that I should respect your opinion and refer to your judgment on interpreting TER's guidelines.
I fully admit my mistake misinterpreting the guideline, I apologize to all involved for any confusion my posts may have caused and will strive to post more carefully in the future.
I asked whether she could post the pic.
Don't know how that wasn't clear in light of last comment that justice would be served.
Similar to other BlackList sites, TER is not related to it. Does that answer your question? Anyone can make a claim, but as long as it doesn't violate the policies within that site. So, you need to review the TER policies again.
Don't know how that wasn't clear in light of last comment that justice would be served.
Thus the only reasonable interpretation of your original question is whether it violates TER rules for the lady to offer to email the pic, not to post the pic.
Don't know how that wasn't clear in light of last comment that justice would be served.
Thus the only reasonable interpretation of your original question is whether it violates TER rules for the lady to offer to email the pic, not to post the pic.
I asked whether she could post the pic.
Don't know how that wasn't clear in light of last comment that justice would be served.
How do you go from that to
" I asked whether she could post the pic. "
Something doesn't add up in your posts.
Perhaps it's just me.
Any fool going around stealing another person's handle is CLEARLY in violation of the RULES in the community.
Justice WILL be served.
Karma is a b%$#@.
OP says guy commandeered a ter handle, ripped her off, and she has a photo of the guy. I say, "OP in post below says she has a photo. Is it against policies to out someone who violates the rules of the community? Seems to me that justice would be served ... somehow."
Interpretation: So far, no one has outed anyone. OP has a photo. ter policies ban the posting of information that reveals personal information. However, there may be issues that override those policies since the alleged rip-off artist has harmed ter members (I think it is 4 providers who have said he pulled the same scam; actual possessor of handle posts that his handle has been commandeered) and all providers and hobbyists could be at risk. Therefore, do these harms override the protections (put in place to protect upstanding members of the ter community) ... and thus allow the FUTURE posting of the photo, which would be the "outing"?
The implication is, then, that by posting the picture of the bad man, "justice would be served ... somehow."
However, the allegations, though stated, have not been proven. Therefore, the prudent ter member asks ter officials to weigh in on whether the posting of said photo is allowable and whether that posting would serve the interests of the entire ter community.
In conclusion, though said photo and other information may be posted elsewhere, would the posting of that same information on ter in a forum accessible to all ter members serve the greater good?
In case the above consists of too many words: I AM ON THE OP's SIDE!!!
Next time, you should ask the person to PM you directly from TER, not just give you the username. Most smart girls always ask me to PM them directly from my TER ID, Date-check, RS200 and P411. Afterward, they ask me to email them from the email that is listed in Date-check, p411 and stuff like that. That is being smart! All of you providers must do that.
Also, P411 told me that a year or two ago, some dude was pretending to be a provider and was collecting p411 ID from the clients. He was using that to see and rip-off escorts. Consequently, they started emailing clients to not give away P411 info. They told us to ask the providers for their unique provider ID and PM them through p411 to set up appointments. Likewise for the providers.
Of course, nothing is 100% guaranteed. Someone can hack into your computer. This is why LE cannot do anything to the provider/hobbyist, unless they catch you in the act. Anyone can hack and impersonate you. Anyone can use your info to book with agencies or independents. No one can prove OR disprove this statement, unless they videotaped you meeting the escort and she testifies against you.
A few months ago, some dude complained that his roommate used his cell phone to book someone. One dude was pissed that his work email was forged. Another person complained that someone used info from his business card to book someone. You see, a lot can happen.
Everyone, be careful!
I HAVE reported his info to all sites that I have access to. I always ask the person to pm me from their TER handle- I neglected to do so this time- rest assured it will be the first and LAST time I ever make that mistake. And last, as for having his picture- I never said I was posting his picture on TER- I merely stated that I have a picture and would like to post it on sites that allow that sort of thing and for anyone who wanted all his info to pm me for it. I want to reach as many people as possible so hobbyists can be aware that other people can and do use their handles to impersonate them and for providers to have access to his info to hopefully avoid having this kind of thing happen to them. The ass-wipe did this to 3 other touring ladies last week besides me using his other email address) and is getting all cocky and nasty thinking it's something he can easily get away with often.
So you're saying that there are four ladies out there that not only failed to ask for a pm from the actual account, but didn't bother to do reference checks either? Considering that the reference checks are for everyone's safety, that's a little scary. And if you don't mind us asking, how exactly did you get his picture? Did he allow you to take it(seems unlikely but you said he is cocky) or did you obtain it from hotel surveillance? Not trying to pry but it seems surprising no one has asked. Think of it from another perspective, imagine if you will that one of us had an outcall appointment and the girl stole something. Now imagine that the guy started saying he had pictures of her in the act of stealing it, wouldn't that raise a few flags about scheduling an outcall with that guy in the future?
Not trying to make light of what happened to you. Obviously the guy is a thief and deserves to have whatever happens to him. But part of what good can come from these situations is an open dialogue about improving everyone's safety in the future.
I am now fighting with TER to have the review pulled. If you are scammed/ripped, the review should be null and void. End of story.
This man is dangerous and it is a true shame that TER allows a scum like this be active on here with(at least) TWO different handles and puts the burden on the ladies he has done this to to PROVE that he did it.
Personally, I rather be de-listed then have his review stand on my profile. As long as this review stands, I am now an accomplice to him as he is using my name and his review of me as leverage to see other girls. I refuse to aid him in doing this to someone else.
This man is brazen to rip someone off and then go and write a bad review about it--who knows what else he is capable of doing. I take this as security threat to all the women out there. I was not going to post publicly about it but enough is enough.
Karma is a bitch.
-- Modified on 7/1/2012 11:19:18 PM
I am glad you outed him. Anyone that rips people off, esp escorts, get no sympathy from anyone.
Look what happened to secret service officers and military personnel that tried to rip-off foreign national hookers. To be honest, as long as you pay and keep yourself discreet, the government officials would leave you alone, unless you are like Spitzer
This man is dangerous and it is a true shame that TER allows a scum like this be active on here with(at least) TWO different handles and puts the burden on the ladies he has done this to to PROVE that he did it.
Personally, I rather be de-listed then have his review stand on my profile. As long as this review stands, I am now an accomplice to him as he is using my name and his review of me as leverage to see other girls. I refuse to aid him in doing this to someone else.
This man is brazen to rip someone off and then go and write a bad review about it--who knows what else he is capable of doing. I take this as security threat to all the women out there. I was not going to post publicly about it but enough is enough.
Karma is a bitch.
-- Modified on 7/1/2012 11:19:18 PM
that for a hobbyist to write a legitimate review and have it stand, an actual appointment had to have taken place.
An appointment by anyone's understanding of it, is, a client books an appointment with an escort, he goes through with the appointment, and then he PAYS her for the appointment time.
If he is stealing other legitimate hobbyists handles to secure an appointment and then does not pay her, how is this a legitimate appointment? Last time I checked, escorts do not book free appointments.
He is being so cocky and sure he can continue doing this, that he has no reason to cease. His reviews being allowed to remain will only result in making him cockier and to keep doing what he is doing!
And for the picture question. It was not planned and no he did not give me permission to take a picture of him. There was a security camera on the premises that I was unaware of until afterwards. And I have not outed anyone. It would be difficult to do in any event as he uses so many different emails and handles, non of which are his own and I haven't posted his picture on TER, only stated that I have one of this scum masquarading himself as one of us.
I saw 2 bad reviews. Both are bad, but they don't deserve low performance. One is really/really bad and seems like a stretch of truth. I don't blame you for you view.
both of them and yes, they are both latinos/dark-skinned dudes
He uses the same phone number to set up all of the appointments and all of the emails (and there are many address that we have compiled) are from the same IP.
These types of people progress to looking for new ways to hurt people. It is a thrill factor and soon this thrill will wear off and who knows what he will do next. This is 'not their first rodeo.'
I am a victim and there are many ladies that have been as well. Since there is nothing that anyone will do, he will continue. He already knows this and I am sure he is elated to hear me say it.
I have a stellar reputation and over 100 reviews over about 7 years. I have never been involved with any sort of drama on this board. It doesn't matter to me if he left me a 10/10 or 1/1. This person is now going to use the review he left me as a way to legitimize who he is. I am being used an accomplice for his bad behavior to continue.
Also, I have never had any kind of correspondence or interaction with Bobbi until Monday. She is just someone who is strong enough to come forward as she went through the same thing. I never planned to out him. I was using the channels of TER to take down this review as he did not pay for his time with me which should make his review null and void. Bobbi is brave and has conviction. There is absolutely no benefit to a lady that stands up for herself; She does it because she believes it is the right thing to do.
-- Modified on 7/4/2012 2:15:37 PM
When you read the details.