Is this a discussion board, or the classified advertisements?

There just does not seem to be too much discussing going on around here lately.

Hurry someone stir up a controversy.

It is both... But, for over a year now (since Marilynsdiary) things just haven't been the same.. The tone has quieted down - almost eerie silence sometimes.

I will say I don't miss the flames and name calling that were always dividing our community. Now, people have become more civil in how there are accepted differences from one hobbyist to another and the same for providers.

I'm happy to see less fear being spread also. It seemed like the only thing some wished to bring to the board and made many uncomfortable to the point they wouldn't post.

We use to talk about getting together - even that doesn't happen anymore. Well, in part that I resigned as the manager of those events - but still, no one has even suggested it...

So, I guess the only thing left to talk about these days would be the weather... Showing signs of spring - going to be in the 70's soon. Looking forward to the change of dress and what catches my eye the most (no it's not golfing)...

So, please, discuss the weather at least - but if you must - go on and bring up something controversial so Chris can be happy - and you can be moderated - LOL...

Happy Hobbying

David Gilmour has a new CD out that really takes me back to the good old days. What better sign that the world is re-awakening? For anybody over a certain age, check out the clip and get goosebumps.

Everyone just accepts the status quo. If someone like myself brings something up everyone wants to take the "Pack view". About 95% of the dc guys are too busy making appointments and doing other things and rather not been involved in the discussions. Other people both clients and providers are afraid to tell how they really feel because they might alienate someone. The clients are afraid the providers won't see them. The providers are afraid the clients won't see them. It not just this board. People are using the back channel to get the real deal. The "M" board still exists. You just don't hear anything about it.

From what I hear some guys are so sick and tired of things they have stopped posting. They are tired of no shows and late shows. I have heard some real horror stories about excessive lateness.

I hear horror stories from providers about excessive roughness from guys and guys that don't have proper hygiene be it a std, bad breath, or stinking. Other problems providers complain about about guys being too cheap and only being interested when they have a special.

Also as we have seen providers have in some instances refused to see posters of this board.

Remember one thing that there is supply and demand. Because demand is high providers can set the rules on who they will see. Just because a guy has money does not guarantee an appointment anymore. Providers can pick and choose from the data they get from references. I have heard stories about good references and providers won't see the guy because he could be weak or he could wear out the pussy to much.

With some much resentment going on with both parties I can see visitors making a come back.

As review sites like this become more refined you will start the see the commidization of providers. There will be real time performance measures. You will see some providers get upset and remove their profiles. Others will stay on and improve.

-- Modified on 3/7/2006 3:44:01 PM

The last time this was brought up - you asked for too many questions and inflected fear of STD's which brought many out in response. I'm not understanding your point as it appears you have selectively divided our community based on your perceptions on behavior and analysis.

The pack as you say appears to be those who have a difference of opinion or view then your own. But at the same time, there were many who shared you concerns and observation so in turn you are also part of a pack are you not?

So many negative visions sure makes for a warm environment where the type of entertainment sought here can grow... Fortunately, I enjoy it when people disagree and can manage to be civil at the same time.

Is there anything you find promising or pleasurable about this hobby and those who practice it?

Hmm, ok, let talk about the weather... The parks, the fresh air, the signing of the Nationals Lease agreement - LOL...

Oh, and remind me to buy you a drink at the next happy hour - you just reminded me of myself and how grim it was at work today - Damn, thanks, I'm over it LOL...

that is right we can't buy an alias a drink.

That is the other problem with this board right now, is too many people hiding behind their aliases.

"From what I hear some guys are so sick and tired of things they have stopped posting. They are tired of no shows and late shows. I have heard some real horror stories about excessive lateness."
Yes, guys have never liked these things, but has anyone heard of the well respected and well reviewed ladies from this board taking advantage of situations and no-showing or being excessive late. I did not think so, it is just as it has always been, if you take a chance, you take a chance.

“I hear horror stories from providers about excessive roughness from guys and guys that don't have proper hygiene be it a std, bad breath, or stinking. Other problems providers complain about guys being too cheap and only being interested when they have a special.”
Again have you heard these stories about guys who are contributors here on the board? Or people who have been given good recommendations. Providers who do their research, and check references, generally have a good idea of what they are getting into before they see someone. Those who don’t are taking their own risks.

”Also as we have seen providers have in some instances refused to see posters of this board.”
That could be said about anything in any part of life, if you take a poll of enough providers, and enough hobbyist, I am sure you will find providers who don’t like to see posters from TER. However, on the flip side you will also find an equal amount that prefers to see posters of this board. You are always pointing out the few negative examples, and never targeting the positive examples.

”Remember one thing that there is supply and demand. Because demand is high providers can set the rules on who they will see. Just because a guy has money does not guarantee an appointment anymore. Providers can pick and choose from the data they get from references. I have heard stories about good references and providers won't see the guy because he could be weak or he could wear out the pussy to much.”
Yes, demand is high, but there is no shortage of supply either. It is nice that both sides have the privilege to pick and choose who they want to see.

”With some much resentment going on with both parties I can see visitors making a come back.”
When have we had a shortage of visitors?

Many guys are afraid to tell the truth about the lateness and now shows with the well reviewed providers. We will talk about it in the back channel, compare notes, hear it from other providers, or other places but dare not bring it up on the boards.

Providers do check references but sometimes a reference won't tell all the dirty details to another provider about a potential client. It has gotton to the point where providers will only take references for certain providers who are high quality.

Some providers will only use a TER handle as reference and latter on they regret seeing the client. They are in constant fear that they might have been exposed to something. They will take precautions like forcing a CBJ. You will read the review and see that guy is upset that he got a CBJ. The guy will rate the provider lower to impact her busines. The real community does not know what really happened because providers can't speak out on a issue like this.

The first time I see a provider they are so glad to see me and see how clean I am. Then they will tell me about how some guys stink even if they take a shower. I know 1 provider who quit and another one who will quit soon. They are tired and warn out because of the safety issues. They are also tired of those Brad Pitt stud types who fuck like a non stop machine.



-- Modified on 3/7/2006 9:13:18 PM

This is the last response I will give to a comment made by this alias. I would encourage, everyone else, to ignore this person also.

Whoever you are, if all you can is the negatives of all this, please do us all a favor and get out of the hobby.

You wanted to stir up controversy so I brought up the topics that everyone is afraid to talk about.

I happen to know who both of you are and where I can get at each of you if you keep this up..lol  

 Chris, I have said this before many times on this board.  I often do not agree with TER's rules and policies, and review approvals.  None of us here made them or has the power to change them.  We can make suggestions, however we all know that those suggestions often fall on "deaf ears".  Although we are members here, "here" is a private club which is privately owned by Dave.  As such, it is not a democracy.  He is the owner and "emperor" of sorts.  If we join we must agree to his rules and abide by them.  Specifically, he has made long standing provision for the use of aliases.  Like them or not, they are a long time part of the pattern here.  We are permitted to make suggestions to the contrary, however many people DO like this provision.  Hence, I expect that it will not change anytime soon.  Hence like the other rules and procedures here, it behooves us to manage with them and to all get along (regardless of which side an individual may take on this issue).

 I have never used an alias and do not plan to in the future.  That particular process is not for me.  However, I know of several specific people (both hobbyists and providers) who use one or more aliases here.  Under the provisions noted above, I fully respect their right to do so.  I wouldn't "out" them if I could.  I just don't feel that would be appropriate.  However, the moderator has made it clear that he will at least moderate anyone who attempts to "out" someone who is posting under an alias.  

People who post under aliases have reasons for doing so which can vary "all over the map".  Some people feel more comfortable posting under "multiple personalities" provided by various aliases.  This does not necessarily mean that they are posting any less honestly.  In fact, it could well mean that they are posting more honestly.  In the founder's infinite wisdom, it was apparently felt that aliases actually foster better posting, rather than the opposite.  Although I have no strong opinion either way, I can see how this is entirely possible (particularly with my knowledge of certain specific posters who use aliases).

 Guess you'll just have to trust me on this one, Chris.  You have indicated that you are in favor of more active posting on this board.  I can assure you that without aliases, the posting would be a good deal LESS active (like it or not).  If you don't wish to "converse" with someone posting under an alias, simply DON'T.  However with all due respect, I would suggest that you not make a big issue out of it.  My only objection to aliases would be for those who might hide behind them in order to flame or demean.  However in my tenure here, I feel that has been relatively rare.  Besides, that would be a basis for moderation (or even banning in severe cases).  Those who use aliases are also not beyond the rules and must answer to the moderator of this board, as well as TER staff.

 Now to not be one-sided, AONA go easy on Chris.  He's still getting his bearings around here.  Besides if you DON'T, you know I know who you are and how I can GET you...lol  Now you wouldn't want me to tell a certain somebody a whole bunch of your "secrets" now, would you?? hahaha

-- Modified on 3/7/2006 11:38:44 PM

The problems you mention have been around longer then you and will remain. Telling the truth as you put it isn't the problem - it's respect. If you know the problem, which I'm sure you do, why is it you don't post the no shows and slam, shame or ridicule a provider? And doing this helps?

The rest is so old, so not new, it's what comes with this hobby. And I heard there are guys who are only going to see a provider who does CBJ - so posting that helps them and in turn bring her the clients she wants.

And the reference to your being clean and thus earns you their respect to dump all the downside of this type of work just doesn't seem right... You sure know how to pick them I guess. After seeing them they are freaked out enough to want to quit - LOL...

Oh, and yes, I am the Brad Pitt Non Stop Fuck Machine... Well, at least that's what all my favorite ons call me - LOL - hey wait, OMG - is that you Bertha hiding behind the AONA alias.. Damn Honey, It's been tight lately, I promise to see you soon, come on now - you know you love your Brad Pitt Sex Machine...

Except a few hours of laughter and banter dialog... Keep em coming AONA - I'm sure someone will kick me for saying that...

" I happen to know who both of you are and where I can get at each of you if you keep this up..lol  "

And where have you been? In your tenure? Please Ponz - it is not rare that you will see the alias being used to stir up trouble..

And if you really think this place would die without the use of alias handles - let it... I think most would say the alias handles have been misused. And yes, our Moderator follows the guidelines, rules and Policy, so I don’t blame him for this problem – LOL

And Ponz, I know you're an old fart and have been around her a while - but now I have to think of you as the God Father of TER... Don Ponz - LOL

And here is another problem GF Ponz - what about this telling of other secrets - again is seems like a threat. All this does is alienate you from others that can't trust you not to use the things said to you against them or find every conversation shared with everyone you know.

I doubt you were intentionally threatening him and trying to make a point - or am I wrong?

Absolutely nothing?

You picked the wrong person. I have not retired from the hobby. Maybe you should spend more time writing reviews about the problem providers instead of taking pot shots at people. People for some reason are afraid to give the truth so providers can improve.

-- Modified on 3/8/2006 9:29:40 AM

This was related to another post "Brad Pitt" type. Not you. It was a general comment. Search the forum for Brad Pitt, lol.

-- Modified on 3/8/2006 6:37:27 AM

I don't know what you are talking about. What secrets ? I did not know there so many secrets. As long as things are truthful there are no threats.

-- Modified on 3/8/2006 6:49:11 AM

. . . I'll pop up some popcorn, sit back and watch.

You missed the action last night. Many threads were pulled. Instead of talking about the issues I raised people just want sit back and throw arrows at the alias.

-- Modified on 3/8/2006 5:13:32 PM

With all the issues you have between other hobbyist and providers it's a safe assumption you don't hobby. Anyway - you can't prove me wrong without having to expose your true TER identity.

And I think even if all the truths were given to you or posted as you say you still wouldn't believe..

Those truths as you see them might be issues limited to your experiences. I for one am grateful and if not, I don't blame or wish to bring harm to the provider as you think is the right thing to do.

Anyway - I have nothing to hide - but you do. Fear or reprisals from those who you think deserve having the truth be told in public - show us where you have a leg to stand on here - please...

And thanks for giving me something to do... Keep em coming Please

Just the old man trying to break up a spat between "the boys", slip.  Sometimes you have to pose "punishment" by taking away TV or internet privileges in order to get them to behave.  You have some of your own.  You should know what I am talking about. lol  Now let's all shake hands and make up, boys...  No, I didn't say "make out".

  As for the pros and cons of aliases, I indicated that it is a two sided issue.  I believe you have stated your opinions.  Such as they are (or are not) I have stated mine.  Point is, aliases are apparently here to stay.  It behooves us all to deal with that in peace.  Of course RC has nothing to do it with it (and hence has no blame).  As always, he is simply following the rules.

  You mean you have just started to know me as the "don"/ the "godfather"?  Don't be surprised to find a horse's head on your sheets.  Regard that as whatever you MUST. lol  Don't call me an old fart.  You're the one that has been getting so damn cranky lately.  I might have to bring in Steve Irwin (the "crocodile hunter") to deal with you...~~

Just call it survival, slip.  The way things have been getting lately, one needs all the arsenal they can get to "keep the sharks at bay".

Just don't want Chris to think that I am only "picking on him", for that is not the case.