person asking perfectly knows the answer and is simply looking for reassurance that his/her position is righteous.

Lets turn tables here for a moment.  Lets presume that you are running a business and at times of low cash flow turn to your long time patrons with direct mail offers.

They in turn keep lowering the price they are willing to pay for your product/services.

Are they being smart consumers or use predatory tactics?


Lina

I have been inactive in the hobby for some time now and because of this finally
willing to make this post without fear of repercussions. Tell me what you think.

Whenever I found a provider that I liked and we seemed to "click" I would give her my
private phone number with permission to call me when she was available. What this did was
cause her to make me her client of last resort. When business was booming and her dance
card full I never heard from her. But at the end of the month or in slack times she would
call. Her question was usually "Would you like some company?" The first time we would
conduct business as usual. Subsequently when she called I told her that I would love to see
her but I didn't have her usual fee. When she asked how much I told her what I thought she
would accept. Over time with each phone call I would reduce my available funds until I
reached her cutoff point. This tactic allowed me to enjoy $300 services for as little
as $40 and one time absolutely free(she needed a place to stay). During my hobbying years
I used this process sucessfully with several providers.

When I revealed what I was doing to a fellow hobbyist out in Arizona he became upset. He said
that I was rapatious and knowingly taking advantage of women at their most vulnerable time.
I told him that this was a business and I was merely leveraging my position to best use my hobbying dollars. I did not initiate the calls. I did not force anyone to do what they didn't want to do. He called
me the other day which jogged my memory and caused this post.  

So providers, was I using predatory tactics or just good business sense? Hobbyist, am I the
only person to take advantage of supply and demand in this activity? What say you?


Alex

Which under the law is a "person", this would be considered business as usual.

However, you are an actual person, so morality plays a part.

In reality, whether your actions/behaviour are right or wrong really only matters to you and the ladies in question because it only directly affects you. However, I will bring up that the fact you brought this question to the board means it is weighing on your heart, mind, and conscious. And in that simple fact, you have your answer about the right and wrong of the situation.

Kisses,
Vanica

You should've wondered if the lady in question was dropping her rates precipitously and was homeless you should have wondered what increased risks she might have been willing to take.

You can't have it both ways. Is this a business or not?  When providers increase their rates I'm supposed to live with it, but when I am able to negotiate a lesser rate I'm a Troll? Sounds like a double standards to me.

Alex

Troll - One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

And I see by your response that I was on point.

...clever nor righteous; it is rather cheap, dishonest and unethical.

Thinking with the right head for a change.  We always make the call when we have the money in pocket.  They call you so if you can make it to your advantage....good for you!   Supply and demand, period.

clever and practical.  In each instance, the lady could have said "sorry, that's not enough" or "I don't lower my fee under any circumstances".  The fact that she accepted what was being offered is proof positive that it was, in the words of Sonny Corleone: "strictly business"!

First you should post reviews for the providers you see.

2nd you should not be seeing the same provider all the time.

If she raises the rates and you don't agree see someone else. Sooner are later she will figure it out and might lower her prices again. Many of these ladies have no business sense. Some get sugar daddies and bid there prices up. Then when the sugar daddy goes they can't figure out why old customers don't want to see them. It is better for them to have a set of regulars so they don't have to screen new guys etc.

There are ladies who want to see me again. I won't see them because they jacked up their prices. I only saw them when they offered specials and they can't figure it out. They might call me a cheapo but I call it smart shopping because pussy is always on sale, lol.

Care if he has done this, is doing this, or advises other to do it to success?

Does it impact me? nope. Does it impact the ladies I see? I hope not

Do I care what time of the month it is if a provider emails me and says "I wanna spank your ass while I milk your cock" nope...

I personally find his post rather funny... as to say wow, why the hell would she allow herself to be played?

But then again I did a search topics related to "Did I get played?" or "this guy made me drop my price and I think I got played?" and couldn't find any provider claiming the other side of the story. So either this is a nice work of fiction by what seems to be a lurker under an alias, or She doesn't feel like she was played (well maybe not after she reads his story) or she is too embarrassed to say anything publicly (can't help he if we donno its happening)

In the end would I do such things? nope, its just not my style... but to each his own, make it so, and lick before you stick!

One word:  CREEP!

Of course the providers think you are doing something questionable or downright wrong.  

What everybody forgets is this is a business!!! You were able to procure her services for a mutually agreed upon fee.  You were not surreptitious in your tactic, nor did you "play" her because she was the one always initiating contact...so I don't see it as you being opportunistic at all.  

I say good for you that you are wise with your hobbying dollars.  But why post about this?  You like to brag?  

But your post is useful as it will bring out and identify the pussy-whipped white knights around here.  Those guys don't understand this is a business and think that each encounter is an audition to be a hooker's boyfriend.

I had a similar experience not too long ago. A provider I saw about a year ago used to keep e-mailing me at least once a month wanting to get together. I really enjoyed being with her but not once a month. I told her I cannot afford to see her once month because I also like to see other girls. She offered me a discount and I accepted it. From that point on, She would offer me a discount but it's never more than 20%. I still paid from 550 to 650 for 2 hrs. Finally, I decided I didn't want to see her once a month even at her discount rate so I asked her not to e-mail me anymore. I never tried to get her continuing to lower her rate like you did. This is a business but at some point human dignity does come into play.

My post says I have been "inactive" for some time. This is the only handle I've ever used.
I only posted to see how many people agreed with my friend in Arizona. Apparently most do.

Alex

I might not agrees with the OP's position, but that seems to be a legitimate topic and the presentation is not provocative. Besides, what's the disruption; the content is right this forum.

To call someone or someone's post a troll, you need more justification than that.

Hell in these times u could pull this stunt on 1st time visits. I mean to each its own. Either your down for whatever or u move onto the next one.....White Knights assemble.

It's simple, like BFE500 said, you exploited the weakness of some providers and try to justify this as a benefit not for what it is.

Are you pleased with yourself? Do you really think it was necessary to seek out those that were vunerable and take them down to their lowest level? Seriously, it's contemptuous and only shows your lack of regard for the human factor and what you did was wrong in my opinion.

Maybe you should write a book on how to take advantage and manipulate others. I'm sure there are many out there like you and your book would sell. But I don't know how you could live with yourself. I am sure you could afford to be generous and caring, but that's not your best side is it?

OK maybe you already knew the answer and now only wanted to get a laugh letting everyone know how you took advantage of providers who were so desperate they lower themselves and are no more than a door mat and repository for your self satisfying needs.

Read this if you are interested to know what is wrong with it

http://www.luc.edu/faculty/rmayer/mayer22.pdf

I'd love to hear that someone takes advantage of your weakness like exposing your hobbying habits to work and your personal world along with how you are proud of the fact you learned how to exploit those who are in need and too weak to refuse your generosity. I mean where would they be without having you to fall back on right?

Good Luck, I hope you get what you deserve in life, the same treatment you have given others.

I understand that you guys want to spend your hobbying dollars wisely but there are ways to go about it. If $300 is too much then there are plenty of well reviewed escorts from $250 down to $150. Then there are the specials that are offered regularly. The problem with your approach is that it's penny wise but pond foolish. But as I said before, as price points drop below established levels, the probability for increaseingly risky behaviors (substance abuse, BBFS, scams, robbery) increases.

"seek out those that were vunerable"? The way I read the OP they called him.

Why do some providers charge more than others?
Why do they charge more for an Outcall?
Why do those that offer Greek charge more for it?
The simple, 3-word answer to all those questions - "becasue they can". Aren't these all examples of providers exploiting the weaknesses of clients?

Hey, just asking.

Basically I think the OP is  BSing.  As far as I'm concerned a dude with zero reviews has little cred to start with.  He might have gained your respect by claiming to take advantage of financially strapped babes but I seriously doubt if his phone is ringing off the hook with quality ladies desperate enough to lower their rates from 300/400 to 40.    Honestly, I really don't get the attitude of it us against them.

...And there will always be people within it spinning their wheels, succumbing to self-defeating habits and personality disorders that cause them to cycle in and out of bouts of emotional or financial desperation.  

What you're doing is predatory.  You're presenting it as clever good shopping- but the fact is you are allowing these women to grossly undercut themselves for your benefit and that is the sort of behavior that pimps or people who prey on the elderly or disabled do.  Its abhorrent but no one here can shame or guilt you into recognizing that.

Honestly, I can't tell if you're asking a legitimate question or bragging- one never knows on these forums where nearly nothing is ever posted purely out of genuine curiosity or sentiment.

Providers who routinely allow themselves to be taken advantage of by routinely getting into positions that reduce them to begging will either continue to meander down a path of self-destruction or they will tire and assume responsibility for themselves.

Clients who routinely allow themselves to be taken advantage of by providers will either continue to subconsciously search for and pander to dramatic women with endless woes or they will get tired of seeing their money cycle down the drain with selfish ingrates.  

I'd say that a personality like yours represents the worst in this business- but your type will always exist within it and its up to each individual to decide whether they want to be a victim or not.  Its as simple as that.

that want is true love and affection that sometimes gets partially filled with time spent with an attractive woman.  I understand her needs for income and safety.  I appreciate that she made herself available to me who is no where near as attractive or interesting to be with.    Its not an ideal situation but it is what it is and I'd feel less honorable if I took advantage of her.  Turn it around and think of someone who takes your money and will only talk or go through the motions.  Its never just been about the sex for me.  I do enjoy meeting these beautiful woman and spending some time together.  Its a connection I wouldn't want to tarnish trying to get a better deal.  At the end of the day you want to be able to look at yourself as an honorable person.

Sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for the least.

smart consumers.natural equilibrium.

His intention was made very clear. He planted the seed of contempt and let it grow.

Why is it so hard to accept? You believe he didn't exploit anyone? Ok then you are just like him and are probably working his idea right now.

Those that charge more believe what they offer is worth more than others. You think to control the cost of pussy and put a rate cap on it?

Why charge more for outcall? Omfg you are ignorant aren't you. It's not just because they can there is a purpose which is too simple for you to understand or accept. Travel time and expense simply put. Why do others not? Well that is because they don't feel they have to.

Why more for Greek? Well it takes preparation, but ok you already know this don't ya.

So you are one of the weak minded who can be manipulated and exploited from being unable to control your sex addiction? Yes I can see providers exploiting that weakness in every man who when the door opens they see it's not the one in the picture but cannot stop there addiction and go through with it just to bitch about it later.

Yes that's exploration also. But in the cases of bait and switch only because they pray on your inability to say no thank you and walk out. I find those who do that just as contemptuous as the OP because they plan it count on it and seek the weak like yourself.

But that's the few who go into it with malice and intent. I don't see the everyday providers as exploitative and taking advantage of anthing mire than satisfying the needs if many and in the majority of cases its mutually beneficial.

So go on tell your side and ignore the rest please and someday I hope to hear how you did with working his game.

I'm not a provider so I'll answer the one you posed to hobbyists.

No, I haven't done it with any provider I've seen. Would I do it the way you're describing? No. I don't have/want to.I believe if you're generous, over time, you can get your "free" time from a provider.

But then he did ask an important question... is it predatory or is it good negotiation?

Personally, I would never take advantage of the situation. Paying $40 to a girl who normally goes for $300 is a damn good deal, yes. A freebie is even better. However, the difference is that she's a human being.. a lady... not a merchandise. Seems to me it is more predatory than being a good negotiator since, in this case, the girl called the OP because she is essentially in a vulnerable position. She had no other choice. No choice = not much option but to heed to negotiation = predatory...

Some may say it's just all sugar coating and we're ALL just after one thing: The lady wants money,  the guy wants her p***y.
However, if I treat her like a streetwalking crack ho, then that is all the session will ever be. It just boils down to pure business transaction for a purely mechanical act. If on the other hand, I treat the lady like a lady, then the overall session turns into something better and more memorable.

The widespread outrage at OP smacks of paternalism.

The providers are big girls, who've chosen a big girls' profession.  By OP's account, they are the ones calling him looking for business, not the other way around.

Well written response D.A.B.