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TurbayVeronica See my TER Reviews 157 reads
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I have screen about 200 emails... 65% of them I would say are blacklisted, fake references. Just one I check last nite had:

-Rape & Gun point report (2)
-Complete apt and at the end hit provider, stole money and left
-2 reckless driving tickets  
-and he was arrested for possession of illegal substances....  

so.... that being said, I wont meet with someone with that record. I have to be comfortable, feel safe.. if the amp like to take a client with this record... be my guest, I wont.  

And no, I am not screwing myself... at all!

TheNativesMan2481 reads

Agencies do not seem to be accepting 411 now perhaps due to recent events.

 
Recently had a chance to meet one of their girls. Flawless had verified me sometime back with 411 and I assumed that everything would be fine.

 
Now, they wanted references again, which I provided. Then they asked for age, race etc. which was surprising when I gave them 6 references.

 
Finally, everything was done, appointment was set and they wanted me to provide my DL and Business Card. I said thank you very much for your time and moved on.

 
But this would be tough for newbies who had been thinking of testing the waters. Things are just crazy.

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TurbayVeronica141 reads

Well, that type of screening should be done every every time.

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TheNativesMan149 reads

we all should follow whatever you do.  :-)  :-)

 
We've been through this a bunch of times, haven't we? If everybody did what you do, then the number of meetings would drop drastically. Thankfully a majority of providers have successfully screened clients without resorting to 'prostrate exams' and been quite successful. Not questioning your methods but do question your insistence that others follow the same methods.

 
I don't see myself jumping through those hoops (not saying never since who knows what the future holds) but find it difficult to see myself doing any such thing. If my okays, reviews, whitelists and posts are not good enough then I'll be moving on as I did with Flawless, no arguments, no ill-will. Sure reviews are not available right now but as more providers move overseas, perhaps that would change over time.  

 
Flawless and other agencies might be doing this perhaps due to the fact that they might not have access to 411 anymore. But that is just my guess. Perhaps others could confirm. I was able to move on, contact another provider and had a successful meeting without any issue. But feel sorry for newbies, things have become much more difficult for them.

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Sherando186 reads

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TheNativesMan171 reads

because they texted that they weren't accepting 411 as reference, I assumed that perhaps they do not have access anymore. And I posted to let people specially newbies know to be prepared for this.

 
One of the posts here had mentioned that 411 has restricted nowadays to independents only (of course 411 has been making so many changes recently that it had been difficult to keep up).

 
But indeed, if other agencies follow this action by Flawless then it does make it worse for newbies to use agencies. 411 seems to be the only game in town without having to undergo prostrate checks.

 
Of course, entirely possible that the person at Flawless who handled my request had no idea what he/she was talking about and if another person looks at the situation then perhaps it'd change.

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imanalias162 reads

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TurbayVeronica150 reads

that you down have whitelist available or reviews.  
So far I have not suffer on my work... so.... you can definitely move to the next. It wont bother me  

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imanalias147 reads

He should message through P411 those he wants to see. Some people just don’t want to surrender PII. If he had recent Okays from established ladies would you still expect him to send his PII?

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Etchebarren172 reads

you know, for future reference and for clarity for the guys as they make choices.

Your website seems to be unclear.

It's going to be interesting to see who blinks first, ladies needing more business and lowering screening standards or guys having trouble finding ladies  giving in to more intrusive screening.

It will be fascinating to see how the old supply-demand dynamic works out with the disruption.

Predictions now are at best guesses.

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TurbayVeronica149 reads

Well shall see! Lots of changes definitely!  
If you read the fine print on P411... it also states that providers SHOULD verify the ID that match the person that request...

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Etchebarren202 reads

I didn't ask P411, I asked you your policy

Perhaps you could test it, make PII and ID mandatory to see you, see what happens, and report back to the rest of us - you know for "the community"

But, to you, the rest of the ladies "SHOULD" screen like that when you don't.

As Stormy (among many other examples on these boards) shows us, irrespective of the current crisis, the risks to a guy sharing real-life info is only getting worse.  As of now, there's no reason to give that info out.

We'll see after the dust settles.

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TurbayVeronica155 reads

You havent even book and with so much complaining... I doubt you ever will. So why waisted time...  
Next.

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VIPDevonM165 reads

There seems to be mis-information. Since the new bill was passed, I've received a lot of requests with no screening information or asking me lower my prices. The answer will always be no.  Just because a bill was passed, doesn't mean I value safety any differently. . For the gentleman asking to lower prices, find a provider within your budget.  
As a traveling provider, there a is a price tag that comes with that. I'm low volume, asking me to lower my donation , is asking me to see you for free.  
If you have been in the hobby all the screening resources are still there. New people, that's a different story. Just a different screening process..
The amount of requests for a provider will pick up, once gentlemen know where to look.  
A visit with a gentleman, is an escape, fun, fulfilling... Let's keep it that way

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Drumguy25157 reads

Don't understand why guys are trying to lowball....
Even if the lady accepted... do they really think it would be a good experience?

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imanalias155 reads

Because they think they have the advantage. When in fact, they are screwed. Eventually they will bow to the changes and provide details or go to AMP spas on the street.

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TurbayVeronica158 reads

I have screen about 200 emails... 65% of them I would say are blacklisted, fake references. Just one I check last nite had:

-Rape & Gun point report (2)
-Complete apt and at the end hit provider, stole money and left
-2 reckless driving tickets  
-and he was arrested for possession of illegal substances....  

so.... that being said, I wont meet with someone with that record. I have to be comfortable, feel safe.. if the amp like to take a client with this record... be my guest, I wont.  

And no, I am not screwing myself... at all!

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imanalias151 reads

Wow, 200, that’s awesome. It’s fucked up now where the jerks have no place to go. They contact higher quality providers.  

Switter may bring you business but many are guys that don’t have BP or CL to count on. So you will be busy screening some of the worst, if they are nice enough to give RL PII, most wont.

So you’re working harder now. But at least you haven’t given up hope.

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TurbayVeronica157 reads

Business is the same.. if no better!  
Yes more non-sense inquiries but the good clients make up for it😉

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VIPDevonM148 reads

I agree. This type of screening should be done. If I was  in the hobbyists shoes, I'd be nervous if I wasn't screened.
I'd be interested on hearing the percentage of how many good experiences are had with a provider that screened thoroughly... Compared to an experience with a provider that didn't screen enough.  
We are all in this together.  
I do understand both sides want discretion. But, with that discretion comes uncertainty. It just the nature of the industry.

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Drumguy25145 reads

Thus far, but I did have to present photo I.D. to provider upon entry. Had to do it with another indie on initial visit.

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Sidney Starr157 reads

Many ladies are not on P411 and cannot get on it now. They are not accepting new US providers. Many ladies aren't on here anymore, many haven't figured out how rot get on and many won't. I for one am having issues getting here on my phone so definitely can't check whitelists of reviews that way.  Things are just different right now. Many ladies will want more information. Plus other sites of mention have been breached. If you think some ladies are asking for too much information now, well, just wait.

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TheNativesMan145 reads

technical then 411 asks to display ID with firstname, last initial, etc i.e. the info that make up the ID. Clients have right to TAPE up the rest of the information and cover it up. That being said, providers have every right to ask for everything they want as I do have the right to decline and Move On.

 
Thank you but I've also been doing fine so far without providing ID/BusinessCard/PII (NOT one time) and have not faced any issues, well nothing that 30+ okays within the past 1.5 years had not been able to fix :-) :-).  

 
There will always be a middle ground, some providers do minimum verification, most do a reasonable, some do extreme. Seems to follow the bell curve quite nicely.

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CJHug172 reads

Does P411 require a provider's real name so they can do a background check on them like they do the client?

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TurbayVeronica166 reads

and my ID as well

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CJHug161 reads

OK so following this thread I can definitely see why a provider would want a client's real name before she saw him. For the same reason I would want a providers real name before I saw her. I want to make sure she is not LE, has no prior felony or drug convictions, does not work for the Russian mafia, wasn't married to Mike Tyson, etc.. However I figure my chances of getting her real name are about zero. But I can't understand why a provider would be hypocritical enough to expect the client to give his. Now the Nativesman suggested that there is a middle ground. There is. So here is an analogy. When you buy a house or plane or big boat the SOP is you never give the seller the money until you have the title. On the other hand the seller is not about to give you the title until he gets the money. The bill is far to big for trust. So how is this handled? Through well established escrow companies. You, as the buyer give the money to the escrow company. When the seller is informed by the escrow company that the money is in fact in escrow the seller signs over the title and the escrow company gives him his money. OK, P411 is the established escrow company. I give them my real name and they background check me. The provider gives them her real name and they background check her. Now I, the client, and her, the provider, can close our deal. And as pointed out earlier, I can tape over the last name and street address on my driver's license, and P411 has provided the provider with my first name, my birth day, the first letter of the city I live in and the last four numbers of my drivers license number so she can ID me when we meet. It does not get any better than that. Yes P411 cost but you get what you pay for. I only date girls from P411. And to the lady who, on her web site, said she does not except P411 verification because "it is just a web site", well, I don't think we would have much of interest to talk if we met anyhow.

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TheNativesMan157 reads

Sorry about the LOTR play there...

Posted By: imanalias
Re: did you try contacting them though P411 messaging? (E)
No, I haven't. But perhaps I should do that. Once they started asking for PII, I dropped them without any follow up. Could care less about since I have multiple options readily available. The only reason I might PM them on 411 is to see if perhaps the person who handled my texts didn't know what he/she was doing.
Posted By: TurbayVeronica
Re: the thing is  
that you down have whitelist available or reviews.  
 So far I have not suffer on my work... so.... you can definitely move to the next. It wont bother me  
V
Feeling is mutual dear. Though surprised because I never asked for permission to Move On. :-)   Have always ignored providers who want PII and who seem to be running their own micro-411 system. Does not bother me one bit to ignore them.
Posted By: VIPDevonM
Re: Screening  
..I'd be interested on hearing the percentage of how many good experiences are had with a provider that screened thoroughly... Compared to an experience with a provider that didn't screen enough.  
I think it would depend more on chemistry rather than screening. Not sure how screening would affect experience. Screening might have an impact for the first few minutes when both parties are trying to build that rapport. But once clothes come off....
Posted By: SashaBenjamin
Re: Screening  
Lmao !!!!!!!  
   I agree with requesting RL information to Screen ONlY because I won’t see nor do I trust anonymous clients. Screening solely off of References and okays keep clients anonymous. Many clients love seeing providers while remaining anonymous, using burner phones and all. A clients information isn’t more important than the livelihood of the provider. Any client who thinks their information is more important than our safety shouldn’t be allowed to see providers. They should be deemed a threat and dangerous.  
   
 Personally, IDs aren’t required as a part of my screening. It’s optional. It’s given as a last resort when a person gives me false information To Screen with or the information given  isn’t verifiable. I’ve had clients send ID pics without me asking and those are the fastest screening processes ever lol  
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Dear - Your post seems to be all over the place since you state that ID is optional even though you place a great deal of importance of RL.  

 

In my opinion, when a provider sees a client with recent okays then screening is already done. You can go crazy and start collecting PII and re-invent the wheel but why? Could understand if client has no okays, no reviews/whitelist etc. not otherwise.

 
I think it is disingenuous to state that unless one provides PII, the screening is not thorough, extremely disingenuous. Just because a provider accepts 411 okays (and does not need PII) does not make that provider as someone who does not screen. Extremely disingenuous.

 
There is a reason why 411 has worked so nicely and providers who didn't join previously are now lamenting that decision.

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VIPDevonM149 reads

Okays aren't all the same.
Some give okays for different reasons.  
Whether it be to validate they saw the person,  if the appointment went well, and others use okays for both.
A provider reference regarding in okay can be very helpful. ( I recognize every experience is different.)

There's a lot to read behind that okay. Haha  
The site does their initial screening. But, in an industry where there are so many uncertainties, I  don't take one screening process as a thorough process. Screening for me, is  completely about  safety.  
Yes, the screening process  gives little clues to a possible chemistry match.. For me chemistry can only be determined once we are in the same room.
To summarize, screening isn't the fun part of the experience.  
But, it makes the experience so much more fun, when there are less doubts and worries running through the back of my mind or yours.  
I speak for most ladies, we wish there wasn't the need for screaming. It would be so so much easier, to just set up a visit and have fun. So, please bear with the lady that does a little extra.
,,, I didn't mean to write that much. Haha! It's so easy to do, when using voice to text.

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VIPDevonM157 reads

The need for "screening" not screaming. Lol!  
Gotta love auto correct. It's almost like it had a Freudian slip:)

Posted By: VIPDevonM
Re: One post to reply them all...
Okays aren't all the same.  
 Some give okays for different reasons.  
 Whether it be to validate they saw the person,  if the appointment went well, and others use okays for both.  
 A provider reference regarding in okay can be very helpful. ( I recognize every experience is different.)  
   
 There's a lot to read behind that okay. Haha  
 The site does their initial screening. But, in an industry where there are so many uncertainties, I  don't take one screening process as a thorough process. Screening for me, is  completely about  safety.    
 Yes, the screening process  gives little clues to a possible chemistry match.. For me chemistry can only be determined once we are in the same room.  
 To summarize, screening isn't the fun part of the experience.  
 But, it makes the experience so much more fun, when there are less doubts and worries running through the back of my mind or yours.  
 I speak for most ladies, we wish there wasn't the need for screaming. It would be so so much easier, to just set up a visit and have fun. So, please bear with the lady that does a little extra.  
 ,,, I didn't mean to write that much. Haha! It's so easy to do, when using voice to text.

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Private Liaisons186 reads

So that is why we are rescreening all clients who have used it.  We can't rely on it anymore as effective means of screening.  If you guys are having such a hard time giving up information, then don't whine and groan here.  Find someone who doesn't screen.

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AngelinaDDD165 reads

Exactly.  Why whine because someone wants to feel safe when they see someone.  Plenty of girls out there who don't screen.  I wish you good luck with that.  LOL! Why some begrudges the right of someone to be safe is beyond me.  Screen like your life depends on it, because it does.

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imanalias167 reads

+1 👍

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TheNativesMan177 reads

Posted By: AngelinaDDD
Re: Preferred411 is taking off agencies at the end of the month
Exactly.  Why whine because someone wants to feel safe when they see someone.  Plenty of girls out there who don't screen.  I wish you good luck with that.  LOL! Why some begrudges the right of someone to be safe is beyond me.  Screen like your life depends on it, because it does.
Funny, how one person does not understand the post and replies and another just blindly follows :-)

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imanalias187 reads

What are you talking about? The post mentions how agencies are getting booted and how guys are crying about screening process, what did I miss that you saw?

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Drumguy25166 reads

They must be keeping that tidbit of info to themselves and the agencies. I've not heard of this change.

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TheNativesMan166 reads

Posted By: Private Liaisons
Re: Preferred411 is taking off agencies at the end of the month
So that is why we are rescreening all clients who have used it.  We can't rely on it anymore as effective means of screening.  If you guys are having such a hard time giving up information, then don't whine and groan here.  Find someone who doesn't screen.  
   
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No-one is groaning or whining here. Read the above posts and you'll find that I already moved on to another girl and didn't even bother with Flawless. Same goes for any agency or independent.

 
As long as you're still on 411 and can get clients verified then am not sure why you still need their PII. But hey, good luck to you on getting PII from all your clients.  

 
But I guess people just want to read what they want to read. :-)

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VIPDevonM198 reads

This is a discussion, be kind....just like the others on this thread have been to you.

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