As a hobbyist I often wonder how I would conduct business if I were a provider.
First, I would only see clients who had an online screening profile with real name, age and verifies.
I would check DL upon meeting all new clients.
As a client the biggest worry for me is being blacklisted. Having bad blacklistings associated with your name, phone number, e-mail address, review and/or screening id is a huge problem for hobbyists who aim to visit top providers.
Most of us would do anything to avoid this. If blacklists were properly used the entire hobby would be much more civilized.
I JUST DID A BLACKLIST SEARCH AND FOUND NO REPORTS FOR HIS TER ID????????? WTF??
So this trip for me was going absolutely wonderfully. I had all of my clients show up and most of them even brought me gifts. I'm leaving tomorrow morning, and I saved the entire day today for one client who booked a 3 hour appointment. His TER username is NEURONDOC.
He left the envelope and headed out the door. I literally sprinted to the envelope, ripped it open, and ran out the hotel room in 5 seconds flat. He wasn't in the hallway, so I sprinted down 6 flights of stairs and never saw him again. If anyone wants his info- PLEASE PM ME.
I promise that I will never return to DC again. You guys really need to get your act together. There's a reason why you're always complaining about the lack of girls. I'm sorry for everyone who wanted to see me this trip, and that I could not see you because I was already booked. I'll be in Vegas or New York from now on.
Common Cent$ would dictate to count or at least verify it's not an empty envelope before providing 3 hours of your time to a first-time client. I am sorry it happened but it could have been prevented with a little due-diligence on your part and now you're blaming and taking it out on DC as a whole.
He left the envelope and headed out the door. I literally sprinted to the envelope, ripped it open, and ran out the hotel room in 5 seconds flat. He wasn't in the hallway, so I sprinted down 6 flights of stairs and never saw him again. If anyone wants his info- PLEASE PM ME.
I promise that I will never return to DC again. You guys really need to get your act together. There's a reason why you're always complaining about the lack of girls. I'm sorry for everyone who wanted to see me this trip, and that I could not see you because I was already booked. I'll be in Vegas or New York from now on.
didn't check the envelope until after the date was over??? someone was ripped off the same way few weeks ago.
in this case, was the envelope empty? post isnt clear. if it wasnt, isn't it like a NCNS?
He left the envelope and headed out the door. I literally sprinted to the envelope, ripped it open, and ran out the hotel room in 5 seconds flat. He wasn't in the hallway, so I sprinted down 6 flights of stairs and never saw him again. If anyone wants his info- PLEASE PM ME.
I promise that I will never return to DC again. You guys really need to get your act together. There's a reason why you're always complaining about the lack of girls. I'm sorry for everyone who wanted to see me this trip, and that I could not see you because I was already booked. I'll be in Vegas or New York from now on.
no longer worthy of your visits? Sorry, makes no sense to me. Your DC experience was great until this one guy stiffed you so the whole place is bad? Seems to me you didn't check the donation which you surely know you should do. I'm sorry for your troubles, but you need to accept that in this business there will be occasional attempts to rip you off, so you have to be protective & make sure the $$$ are there before you begin. In any event, you certainly shouldn't write off an entire city because you stumbled across one bad guy There are tons of guys here who would never treat you that way.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do. I just don't like the implication that one bad guy means DC is bad. Your sample size is incredibly tiny!
This is a VERY common occurrence in DC. I'm constantly reading about it on the PO board. It was a lose-lose situation. If I ask for the money and count it upfront, I get a bad review or negative comments written about me. If I never mention the money, then I'm a good little girl and I better pray that I actually get paid.
This is not my first negative experience in DC. I was really surprised that the days before this one were great. When there are fewer assholes in DC I'll think about coming back.
Guys, why are you wasting all your time on some comments by an immature 22 year old? Sweetheart, good please don't come back!
"When there are fewer assholes in DC, you'll think about coming back"?? You'll be waiting a long time then! This is DC, sweetheart. Republicans, Democrats, and Lobbiests, oh my! Every time I open my paycheck I see how much I'm ripped off by these assholes. And come Jan. 1, we are all gonna be ripped off even more by them. So... good luck with that.
I was in L.A. over Thanksgiving, and was pleasantly surprised by the people out there. Driving on those freeways may seem like a nightmare but it's strictly because of the volume of cars, the drivers themselves are nowhere near as aggressive and reckless as in the DC area. People were considerably more well-behaved in restaurants and shopping areas (though I got an elitist vibe from a lot of them). Not sure what it is about this area that breeds this mentality, maybe it's the politicians, but I've certainly heard this exact complaint about DC a lot.
power hungry professionals and city dwellers that don't make you feel particularly welcome.It's worse in Manhattan though.
with that statement. bad review or negative comments for counting money? what kind of jackass does that?
Maybe the manner in which it's done might offend some but I would vote for ALL hobbyists to ignore such nonsense in a review.Guys if we can't agree to excuse the ladies for this simple formality we might as well start swinging from the trees like our ancestors.
Give me a friggin' break!
honey ive never gotten a bad review for counting my donations.
and truth be told all my lovely clients know me enough to know to spread the money infront of me if they feel odd about me counting it, but it gets done some how.
when ppl come into your space mama, its your rules and if someone reviews you poorly bc you counted donation before your session tell them to shove it. bc you CANT trust noone not even your best client or longest client.
This is not my first negative experience in DC. I was really surprised that the days before this one were great. When there are fewer assholes in DC I'll think about coming back.
Let me get this staight. You have had a good tour. No NCNS...no jerks. Then you book with a dude that I don't think any of us locals hve ever heard of . I've found no reviews ...no post in his history. And he rips you off so collectively DC gents need to get THEIR act together??
Did you check references for this guy. If so and 2 or 3 babes vouched for him I think maybe they ought to be the ones you are pissed at. You certainly didn't book with him because he has a solid history on TER....because he doesn't.
I'm sorry this happen to you. At the same time I could personlly care less if you return to DC or not. I think you are probably far more at fault here than the DC dudes that have absolutely nothing to do with this incident.
Would you like a list of other cities to avoid because some asshole ripped a girl off? It is a simple list : ALL CITIES !
Would you like a list of cities where clients have been ripped off? It's a simple list: ALL CITIES !
Again....yeah , it sucks. Learn from it. And hopefully the outstanding gents in LV & NY will be better behaved.
This is a great example of the attitude I'm talking about.
I've read it on this board multiple times, a sort of "you win some, you lose some" attitude. Some of the DC guys, including you it sounds like, have a skewed reality of what this job really is and means for us. When cancellations, NCNS, and stealing money from providers become the norm in a city- of course I'm going to stay away. I can promise you that I'm not the first person to stop visiting DC for these reasons.
Where is the downvote button? I've never seen you or attempted contacting you cause your not my type.
Additionally, I don't see where STP's response merits "this is a great example of the attitude I"m talking about" comment.
STP has been around for a long time as a hobbyist and he is merely pointing out the reality to you- it's your responsibility to verify a client and like everyone else here has stated, no history on this guy can be found. So you took a chance on a 3 hour appointment with a non-verified client, lost $1.2k of your rate- which is what your really pissed at- and then blame the rest of the DC guys and collectively lump us in with this bum? You're going to lump me in with this bum, then state we all have a skewed version of reality and should be sad you're not coming back?
Sweetheart- this business has providers and hobbyists coming and going every day.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out- and good luck to you in your future visits.
Sorry about 1 guy stole your money but definitely not all dc guys . Please do not come back .
I think Farrah has the absolute right to be upset. She provided a service and then proceeded to get ripped off. I don't blame her for being upset. So she waited till the end to check the envelope and this guy obviously did something mean and malicious cause he took off. Part of this hobby is an unspoken trust, and if some dude breaks and f's up the process we can't stand here and support this dude, we should be saying what a douche he is and support Farrah as she is the victim here not this dude! Or us for that matter, for her not wanting to come back!
Shady shit happens sure...but you can't blame the victim for not following whatever "protocol" to check an envelope. Give me a break guys.
I think all the responses were meant to help. It is one thing to be feeling upset and wanting to vent and another to be acting immature and blaming everyone for something one fucked up individual did. Yes. She has the right to be upset because she got scamed but that doesn't mean it is right for her to blame all DC gents because of what one guy did to her. She was clearly being immature and that would only prevent her from learning her lesson from this. I don't want to blame her because I know how she must be feeling now after what happened, but I hope she realizes herself that she should be as much to blame as the guy. That's the only way she will learn and avoid something like this from happening again.
There very much is a "protocol" to these things. Both sides have to take measures to ensure neither one gets ripped off. Check some of the reviews where the performance is a 1 (ripoff), you'll see in every case that the guy isn't thinking with his big head, finds some random girl on BP without reviews, and ends up spending his money for a girl to sit there and tell him that he paid only for her time and that escorting is illegal.
No disrespect to Farrah, I've seen her and she's a beautiful fun girl. But I always set the donation down and head to the bathroom to wash up, and a few times I've found that when I'm getting dressed to leave, the envelope is still sitting in the exact same position untouched. Yeah it's a nice gesture to show the girls trust us, but it opens yourself up to a situation like this.
Don't think for a second that any of us are supporting the ripoff client, I'm pretty sure if any of us had the chance we'd gladly put a lead pipe to his kneecap to teach him a lesson. And we're not necessarily trying to blame Farrah, things like this happen even with thorough screening. Most of what people have said is an attempt to prevent this from happening again and to get her to come back.
He left the envelope and headed out the door. I literally sprinted to the envelope, ripped it open, and ran out the hotel room in 5 seconds flat. He wasn't in the hallway, so I sprinted down 6 flights of stairs and never saw him again. If anyone wants his info- PLEASE PM ME.
I promise that I will never return to DC again. You guys really need to get your act together. There's a reason why you're always complaining about the lack of girls. I'm sorry for everyone who wanted to see me this trip, and that I could not see you because I was already booked. I'll be in Vegas or New York from now on.
Let me start by saying that I am sorry this happened to you and despite all the advice you are getting about avoiding this situation, the guy was still a dick.
But, since you are comfortable making generalizations about an entire metropolitan area based on this incident (or perhaps others you have heard about on the provider only board) then I feel like I need to share that providers are not the only ones who have to deal with the deceipt, bad planning, poor organization, etc. that comes with the territory. Best example I tell you is that I recently booked with woman who has virtually all 9s and 10s, was touring and clearly trying to drive business by multiple board posts. I made arrangements a week in advance, had multiple references and the verification was out of the way early along with multiple email confirmations and comments that my references had great things to say.
As has happened in the past, day of appt arrives and miraculously that window of time pre-booked a week in advance needs to be changed for an emergency with almost no notice. Emergency of course being the code word for "I got another appt request for a longer period of time or had a regular request that same time/etc." While I'm sure you don't think this comes close to the type of problem you faced I will just say that rearranging half of my day to allow for the travel to the location plus appt time only to be canceled last minute is also a sacrifice and huge frustration. If this only happened once it wouldn't be worth mentioning but since I have personally experienced this multiple times I know many others have as well.
THIS is where the "comes with the territory" comment comes from. It is not that we are all dicks but that we also regularly experience the shaft and know that unfortunately it will happen again despite making the precautions to avoid these situations.
Hobbying is a criminal activity, so you're going to run across some bad apples here and there, regardless of zip code; I realize that some guys are jerks and do stupid shit to turn ladies off the city (my ATF hasn't been here since July for exactly that reason), and we have a heightened LE interest in this area, but as us the case with anything, you have to play it safe, look out for yourself, and not assume the best out of anyone engaging in business with you- it's a numbers game- by how much do the "good" clients outweigh the bad? You let down your guard at the end of a successful tour, and "got got" by a snake- I'm sorry for that, but that dude no more represents me, than a provider who rummages through her client's pants while he's in the restroom represents you; I hope you reconsider your DC ban, if only for those who have seen you to revisit, but if not, I understand your DC PTSD (since TER loves acronyms lol)
He left the envelope and headed out the door. I literally sprinted to the envelope, ripped it open, and ran out the hotel room in 5 seconds flat. He wasn't in the hallway, so I sprinted down 6 flights of stairs and never saw him again. If anyone wants his info- PLEASE PM ME.
I promise that I will never return to DC again. You guys really need to get your act together. There's a reason why you're always complaining about the lack of girls. I'm sorry for everyone who wanted to see me this trip, and that I could not see you because I was already booked. I'll be in Vegas or New York from now on.
Like this could not have happened elsewhere? DC has all the crooks and saints live everywhere else. Like this could not have happened in Chicago, LA, NY, San Fran?
Don't come if you don't want to. We have plenty of beautiful locals and visitors.
My only comment is that I wish all guys excused themselves so ladies can discreetly secure the donation or at least not comment in a negative fashion when its checked in their presence. I know for myself the session will be much more relaxed and satisfying knowing that I'm spending my time with someone that respects me enough to not (essentially) steal pussy lol
myself to the bathroom to clean up, so she can count it and put it aside. Then let the fun begin.
That's what I try to remember to do as well, when my big head is functioning.
That piece of info should go in a FAQ or protocol somewhere.
...if you've checked it.
UNLESS he's a newbie (even then *sighs*) they know it needs to be checked and them being excused to the bathroom is our opening if you will to do so. I've had guys almost fight with me to NOT go to the bathroom to at least wash their hands & gargle with mouthwash it's ridiculous. IMO those are usually the ones who know what we're trying to get at. Never make her ask for it (the donation) or even HINT at it and go to the gotdamn bathroom after placing the donation down no matter how clean you swear you are.
Farrah honey always find a way to verify before the party really gets started. You can be the best GFE you can be AFTER you know the business part is taken care of. I'm nice too but i'm not too nice to get ripped off. I don't allow pay me after whether it's visit number 1 or 100.
Don't strike DC off your list just find a way to verify the $$$ (short of counting it in front of him) BEFORE, not after.
As unfortunate as it is, being ripped off from either side of the hobbyist/provider side of things is inevitable. If it's happen to you just once you're lucky.
To throw an entire city of potential clients under the bus because of one bad egg seems like bad business acumen. Just my 2 cents.
Good luck to you and I hope you find prosperity.
Years ago, when I started this hobby the very first girl I booked was off of Eros in Dallas. She showed up and said she needed to take the money to her driver. Silly me, left sitting on the bed with a woody - LOL. But I did learn and started using TER to check reviews. Thank god for P411 where everyone can feel safe. I hate that this happened to you, but you're having a bit of a knee-jerk reaction. Use P411 - it works for us all.
I say ladies check the envelope, if all goes well there is plenty of time after to help the people that this offends forget about it.
As a teen I had a girlfriend that often hooked up with guys for money. Well she did 2 buddies for a hundred bucks each. She got paid and left. Well, they followed her and actually stuck her up with a gun and demanded their money back. Moral of the story? Trust no one lmao.
once when she thought I shorted/ripped her off. It was when I was just out the door after the appointment was over.Luckliy, there was no one in the hallway.
The envelope was under her laptop.
Is that what you are implying?
read the post again.
for what this thief did. You did nothing wrong. you are a very wonderful provider. Keep doing what you like.
However, like others stated, from now on, you should COUNT your donations before the session.
I have seen Farah more than once, and I can personally vouch for her young, charming and beautiful look and personality. Sans few tattoos, she is someone I would be glad to date in real life, if I met her in a street or coffee shop. Treat her well. I hope you do come back. Good luck with whatever your future plans 
When I see well reviewed ladies I always excuse myself to the bathroom right after setting the envelope down. I think this is a good policy. You give the lady a chance to check it and so she can relax and focus on having funs.
Having said that, it is a different story if I see a lady with so so or no review. I would not turn my back at all. This is b/c of 1 bad experience. This one time, I saw a BP girl and when I came out from the bathroom, she complainted that there was 1 rose short in the envelop. Of course this was a lie. She spread the gift out on the bed to show me. I calmly walked over to the bed, picked up the gift and told her that I knew w/o a doubt that I put the right amount of gift in the envelop and that she had 2 choices: 1) I'd walked out with the rest of the gift in my hand and forget about the whole thing and I wouldn't cause any trouble for anyone or 2) I'd put the rest of the gift back down and she'd complete our appointment. She chose option 2) and the appointment actually turned out to be better than I had expected, especially under the circumstance. I was so lucky that time.
These days, this is my protocol when I see a lady with so so or no review (which is rare and far between.): After the initial make out session, both the lady and I will be assured by our own passionate actions that either of us is a LE agent. So and this point, there is no need to be so vague about the gift. I will at this point take the initialtive to spread the gift out in front of her, casually, while we continue our chat - still being cautious though, I am just showing her the spread but not giving it to her or saying a word about it at all.
As a hobbyist I often wonder how I would conduct business if I were a provider.
First, I would only see clients who had an online screening profile with real name, age and verifies.
I would check DL upon meeting all new clients.
As a client the biggest worry for me is being blacklisted. Having bad blacklistings associated with your name, phone number, e-mail address, review and/or screening id is a huge problem for hobbyists who aim to visit top providers.
Most of us would do anything to avoid this. If blacklists were properly used the entire hobby would be much more civilized.
I JUST DID A BLACKLIST SEARCH AND FOUND NO REPORTS FOR HIS TER ID????????? WTF??