I had the most disappointing session of my 7 years (and 4 cities) in the hobby with Victoria today.  CBJ, one cup and she tried to upsell.  I'm quite familiar with the YMMV concept but it was like Jeopcon was driving a Prius getting 60 miles per gallon and I was driving a Hummer getting 8 miles per gallon.  

RW  

As I mentioned in my review, when it came time for what I thought would be a great bbbj she kind of asked if she could grab a condom. Based on the reviews I knew that was not the typical case, so I told her I preferred without. She went ahead, but it did impact the mood.

Victoria also seemed to be in a hurry for me to finish, with a lot of "come on baby" (which is not my name) comments. Which also did not do alot for the mood.

Jeop is right. Karina and David are great, and they hire some great young ladies. Victoria was nice and I had an alright time, but it was the first time with this agency I walked away a little disappointed.

-- Modified on 8/5/2005 7:20:34 PM

For my own sake I hate it, but for your *support* I must issue a "me too", RW.  Minus the upsell part, I basically had an experience very similar to yours and jc's.  The gal is gorgeous, but it didn't go much further than that.  She told me she has only been in the business for three weeks and I guess it shows.  For me, no DFK, BBBJ or DATY (said she didn't like to be licked).  Big thing was the attitude.  Not that she was nasty or unprofessional, but it was clear to me that she didn't want to be there doing that.  Strictly a job was the impression I got.  I will issue a 9-6 in my review.  If she had more experience, the six might have even been lower.

-- Modified on 8/5/2005 9:42:00 PM

jeopcon gets better service because these
agencies, and this agency in particular, know
who he is.

They know he sees the girls early and posts mini
reviews.  They also know he has the most reviews
on TER and is therefore respected by the
community.  They would be crazy not to give the
girl a heads up as to his status before the
appointment.  A bad mini review from him can
cause a serious case of no bookings.

Logical theory MI or perhaps we should give Mr. Jeopcon the benefit of the doubt and recognize that practice does improve skills and chemistry does count.  Either way, these are classic examples that the term YMMV (which I like to think of as Your Money My View vice the usual acronym), does apply to this hobby!

I'm going to play devil's advocate here.  I know many of you don't like that but I'll make my point eventually.  

When these girls come to town they see a lot and I do mean a lot of guys.  In some cases, dozens.  You can bet on average a girl may see 8 a day, but I heard of one who was seeing 13 a day.  Certain girls from certain agencies have become quite popular recently.  So while they're raking in the cash, they're also working their asses off.  Regardless of the money this is a taxing job for these girls.  Think about it, if you had to service that many people in a given week, do you think you would attack pussy #50 with the same enthusiasm as you did pussy #1 or 2?  Say what you will, but I think the answer is going to be no.  Because over the course of all those people you would have to service, you're going to see fat, skinny, attractive, freakshow ugly, and everything else you can imagine.  It will wear you out trying to make them all happy and not lose your lunch at the same time.  And by the time number 50 comes along, you're just not going to care anymore.  Now some of you will say that if they're exhausted they shouldn't take the appt.  That is true.  In a perfect world that would be the case.  But none of us really knows if that's an option many of these girls have.  We don't know the full nature of the relationship these girls have with their employers.  Additionally, many may not realize that their performance is going downhill.  You get stuck in one room for days at a time and your concept of time will deteriorate rapidly.  

Some of you may think that Jeopcon1 gets special treatment because the agencies know who he is.  Maybe he's just aged well and takes care of himself.  YMMV is always the rule regardless.  Maybe he washes his ass right before each appt.  Or maybe he's just well mannered.  Maybe he's a combination of all of the above.  If that's the case, it's easy to see why he always has stellar sessions.  Most girls like the idea of banging clean, attractive, well mannered guys.  But from what most tell me, it's the clean aspect that is most important.  And I've had several mention to me lately that a lot of guys don't seem to get it.  Especially when dealing with an eastern european girl.  How do you know you're going to get lucky with an eastern european girl?  She tells you she's going to take a shower.  They are crazy about cleanliness before fucking.  

Now many of you will be quick to say this is a business and we are the customer, etc.  But then these same people will complain when a girl acts businesslike and mechanical.  But here's the thing.  You can't change the way the girls are.  You can improve your odds by being clean.  The only other thing you can really do is consider at what point in their tour they are.  I too wanted to see Victoria.  But I knew she was quite popular.  I had free time near the end of her tour.  I didn't bother to call because I knew that even if I were to get a slot, I would probably be disappointed.  Maybe I'll see her next time around, and early on in her tour.

I'm not sure about EB, I just don't think he has
that kind of pull in the NYC market.

Are you trying to say that these agencies don't
know who you are?

The big fish brings in the little fish.  

You only have to get the big fish to make money on the little fish.

We are all the little fish, so we should stop expecting BIG fish treatment.

...where do bald fish fit into the equation?

Thank gawd THIS time you weren't using ME as an example.

 As for the notion (which you are correctly trying to dispell) that I would follow your advice like some sort of Pied Piper, well that's just as obsurd as the notion you would follow mine.  I all ready know you're not going anywhere NEAR my kinky women...LOL

JT, what then make one a "big fish"?  Does one have to pay rates like Elle requires in the 2K range?  AFAIC, the going rates are what top surgeons and lawyers make on an hourly basis.  I believe that constitutes "big fish" rates.  IMHO, if one pays big fish rates, they should be able to COMMAND big fish treatment, muchless EXPECT it.

That why we luv'em jeep.  The best ones are able to do this.  That's why they're the BEST, and why we use TER to try to find them.

That factor could depend upon who initiated the job change, jeop.  If the agency asked her to leave that could be consistent with less than top notch service.  If SHE initiated it, one would think she would be hopefully optimistic about a better future in a new situation of her choosing.

 I saw her on her last day here.  However, it was in the early afternoon.  Hence she probably had only one or two appointments prior to mine that day.  Much more likely as a factor was the fact that she was "under the weather" a bit that day.  On tour, I suspect these gals have to work regardless of whether they are in tip-top shape.  Not really a good situation for the provider or the hobbyists.

 In talking with her, I know there were other factors as well.  I don't think it is appropriate that I disclose those here.  Let's just say I have my doubts as to whether this business will work out for her.

-- Modified on 8/6/2005 10:11:38 PM

I'm coming in late on this conversation, but I had a very disappointing session with an ULTR-GFE girl as well. Check out my upcoming review on Zia (not posted yet). I'm not trying to slam ULTRA-GFE or even the girl herself, but it is at least noteworthy that others are having similiar experiences.

To the D.C board.. You tend to create trouble on whatever board you post on..I haven't forgotten that Boston post a couple of weeks back on outing a guy.

1. Check the ISO board.  That guy has now posted
with his real handle.  If you can't find the most
recent post do a search for the term bareback.
Someone from my neighborhood has linked to his
new post from the NY, Boston and Philly boards to
warn the community.

2. I have and will continue to post as I see fit.
Boards have moderators.  After that, its a free
for all.  HA HA.


-- Modified on 8/7/2005 5:56:10 AM

I hope our mod keeps a close eye on you.. You are trouble. So put that in your pipe and smoke it..

Most of the girls you want to "see" are the drop gorgeous ones right? The ones you cannot even get a glance towards you in an everyday experience, reason you pay for it. Money is power and gives you the access to the best candy around.
Now, most of these girls are also new and not very experient. They come to the business because of the money, the dinero, the pesos. They are not interested in you at all, probably most of the time disgusted that they have to endure a full day of old, fat, hairy, ugly dicks, who wants to stick their tongues down their throats and expect that they act like a true girlfriend who is enjoying him like he's the Prince of Persia.
Hello??? a reality check please??? These girls are HUMANS and cannot offer the SAME shit Jeopcon gets to everyone.
I've met Jeopcon and he's a guy who aged very well. He's handsome, cultured, very well groomed and easy to handle. He's a piece of cake. He can road test any new girl offered by any agency and these girls will be happy to be with him.
You guys need to understand that when a girl look into being an escort, she looks at these websites, all glamourous and shit and say..."oh I can do that, I look better than her".
She thinks she will be meeting guys like Jeopcon every day, when in reality she will ended up with ogres and trolls.
So, do NOT expect the same service he gets, unless the girl has some experience and learned to pass over guys looks or other things that do not make them desirable at all.

My 500 pesos

Before coming on the board and whine because they don't get the SAME as you did, these guys should undress and take a good look at themselves in the mirror, smell their armpits and closely exam their ballsacks and dicks. Open their mouths and breathe on their hands and smell it. It stinks because your teeth is rotted or you have gengivitis?  Ask themselves the question "can I pick up hot chicks looking like I do?" and if the honest answer is NO, them be happy that the hot chick spent time and gave him a reasonable session and didn't tell him to take a hike instead.
Jesus, is not YMMV is just reality. Hot chicks gives better sessions to better looking and groomed guys. Age is not a factor, because there are many hot looking guys in their 50s that can give a run to any 30 year old. Is just a matter of taking care of your body and present yourself in an attractive and desirable way too.

-- Modified on 8/7/2005 10:48:27 AM

Please;you are not old..I am still trying to figure out the retirement date/number..lol

Without seeing someone..There would be APB on you..lol I would be asking slipry for a pulse on you..Is he ok??

Always right. Give it a break whoever you are. We don't like to be told we are wrong all the time by an alias.. Go away..

And my dick has been described as just right to above average on many occasions.  The dentist compliments me on what beautiful teeth I have(which means a lot coming from the dentist.)  I bruch my teeth before an appt, and constantly pop Listerine pocket paks until the minute I walk in the door.  And luckily for me, my body type is one that can hold extra weight without really showing.  I can understand that oral hygiene is important because even I have a hard time kissing a girl with fucked up teeth.  I'll be the first one to admit that I need to hit the gym, do some sit-ups, and drop a little weight.  

But I usually have pretty good seesions with most of the ladies I see for one reason.  I've been saying it a lot lately.  If I have a 6 PM appt, I don't show up wearing the same clothes I had on at 7 AM.  I'll put on fresh clothes.  I take a shower, and put myself together like I would if I were to go out with the intention of getting some ass from a square chick. For some that may not be an option and I really don't know what to tell you.  When I go into an appt, I know a couple of things beforehand.  She's done guys with bigger dicks, and ones with smaller ones.  She's seen guys who are morbidly obese, and guys who are rail thin.  About the only variables I have control over are how clean I am, and how I conduct myself.  And most of these girls, no matter how good looking they are would rather be with someone who is average looking, yet clean, and well mannered as opposed to someone who is a handsome asshole, who has spent the day outside digging ditches.

-- Modified on 8/7/2005 12:13:01 PM

-- Modified on 8/7/2005 12:15:10 PM

Ok Mr.Info,if I am wrong,I am wrong.. Just don't nit-pick ok..I will leave you alone.

or because the guy happens to be a prolific poster or reviewer. In most cases is because how the guys are physically.
I've met highly respected posters and reviewers who are disgusting and stinking with their bodies falling apart. The board is power for them, they think because they are Mr This or Mr That they deserve to be treated like long lost lovers.
Do I book them again? nope. I know being reviewed by them would make my bank account grow but, thank God, I'm well established with a nice clientele and I don't need their reviews to boost my business.
I know how certain agencies works as well, they have a silent agreement with the same guys so they get all the new girls for free in exchange of reviews posted here and other places.
That's the way the world goes around and no one can change that, specially in an illegal trade like ours.
But, jeeeez the past few threads I just see guys complaining about the girls and I got a bit fed up with it. I'm not taking sides just telling the truth. I was a newbie Ho once and I can deeply relate with this thread.
Sorry if I pissed some people off but, hey, deal with it.

-- Modified on 8/7/2005 11:53:38 PM

Since this was my post I feel the need to respond here, the only thing correct about your statement is that it was not favoritism from the agencies for Jeopcon.  It had nothing to do with my looks or cleanliness as I am 33 years old, in excellent physical condition and I showed up freshly showered, and dressed in a suit.  This was simply a case of a provider who probably stayed 1 day to long and got burnt out. I was not complaining that Jeopcon got better service.  I was simply informing others that the level of service has changed as the week went on and others have stated the same thing. It was not a rant against any other provider or an expression of my so called power.  If you re so disgusted with the guys on this board then maybe you should look for a new profession.

Also, while we are on the subject Mr. Info, anyone with half a brain could not really believe that Jeopcon gets better service from a provider because of who he is.  Providers and agencies would not last long if that were the case.  Most providers I know give the same high quality performance regardless of client.  Chemistry may come in to play, the name of the client does not.

-- Modified on 8/7/2005 3:50:05 PM

I would have gotten shot if I left the house at 10 or 11 pm with a suit on.. Think casual buddy, you might have scare her..lol

and if you think it scared her, you should have seen the reaction of the front desk clerk/// lol

On the subject.. I have started to have a backup plan because of the no-shows/no calls. It happens to all of every once in a while.

It seems like you are saying most of the guys that visit ladies are "ogres and trolls". If that is the case I am surprised any one would stay in this business, no matter how much it payed.

I am one of the guys that did not hit it off as well with Victoria. I prefer to think that a lot of it has to do with chemistry. I was not real attracted to Victoria, which she probably sensed and it likely impacted her performance. Jeop and I have had similar great experiences with some ladies, have had a few where he hit it off better and there have been a few where I have had a better time. I think part of it is because we are attracted to slightly different types of ladies. To say jeop is going to have a better time than the rest of us with new girls because he is handsome and well mannered is a slap at the rest of this board.

I also do not agree that most "drop gorgeous ones" are ladies that are new to the business. I could list dozens of drop dead gorgeous providers who have long lists of reviews. These generalizations, oh I am sorry, these TRUTHS don't seem to have much basis.

By the way, I don't think I am ogre or troll like. Like many of the guys on this board I believe that to have a really great time it helps to build a connection, and trying to keep in shape and well groomed only helps. As far as being well cultured and mannered, us poor slobs can only do the best that we can.

I have found that the best back up plan for the no-shows or no-calls is to do just that, BACK UP. Keep the $$$ for another day.

I've met two regulars on this board and they were far from being the troll & ogre type.  Both were well-groomed, attractive, intelligent, nice, physically fit and easy-going guys.  Good teeth, no problem with the hygiene that I noticed etc.  I think anyone who knows anything about me would know this is an objective opinion.  I've also seen photos of three other posters on this board and they were pretty much normal to attractive looking men and come across civil or better on posts and PMs.  

I speak pretty openly with a couple providers who have become friends and they have to told me there's a range of guys they see and that a fair number of them are normal to attractive in appearance and manner...particularly the married hobbyist, which is the prevalent type on this board.  They are both very honest people who are frank with me about other things in this business, so I believe what they've told me to be true.

I don't blame you for being offended by BackDoorGirl's remarks.  It's clear she obviously doesn't have alot of respect for hobbyists and doesn't mind telling the "truth" in an offensive way.  It reminds me of the times guys decide to declare a statement of "truth" about providers say, lying about their age and photos, drug-abusers, STD-carriers, flaky etc.  There's an element of truth in these kinds of statements because it does apply to some people, but these generalizations paint *everyone* with the same broad stroke that turns them into stereotypes.  Hello, f'd up, flaky lying alcoholic ho, please meet fat, old, ugly, stinky john.  

Lots of us on both sides of the fence don't fit the stereotypes.    I could think I'm so very special and different, wow I must be cream of the crop...but realistically, I know that the stereotypes here are like any other kind of stereotypes: they are but one ugly picture that attempts to exclude everything else at the cost of truth.

She meant the post as a compliment to Jeop.. Sometime we say one thing and it means something else. I will take her post at face value and let it go.. No need to get in a he say/she say conversation and have hard feeling on the wording of her post. Just my .02

-- Modified on 8/8/2005 2:23:55 AM

At least you got an appointment. When I called the last time she was in town, I got voice-mail, and then when I was called back, I was told she wasn't in, but I would be called back when the appointment was confirmed. Then I was asked my nationality and after telling, waited for the return call which never came. Finally figured it wasn't coming, so I have crossed them off my list.
My .02 worth.

The only part of the post I agreed with was the part complementing Jeop. From my dealings with jeop, and from what I have heard, he fully deserves the complement. However, I am still offended by the rest of the comments. I don't like to get involved in these types of conversations on the board, I prefer talking about the great ladies of Washington/Baltimore, but in this case I could not send a pm to the poster.

Read them all, BD, and then tell me her purpose is only to compliment jeop.  She had some pretty negative things to say about hobbyists in general.

JC, it's due to that damn Capitol One.  Thanks to them, we can't have fun PILLAGING anymore.  So we took up HOBBYING instead!  It's just been so dern hard to ADJUST...LMAOROTF

I came in on the back end of this thread and I only person I wanted to get rid of was Mr. Info..lol I will go back and read the whole thread.

and none of you peddles your asses to men everyday, do you?
If you feel offended because I called some guys ogres & trolls, well, so be it.
Over the years, I've met very nice people, inside and out, and I've met guys I would not look twice if they were not paying me.
But, when I started, I've met nasty board "personalities" and had to fake I was enjoying because I knew if I expressed my real feelings, I would get slammed and rated real low, ruining my livehood. Many times I scrubbed myself raw and used a full bottle of listerine after they left.
That's the reality of this business, you wanted or not. Not every guy looks like a Prince, there are lots of frogs out there.
But, I've learned how to deal with all and overlook things that I would not accept in a man for myself.
Today, I have a reputation established and I can avoid and object to see people I don't feel comfortable with. And I don't fake either.
I have 9s and 10s, but also I have 6s and 7s. Amd you can guess why I got 6s and 7s. Because I didn't perform for them the same way I performed to the others. Why? well you have the answer on my previous posts.
I know I was going to get flamed, reason I posted under an alias.
People don't like to hear the truth.


-- Modified on 8/8/2005 4:10:52 AM

All other things being equal (as they rarely are), external looks are a "tie breaker" for me.  However, sexual pleasure is 90% mental.  Some people need looks to stimulate them mentally and sexually.  Some of my BEST experiences have been with BBW's and such that much of present day American culture would not take a second look at (as you put it).  One of my very best BDSM switch sessions was with a gal who most people would say was capable of "busting most ugly meters".  If you look at my reviews, several show gals who looked great and gave very lousy performance.  Others show the reverse.

   My point in all this?  Well, I stated it above.  It's all about attitude.  The cliche is worn out.  However it is very true that some see the same glass as half full while others see it as half empty.  The former is a positive outlook while the latter is a negative one.  Time and again it has been proven that life works out much better for people who have positive outlooks.

   Just look at our culture's TV, magazines, movies, and such.  They all preach the doctrine of external beauty.  Not to overgeneralize, but I feel younger people have been more exposed to this doctrine in their formulative years and have seen little to refute it.  There are some very notable exceptions, but in general I don't have as good a time with younger providers as those over 30 (or at least over 25).  If jeopcon "delivers more of the goods" that they want, more power to him.  I don't worry about that.  I play the hand that I have been dealt and make the best of it (and have done a pretty good job of it too, if I don't say so MYSELF).  

    For me, true beauty has ALWAYS come from within.  I rapidly pick up on the existence (or lack thereof) of true beauty.  I suppose that comes from six decades of experience with life.  I enjoy having sex with gals who have TRUE beauty.  If they also have external beauty, that is just icing on the cake.  Those that ONLY have external beauty and negative outlooks are a waste of time for me.

Just as if a male hobbyist posted about providers in comparable terms like "skanky fat pigs" for example.  His personal experience might be that "skanky fat pigs post old, lying photos and flake out."  Yeah, maybe that's truth to him but he's going to get ripped for using insensitive language, which is exactly what you did.  It wasn't just some guys....your words definitely made it sound like you meant most guys and you specifically included board personalities.  Well, of course the guys here are going to think you are insulting them.  I would be too, in their shoes (only reason I'm not exactly included is because you were specific on the gender).

For the record, I wouldn't care if you were my favorite provider, I'd still criticize you stepping over the line on civility.  That civility applies to all, not just the men.  Also, I hate to break it to you, but your writing style is pretty distinctive and I wouldn't be surprised if people know who you are.

I'm sorry you had some bad experience with some board "personalities" but I don't know why you would think your business would hinge on them when there are hundreds of providers who never read TER posts and don't give them special treatment and vice versa the majority of hobbyists who don't read TER or if they do browse the reviews not the board postings.  Plenty of men read ads like Eros and just pick up the phone or go through another board's reviews.

Seems to me you are unhappy with alot of what you've experienced and because of it you have little respect for the men who hobby and do a pretty good job of insulting them.  You're entitled to your opinion but if you're going to be tactless, expect to be called on the carpet for it regardless of your past experiences or desire to express the "TRUTH".  If you are more civil about your points, you might find them better received.  Constructive criticism's been well-received here too.

Being an escort is not as glamorous. On the boards you just get the tinted view from colored glasses. I was not trowing stones to the present personalities of this board. This is not the only board in the Planet. I was talking about some other times and other places, way back in the past. I just posted my opinion because the original poster was blaming the girl. And I didn't think it was fair. I know, I should mind my own business, but sometimes I can't and I need to express how I feel. Sorry if some of you took my words in a personal way. It was not my intention to hurt your feelings.

Following is just one of the many negative comments you made about hobbyist in general:

"They are not interested in you at all, probably most of the time disgusted that they have to endure a full day of old, fat, hairy, ugly dicks, who wants to stick their tongues down their throats"

You were not talking about one or two guys, but hobbyist in general. I think every guy on this board should be offended (except for my buddy jeop).

If I made extremely negative comments about providers in general, and then told them they should face the TRUTH, then I would be rightfully attacked on this board. But, honestly, if I felt that way about most providers I would never hobby again.

-- Modified on 8/8/2005 6:56:59 AM

a typical ad says things like "who will light up your life and leave you desperately needing more... " and "book your appointment early.  
You will be very pleased that you did!" It doesn't go on to say "if I feel like it" or "if I haven't already seen 12 clients today" etc., etc.

Granted I'm sure there are some rather unsavory cleints providers have to deal with, but that's part of the game right? My guess is most of the guys are reasonably attractive, reasonably fit men. After all, it takes a certain amount of disposable income to indulge in this hobby, and generally people who have that kind of income take better care of themselves.

I am one not so offended by your comments. As it appears, you have had more then your share of bad experiences that has come out here when you are talking about being honest.

If you were to share your honesty as to why you are in this biz, what would it be? It's all about the money right? Or maybe not? Are the greater percentages of those you see so vulgar and repulsive? Or is it that you had too many frogs this week, or you see all hobbyist as frogs?

Are you angry with yourself for having to lie and fake it though the experience and  when in bed with those frogs -  even if the majority are nice, if not in appearance, at least in personality.

It is a good thing you used the alias - but I doubt your honesty would have been so open and forth coming if you were exposing your true identity.

I feel you are seriously troubled, not just being open, honest and forthcoming with your opinions and views on this hobby. I felt pain and anguish when I read your posts, for that I am sorry you have to live with yourself no matter if you quit today or never, it will always be with you.

I frequently wonder how providers manage day by day. It is no doubt all see the less desirable, less attractive. I mean what else can those frogs and repulsive men expect in life if it wasn't for this hobby, to go without? But I didn’t know there were so many – just how many we will never know I guess. But in your case, it is far more then you care to remember and if you had known this before getting started, you probably would have found a different career wouldn’t you?

How many guys would be able to do as well as the providers out there? Not many could fake it as well as you may have. Not many could bear the thought of going down on Grandma no less then making out with her.

It isn't something I see myself capable of overcoming if the shoe was on the other foot. However, maybe it is about the money, it isn't easy to make that much money in any profession – but I will never know will I.

Well Good Luck, I think you should at least let everyone know more of the percentages - it may still be offensive to some, but it is your body, mind, and soul we are talking about. And if it is your view that most of the hobbyist you see are disgusting, repulsive, frogs and ogres,  then I'm impressed with how well you can fake it or lie for someone as honest as you say you are... Maybe you should go to Hollywood and become an actress. Just show then your reviews as credit and testimony to how well you can act. I’m sure there will be a screen test or two practicing your best lines and acting skills. But if it pays really good and gets you out of this horrible hobby I’ll sleep well knowing you won’t have to live another day having the sleep with the frogs.