Anyone have any thoughts on this? I just sort of assume I'm safe from LE when hobbying because I see well reviewed providers and am always discreet about everything. But seeing this story made me nervous. I hear about stings from time to time but I don't ever recall hearing about a hotel manager "noticing something funny" and calling the police. How does that even happen? Really thin walls? Discussing prices? Meeting in the lobby? A small hotel? I tend to think the guy and/or girl just did something dumb but who knows. I'd like to think two call system where I just walk up, let myself in and begin is pretty foolproof but maybe I'm being naive.
Has anyone ever sensed this sort of thing might happen to them or have any thoughts about precautions?from any place in the US!!! hahaha!!!
What are the facts of the case? This seems very odd. Definitely need more details. Hotels don't have the right to know what goes on behind closed doors. I suspect that he admitted to something. That is the only way that I could see him getting arrested here. Either that or he did something that the hotel considered disruptive to their operations --- and police were called and questioned the lady and him. ???????
-- Modified on 4/5/2017 7:18:50 PM
could very well have been a number things unrelated to prostitution. Maybe they were looking into something else and stumbled on what they found. Or not. Who knows. The article is vague as fuck which is par for the course with cable news outlets. CNN is shit.
Seeing as they have infiltrated everything else.
It doesn't mention much so no idea what could've tipped the manager off.
Let's be mindful of the fact that many people do not know their rights in various circumstances with LE. You have a right to privacy in a hotel room, but not the same as your privacy at home.
At first I thought it was a knock and talk incident with LE but he was arrested while leaving. My guess as to what could've happened? Hotel management got a few complaints and/or noticed unusual traffic to/from her room (keep in mind, some hotels have hallway cameras). Management called police, who observed for a bit and made the arrest on probable cause.
The two call system works great. Honestly, all you can do is smartly exercise discretion and caution; know your rights and hope for the best!
Lots of info missing. Was escort arrested? Was the escort male or female? Where in MD?
Was the SA under surveillance? Way too many questions.
AP, Bloomberg, BuzzFeed, WaPo, New York Times, LA Times, Fox News ... there's a fairly long list of news outlets reporting pretty much exactly the same thing, a quick Google search would show that this is apparently all that's known right now. Not sure why you think that this is indicative of a problem with cable news.
I appreciate the thoughtful response, Michelle. You brought up some things I think about in terms of being discrete as well as some things I hadn't thought of but that make a ton of sense. Thanks!
1. LE is emailing/faxing escort ads and making in-person hotel visits to alert hotel management to potential escorts in the area. They do this in many locations in DC, MD and VA. They offer rewards for information. If your provider shows her face in a manner where she can be easily recognized, or if she has clearly visible tattoos or other easily identifiable attributes, she might have issues the minute she walks thru the door. I have seen the police - and even talked with a detective - as he was presenting such information to staff. Yep. I walked right up to the man and asked him what he was doing and why. He had no qualms speaking with me at length and telling me, as . . .
2. I'm a woman in my 40s. I was dressed in a business suit and was wearing a fake wedding ring. I project "executive". And I would never be on anyone's radar. If your provider looks very young, she may raise flags. As the detective told me, there is reason to suspect young women who seem to have a lot of money and can stay at expensive hotels with no real business purpose. BTW, they're also looking for young women at the lesser hotels, as that's where the drugs and trafficking occur most. Now don't just think this applies to young women. It doesn't. It applies to women who don't blend in. Drop dead gorgeous cover model type? Yes, she's going to be noticed in a hotel just like anywhere else. Wearing overly sexy clothing at check-in? The clerk noted it. Fact is, hotels get suspicious very quickly.
3. High volume will attract more notice than low volume. But low volume can also attract attention. Basically it's not wise for a provider to operate a revolving door. Appointments should be spread out.
4. Some walls are exceedingly thin. I'm often asking my friends to keep an indoor voice. Talking loudly? Believe me - the married lady in the next room with kids hears you. She does. So does the housekeeper outside the door. Now the illegal housekeeper won't say anything. But if that hotel is unionized and she's legal, she may very well speak up to get a reward. Providers and clients need to keep their voices down. How many moans in how many voices do you think it takes for that woman or staff member to pick up the phone?
5. I spoke about providers calling attention to themselves. Clients often do the same. Please don't loiter in the lobby or even in the parking lot. You are on camera everywhere. If you've never been to the hotel, ask that provider to walk you thru the floor plan before you get out of that car. Know where you're going. Look staff in the eye. Be confident. Look like you belong there. Don't bring flowers during the day when you're in a business suit! Don't draw attention to yourself!!
6. There's more to be added to this list, but I'm going to stop here. The REAL answer? Nothing in life is 100% safe. Nothing. We all try to mitigate risk as best we can, but don't kid yourself. You risk everything every time you do this. Guess what? You also risk getting killed every time you walk across the street. Risk is a part of life. So pay attention. Continue to see well reviewed providers. Do the best you can.
Hope that helps.
Michelle
Has anyone ever sensed this sort of thing might happen to them or have any thoughts about precautions?
So...could've been watching her room from that alone.
But as some others have said that article and others i've read are super vague other than the manager being suspicious about the room activity.
Has anyone ever sensed this sort of thing might happen to them or have any thoughts about precautions?
1. LE is emailing/faxing escort ads and making in-person hotel visits to alert hotel management to potential escorts in the area. They do this in many locations in DC, MD and VA. They offer rewards for information. If your provider shows her face in a manner where she can be easily recognized, or if she has clearly visible tattoos or other easily identifiable attributes, she might have issues the minute she walks thru the door. I have seen the police - and even talked with a detective - as he was presenting such information to staff. Yep. I walked right up to the man and asked him what he was doing and why. He had no qualms speaking with me at length and telling me, as . . .
2. I'm a woman in my 40s. I was dressed in a business suit and was wearing a fake wedding ring. I project "executive". And I would never be on anyone's radar. If your provider looks very young, she may raise flags. As the detective told me, there is reason to suspect young women who seem to have a lot of money and can stay at expensive hotels with no real business purpose. BTW, they're also looking for young women at the lesser hotels, as that's where the drugs and trafficking occur most. Now don't just think this applies to young women. It doesn't. It applies to women who don't blend in. Drop dead gorgeous cover model type? Yes, she's going to be noticed in a hotel just like anywhere else. Wearing overly sexy clothing at check-in? The clerk noted it. Fact is, hotels get suspicious very quickly.
3. High volume will attract more notice than low volume. But low volume can also attract attention. Basically it's not wise for a provider to operate a revolving door. Appointments should be spread out.
4. Some walls are exceedingly thin. I'm often asking my friends to keep an indoor voice. Talking loudly? Believe me - the married lady in the next room with kids hears you. She does. So does the housekeeper outside the door. Now the illegal housekeeper won't say anything. But if that hotel is unionized and she's legal, she may very well speak up to get a reward. Providers and clients need to keep their voices down. How many moans in how many voices do you think it takes for that woman or staff member to pick up the phone?
5. I spoke about providers calling attention to themselves. Clients often do the same. Please don't loiter in the lobby or even in the parking lot. You are on camera everywhere. If you've never been to the hotel, ask that provider to walk you thru the floor plan before you get out of that car. Know where you're going. Look staff in the eye. Be confident. Look like you belong there. Don't bring flowers during the day when you're in a business suit! Don't draw attention to yourself!!
6. There's more to be added to this list, but I'm going to stop here. The REAL answer? Nothing in life is 100% safe. Nothing. We all try to mitigate risk as best we can, but don't kid yourself. You risk everything every time you do this. Guess what? You also risk getting killed every time you walk across the street. Risk is a part of life. So pay attention. Continue to see well reviewed providers. Do the best you can.
Hope that helps.
Michelle
Has anyone ever sensed this sort of thing might happen to them or have any thoughts about precautions?
Before I check into a hotel/motel, attend a conference or meeting, or back in the day visit a provider I always cruise the parking lot and neighborhood. Even overseas. If I didn't drive I take a quick walk through the parking especially the lowest or top level of the parking. Vehicles used by LE or other authorities aren't that difficult to spot. Even if I am staying at a motel/hotel for a vacation I still do the same.
Just because you are seeing well reviewed provider doesn't mean she wasn't busted earlier in the day and isn't now helping LE with a promise they will go easy on her. You are still taking a chance. Also don't use your work computer, laptop, or work cell for your hobbying and be aware of any big international meetings etc....seems pretty likely with me. And he's on Mike Pence's detail? Mike Pence is the guy who says he would "never dine alone with a woman who is not his wife." I'm sure Pence has everyone on high alert to prevent any sort of appearance of scandal...and this guy gets snagged.
Arresting someone walking out of a hotel makes no sense. Especially if LE has no first hand knowledge of what happened in the room? Unless he was questioned but why? Did he confide in a buddy who turned him in? At least in my state walking out a hotel lobby door is not a crime. And actually, it's not a crime for a woman to have sex with the green bay packers so long as it's all in good fun. I'm not sure where they can find proof that money changed hands.
Only two people know what went on inside the room and at least from what we see no one knows what happened to the lady? Arresting him as he goes out the door? But not her in the room? Doesn't sound right. If he admitted something they would have turned around and arrested her too, don't you think? How bad was the suspicious activity in the room if they let her stay there? Makes no sense... I know the article says it wasn't a sting but we can't believe everything we read, can we?-- Modified on 4/7/2017 2:50:04 PM
As usual, excellent advice, Michelle.
Single women of all ages travel for business and stay alone in hotels. I think it's helpful for very young providers to be aware of how much they might stick out, both when checking in at a hotel, or showing up at a hotel for an outcall. Sneaking around and loitering without purpose can draw much more attention than just confidently walking in the front door, or even meeting your friend in the lobby or at the hotel bar.It's amazing how few facts are actually in the media reports, and other than using it as a cautionary tale to adhere to good screening and security, I'm not sure it's wise to draw too many conclusions.
It's pure speculation as to how much the agent was targeted or already under surveillance, and it's also unclear whether the manager had made previous calls or how "hot" the area is or was. It also seems very odd that the police would be able to make an arrest based on someone simply leaving a hotel room. I suppose someone could incriminate themselves after being arrested, but simply leaving a hotel room where an (alleged) escort is hosting doesn't necessarily lead to a smoking gun. But there's a whole bunch of other evidence (or testimony) that may or may not be in play, and the media reports don't have many details at all. (And of course, an arrest is different than a conviction, but that probably doesn't matter much for someone on Pence's security detail.)Outstanding comment.
1. LE is emailing/faxing escort ads and making in-person hotel visits to alert hotel management to potential escorts in the area. They do this in many locations in DC, MD and VA. They offer rewards for information. If your provider shows her face in a manner where she can be easily recognized, or if she has clearly visible tattoos or other easily identifiable attributes, she might have issues the minute she walks thru the door. I have seen the police - and even talked with a detective - as he was presenting such information to staff. Yep. I walked right up to the man and asked him what he was doing and why. He had no qualms speaking with me at length and telling me, as . . .
2. I'm a woman in my 40s. I was dressed in a business suit and was wearing a fake wedding ring. I project "executive". And I would never be on anyone's radar. If your provider looks very young, she may raise flags. As the detective told me, there is reason to suspect young women who seem to have a lot of money and can stay at expensive hotels with no real business purpose. BTW, they're also looking for young women at the lesser hotels, as that's where the drugs and trafficking occur most. Now don't just think this applies to young women. It doesn't. It applies to women who don't blend in. Drop dead gorgeous cover model type? Yes, she's going to be noticed in a hotel just like anywhere else. Wearing overly sexy clothing at check-in? The clerk noted it. Fact is, hotels get suspicious very quickly.
3. High volume will attract more notice than low volume. But low volume can also attract attention. Basically it's not wise for a provider to operate a revolving door. Appointments should be spread out.
4. Some walls are exceedingly thin. I'm often asking my friends to keep an indoor voice. Talking loudly? Believe me - the married lady in the next room with kids hears you. She does. So does the housekeeper outside the door. Now the illegal housekeeper won't say anything. But if that hotel is unionized and she's legal, she may very well speak up to get a reward. Providers and clients need to keep their voices down. How many moans in how many voices do you think it takes for that woman or staff member to pick up the phone?
5. I spoke about providers calling attention to themselves. Clients often do the same. Please don't loiter in the lobby or even in the parking lot. You are on camera everywhere. If you've never been to the hotel, ask that provider to walk you thru the floor plan before you get out of that car. Know where you're going. Look staff in the eye. Be confident. Look like you belong there. Don't bring flowers during the day when you're in a business suit! Don't draw attention to yourself!!
6. There's more to be added to this list, but I'm going to stop here. The REAL answer? Nothing in life is 100% safe. Nothing. We all try to mitigate risk as best we can, but don't kid yourself. You risk everything every time you do this. Guess what? You also risk getting killed every time you walk across the street. Risk is a part of life. So pay attention. Continue to see well reviewed providers. Do the best you can.
Hope that helps.
Michelle
Has anyone ever sensed this sort of thing might happen to them or have any thoughts about precautions?
More details were released this evening. People never learn....
He wasn't set up; he was unlucky. LE was staking out the hotel because of a complaint of suspicious activity. He walked right into a stake out. The police questioned him at another location after they followed him from the hotel. He gave them enough info to send them back to the provider and get a confession from her. Now he is really had. He had the right to remain silent and he might have had a better outcome if he said nothing. I don't think for one second that anyone knew about his appointment except him and the girl. He would have to be crazy to share his hobby plans with his secret service co-workers. Now his career is probably ruined, not mention being arrested and prosecuted like he's a real criminal. He saw the add on Backpage. The news didn't name Backpage by name, but their comments made it obvious.
Backpage is dangerous. Hotels/motels have eyes , no matter how careful you are-- Modified on 4/7/2017 7:10:26 PM
Actually that's not true. When you check into a hotel the agreement you sign states it will be used for personal and legal purposes. For the same reason a Hotel has an interest that you will not use one of their rooms as a point for the sale of drugs, they have the same reason to react if it is used for any other illegal activity. My suspicion is the lady stayed too long in the location and reports were made by staff or other guests. I mean really, numerous guys approaching one room and gently knocking on the door wouldn't raise some suspicions. That's the reason the smart providers have their own infall or move frequently.
He said he did not have sex with the provider because she looked like she was a drug user and not clean. The provider told LE had had sex with her. What a mess. Both of them should have told LE to talk to their lawyers.
Several local TV stations have reports on the court documents. It appears that the provider was operating from a Red Roof Inn with a clear view of the room doors from the parking lot. The Red Roof employees noticed the clients coming and going and called the cops, who set up a stakeout. The secret service guy then appeared and spent 12 minutes in the room. The cops followed him from the room and pulled him over. He reportedly told the cops that he found her ad on backpage, and went to the hotel to have sex with her but then left because she looked nasty. The cops then arrested the provider who told the cops that they did have sex. Obvious lessons here: sketchy providers use backpage, motels with doors visible from outside are risky, and you don't do yourself any favors by talking to the cops.
Makes sense. Probably a good idea to stay away from the Red Roof Inns, Motel 6's, Super 8's, Comfort Inn's, Quality Inn's, and other inherently seedy motels --- for a variety of reasons.
I suspect that generally speaking nobody cares that escorts are in hotels unless ...
1) there is a significant "incident" that draws unnecessary attention such as a significant argument or a drunk guy acting incredibly stupid or any number of other things, which results in surveillance (not formal law enforcement surveillance just management doing what they are supposed to do)
2) drugs are involved and management suspects that transactions are taking place
3) too many people going in and out of a room after 10 pm
4) anything else that could be disruptive to running efficient and effective operations
That theory sounds ok except the news report said hotel employees became suspicious and called the police. They set up a stake out and here comes the provider's 3rd customer. After they questioned him they went back to the motel and questioned her; and she was done for the day. She was charging 100 dollars at a low budget,( room entrance visible from the parking lot) motel. Backpage , low budget motels, and unstable providers are big trouble. This guy just blew it and walked right into a trap. His luck ran out. The cops caught big fish and the press wet their pants. Again he wasn't crazy enough to share his hobbying adventures with his co workers. In the secret service , that's asking to be fired.
Of course he was setup.
-- Modified on 4/23/2017 1:53:43 PM
You are probably right. Good insight.