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guy.ffx 13 Reviews 1661 reads
posted
1 / 15

Just a caution for clients (and providers) - there's a reason many keep it strictly business and I'm still waiting to see how I'll ultimately pay for my lesson for ignoring that approach. I met and got to know a younger provider (24 yrs. old. She responds to personals but does not post). Saw her twice over a period of a few weeks and got to know her. Unfortunately, that also meant she got to know me. The real me. We were friends on a couple of social sites, etc.

Learning more about her, I agreed to help her out a few times later financially to help with things like books for class, etc. It all seemed very friendly and supportive. And there was no reciprocation for this extra fiscal assistance. We were friends and I wanted to see her succeed. No expectation for repayment of any type.

And then the bomb drops. Apparently, my "friend" slipped and had a drug incident. She moved back in with her mother (she was living with her father) and confessed everything, turning over all her email and social media accounts for her mother's review. And she never deleted anything. As a result, I got a couple of wildly threatening emails from her mother promising to expose me.

Frankly, I don't care one way or the other. In the end, all she can expose is that I gave her adult daughter money and we hooked up a couple of times (welcome to relationships in 2014). But, still, who needs the drama? Fortunately, it's been a quiet couple of weeks, however, the thought of a vengeful mother is in the back of my mind with every phone call, strange email, and mail delivery. Even if you don't worry that much about being "exposed" it's certainly not a great way to live.

So, learn from my mistake. No matter how nice. No matter the connection. No matter how the friendship develops over the course of a few weeks or months, my advice is to keep it all BUSINESS. No real names. No real contact information. I feel more violated from this experience than from any traditional relationship. We knew each other for many, many months. She had a brain. And until this moment, I considered myself an excellent judge of character. Delete messages and texts (use a burn phone), Defriend or block each other from social media accounts, etc. Make it a challenge for a concerned friend, relative, or outsider to "do the math" should your connection slip and give up sanity for Lent at your expense.  

I do realize that many providers won't accept new clients without additional personal information. And for the true "pros" that's probably okay. However, I'll never give that level of trust to anyone again -- ever.  

As they say in The Godfather, (from now on) it's not personal it's strictly business.

-- Modified on 2/23/2014 1:54:45 PM

SinCitySinner 67 Reviews 890 reads
posted
2 / 15

all in all, given my experience in the hobby its very rare. I've never had this kind of stuff happen to me  in all these years.  She going to her mother....Really?  

Friendships do develop in the hobby as a result of very personal nature of business, and I will never turn down a good friend no matter how transactional the nature of business, and no matter how much I argue, fight, debate with both men and women. At the same time, I will say this that my primary reason for entering and staying in the hobby is to get laid.  

Going forward, just be smart enough whom you are sharing info with...Time often reveals the difference between "immature girls" and "smart women". I like latter...

Blowtorch333 2 Reviews 617 reads
posted
3 / 15

This type of shit can heppen when you deal with this lifestyle. Nothing is promised or guarenteed that you wont get into some stupid shit if you let yourself

Hello.Duchess See my TER Reviews 736 reads
posted
4 / 15

That's terrible. I'm sorry that happened to you. What rotten circumstances. But your heart was in the right place. It sounds like you were very kind to someone who needed it.  

I was on the other side of it, and the wife of a client harassed me for two years, after he gave up all the information on his hobbying activity (WHY do people do that? What purpose does that serve?).  

The way I handled it was to never engage with her, never reply to any of her emails, no matter what she threatened or said.  Months would go by and nothing, then out of nowhere, I'd get another email.  It was scary. I never, ever contacted the guy again -- that was what she basically wanted. But she needed someone to punish and I'm guessing the mom needs someone to blame, too, for problems you had no hand in creating. I am sure it will blow over as long as you don't contact her daughter.

Good luck and take care :)

wrps07 626 reads
posted
5 / 15

If you are in the hobby client or provider you should not be using social media sites such as facebook.

4newbie2 100 Reviews 510 reads
posted
6 / 15

This hobby can go both ways.  I had a lady friend that one of her clients she was close too, called and sent e-mails to her family when the relationship went south.  Lucky for her the damage was minimal.  Both sides need to be careful who the share their personnel info with. Wish everyone a "drama-free" week and enjoy the great weather :

TheDollarMenu 578 reads
posted
7 / 15

Social media, um... yeah.. I would definitely stay off of that site for many reasons. If people scrutinize you in your workplace or if you have a jealous ex, then you'll want to stay off of ALL social media sites that have your real identity. We've all had a lot to drink and sometimes we don't mean it but for it to be fun, but if you take a picture of your butthole while holding a beer and upload that in Facebook, then well, yeah, you know the result if you work in a place that scrutinizes you.

Not only in the hobby my friend, but even meeting girls outside of the hobby, you have to be very cautious of what you do for girls. If you meet a girl outside of the hobby and bring her back to your place, she knows where you live, have your personal information, and all of that mumble jumble.

Best thing to do is lie and say your broke. See if she still wants you :

BelleDiamond See my TER Reviews 574 reads
posted
8 / 15

Sucks that you had to go thru all of that. It's best to remember both of your common interest, and personalize the experience. Make the best of that time. I myself have had a special friend or even girlfriends who I believed to have gotten to know, but turns out not at all. It's nice to be able to get to know each other, but it's just so broad and time will tell. You can physically know someone for years and still not know them.  

Best to keep business as business. Don't try to pry your way into someone's personal life. With that will come more problems, an emotional attachment, extra favors, and even worse attitudes... Keep it happy & friendly. Don't expose yourself to a headache. Remind your special friend that you don't want to cross worlds unless you both truly do. I don't suggest doing this for it could be totally misunderstand. Emotions are best left alone.

Take your time when people are crazy these days

earthshined 561 reads
posted
9 / 15

Maybe as means to remember a client . Emails, texts etc.

It is a dumb idea.
Posted By: guy.ffx
Just a caution for clients (and providers) - there's a reason many keep it strictly business and I'm still waiting to see how I'll ultimately pay for my lesson for ignoring that approach. I met and got to know a younger provider (24 yrs. old. She responds to personals but does not post). Saw her twice over a period of a few weeks and got to know her. Unfortunately, that also meant she got to know me. The real me. We were friends on a couple of social sites, etc.  
   
 Learning more about her, I agreed to help her out a few times later financially to help with things like books for class, etc. It all seemed very friendly and supportive. And there was no reciprocation for this extra fiscal assistance. We were friends and I wanted to see her succeed. No expectation for repayment of any type.  
   
 And then the bomb drops. Apparently, my "friend" slipped and had a drug incident. She moved back in with her mother (she was living with her father) and confessed everything, turning over all her email and social media accounts for her mother's review. And she never deleted anything. As a result, I got a couple of wildly threatening emails from her mother promising to expose me.  
   
 Frankly, I don't care one way or the other. In the end, all she can expose is that I gave her adult daughter money and we hooked up a couple of times (welcome to relationships in 2014). But, still, who needs the drama? Fortunately, it's been a quiet couple of weeks, however, the thought of a vengeful mother is in the back of my mind with every phone call, strange email, and mail delivery. Even if you don't worry that much about being "exposed" it's certainly not a great way to live.  
   
 So, learn from my mistake. No matter how nice. No matter the connection. No matter how the friendship develops over the course of a few weeks or months, my advice is to keep it all BUSINESS. No real names. No real contact information. I feel more violated from this experience than from any traditional relationship. We knew each other for many, many months. She had a brain. And until this moment, I considered myself an excellent judge of character. Delete messages and texts (use a burn phone), Defriend or block each other from social media accounts, etc. Make it a challenge for a concerned friend, relative, or outsider to "do the math" should your connection slip and give up sanity for Lent at your expense.  
   
 I do realize that many providers won't accept new clients without additional personal information. And for the true "pros" that's probably okay. However, I'll never give that level of trust to anyone again -- ever.  
   
 As they say in The Godfather, (from now on) it's not personal it's strictly business.  

-- Modified on 2/23/2014 1:54:45 PM

escape_coauthor 442 reads
posted
10 / 15

Your don't cross worlds unless you both truly want to comment is spot on. But if you do, what are the rules and when they get unilaterally changed, difficult rhetorical question is how do things proceed. And if they get changed then yet again, then what:). (Rhetorical question).   And if significant amount of money has been "invested" in relationship, how's that play. And if money is "borrowed" without terms, then what. All that said, with some exceptions, including your comments, most of the board discussion is false, not all, but a lot. Most people know that.  Ladies want their white knights to knock it down, as if guys like me really get on here much. And, then if they don't, some get accused of actually being the source of the posts, even though not the case and no proof (and mods know, I think, who arguably is with ISP tracing - albeit not a science with Verizons and others of the world) know). And on rules being changed, how do you deal with. More later maybe.  Been mostly quet to now but perhaps reasons to change that now.

Sidney Starr See my TER Reviews 588 reads
posted
11 / 15

Yes they are expensive but a key sign that something else is going on is a provider having trouble paying her rent, utilities and her cell bills. Maybe she doesn't have any extra money but all these things should at least be covered, even if times are slow.

Tall6969 45 Reviews 468 reads
posted
12 / 15

You need to subscribe to the poet Snoop Dogg....

 

                                     "We Don't Love Them Ho's"  

 
Respectfully, of course.

escape_coauthor 406 reads
posted
13 / 15

Applies to many, not all. And certainly not the ladies I allow in -- or so I hope) and mostly trust. It's a smalll group, one. I'm either 100 percent right or wrong. No margin for error for me. I've gone from several, yrs ago to One in recent years. Although I've been wondering as of late due to some developments beyond my control, not giving up yet. Even though patience is not a virtue that get me admitted to many places its needed:)

-- Modified on 2/24/2014 4:33:42 PM

eroticspirit 28 Reviews 1084 reads
posted
14 / 15

A similar thing happened to me several years ago. Met with a provider (who actually starred in porn movies) and had a great time. As part of the screening I gave her my workplace name and phone number. Not too long after our session she starts calling me at the office. I was a bit taken aback by this but being the dumbass that I was back then I would take the calls and chat with her for a bit.

 Then one day as I was conducting a meeting with some higher ranking execs she SHOWS UP AT MY WORKPLACE. Not only that, she showed up looking like, frankly, a PORN STAR!! Jesus do you have any idea how embarassing this was? I managed to hustle her ass out of there QUICK but I definitely got more than my share of strange looks from people in the office after this. It took a HELL of a lot of fast talking and manuevering to squirm out of this situation.

 Bottom line--my philosophy now and forevermore is this---I don't care if you're the hottest, most beautiful woman on the planet--I will give you P411 info and provider references ONLY for screening--that should--and will HAVE TO suffice. If you want more than that I ain't seeing you--NO EXCEPTIONS, PERIOD!!

-- Modified on 2/25/2014 8:00:16 AM

eroticspirit 28 Reviews 440 reads
posted
15 / 15

As I mentioned in my earlier cooment (see my post in the beginning of this thread--it is absolutely a cautionary tale all clients should heed!!)--the ONLY information I will furnish is my P411 credentials and individual provider refs--that's IT! This is why P411 was created in the first place as a tool both hobbyist and provider can use. Anybody that wants more than that from me is NOT getting it! Thankfully P411 has a lot of credibility and it has up to now always been sufficient for screening purposes! I think it's an awesome service--it really protects you!!

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