Dude, stay clear of the girl/pimp/madam/agency drama. If you feel like a girl is being abused or forced to work against her will, then dont go back to see her and find another hottie to spend your cash on.
I am not going to flame you but you should know better. Maybe she hit a soft spot or you genuinely want to help her. Just let me put it to you this way, that some people are just beyond help. I am not saying not to ever get involved, but I am saying pick your battles wisely. This would not be a wise battle IMHO.
I used to have a very hot female roommate. She was so sweet, goodlooking, educated and down to earth. However, she could only be with boyfriends who beat her. It was what I call moth to campfire syndrome. I tried to help her and even went as far as getting her counceling but she always gravitated to abusive men and I am sure she does to this day. That is if one has not killed her yet.
Some people are just drama queens/kings, pitty-me queens/kings or just good ol'fashoned manipulators.
My advice is dont get involved. You know that in this industry there are girls who are pimped, what else is new? Unless you are LE, just walk away and find another provider to have FUN with.
I've let a couple of weeks go by and I'm not going to give enough detail here to let folks figure out who I am talking about in this message. I've confined my hobby activities to gals well past 25 to ensure I don't end up with a gal to young... and I've avoided the agencies pushing gals from Asia or South America because I just don't want to be with some gal that in any fashion has been forced into the escort life. I found a local NoVa girl that was just a blast to be with and decided to make a second visit. She was fun in every possible way. It's hard not to find some friendship with these gals and she was no different. However it happened, she confessed to me that there's a guy that's basically her pimp and takes a high percentage of the money she earns and he's more than a bit abusive. I know some of you are going to say she's trying to leverage me into giving her money and I've considered that as a possibility (btw, she hasn't asked for anything). He reads her mail and monitors her phone usage ... I gave her some hints on how to get around that problem. She says some of her friends want her to go to a shelter and she's actually gone once. I just wanted to know what the other gals here think of these type of scenarios. Are there any providers out there sympathetic to these type of situations that could take this gal under her wing... maybe give her a place to stay until she can get her legs under her and make it on her own without this loser of a guy. I think she's the genuine article... a darn good provider... and a very sweet gal that's in a bad spot. Anyway, I'm ready to be flamed and told what a sucker I am... but I would like to get some idea of what to do when you find the darker side of the hobby and don't like it. Thanks in advance for some good advice.
A lady from DC went west and was kidnapped when she answered an ad, and was later recovered.
Another VERY well known provider had a pimp and were keeping a lady locked up for her "doubles partner"...
Of course there is a dark side to the culture of prostitution....welcome to the real world.
If your emotions get involved, get the hell out. What do you plan to do, save her? What about everybody else in her same situation? Save them too?
Has it crossed your mind that you may have been lied to? Whores lie, that is a fact.
You can do your small part by stop seeing her and stop being a contributor to this cycle. The less you get involved, the more peace of mind you'll have.
Just enjoy hobbying, dude.
Has it crossed your mind that you may have been lied to? Whores lie, that is a fact.
I am not trying to sugarcoat the reality of what the transaction between an escort and a john is. I understand that very well.
You sound like one really callous asshole that just wants to use women as "fresh meat". Well I hate to break it to you but they are people too and you are no better of a human being. Do you think society would think you are any better if they knew of your activities? Most would see you as scum and probably as untrustworthy. Sure, you are paying them for their time and services but that does not make them less of a human being. Who is the real "user"?
Have some respect for all human beings
I personally do not believe he is a sucker but people do indeed lie. I would error on the side of trying to get her help but not to provide direct financial support unless more compelling evidence presented itself. I think it is right to try to help her.
Skankazoid- I think the Moderator should remove your post. I think I speak for every provider when I say that what you wrote was highly offensive and derogatory and thus violates the rules of this board.
Also, I find it very funny that you are saying "whores lie". What do you say when you leave the house or office in the middle of the day? Do you tell the truth? Are you Clintonian in your ways?-- "See you in an hour, I'm goin' to the 'doctors' office!".
Maybe your post should stay up so that you can collect a number of ladies who DON'T want to see you. There is not a shortage of clients out there. Ladies can be picky and all would prefer to see a nice guy. The small percentage who don't care will give you one of those nice 30min Mickey D's sessions.
So I think you should consider an apology to all providers for your unkind words and just remember that people who say only negative things of others and name call are like this because they are bullies with low self esteem and insecurities.
I am your psychiatrist Skankazoid- I cant help you get through this 1 board post at a time. Count on me!
Love,
Madison
Well if you believe she is in the predicament youve been told, the best thing you can do is show moral support and offer some guidance and suggestions.
If you can offer specicific options showing a way out, her reaction can tell you a lot about whether her need is legitimate. If she listens to you and considers what you tell her as a possibility that adds legitimacy. If she blows off what you say as being complelety non workable there may be a signal there for you.
In your case the fact she hasnt asked for money is important and adds legitimacy to her statements.
As Ive hung around here for a while, Ive learned a great deal about indiviual situations. They aint what you think in many cases. Id give her a the benefit of the doubt until she proves your trust was misguided.
Oh, the help of experienced providers may be available on the anonnomous provider boards. Theyve pretty much heard everything.
Best wishes to you and your friend. I hope she is able to successfully weather her bad time and prosper in her life.
Only to end up meeting what you tried to avoid.
There are outreach programs and places she can go to yes. But are you ready for what comes from your trying to help?
It is a sad story. I hope she finds the strength to get away from this guy. But if you get involved don't be surprised at the outcome.
Good Luck
We would all like, of course, to think that all the companions we see are engaged in what they do entirely of their own free will. But the reality is that some are not, and your response to being confronted with a possible case of coercion is the right one. To "hobby on" without a second thought, and to be willfully blind to the facts, would be callous and irresponsible. How to actually help in the circumstances is much more complicated, but you are not a sucker for wanting to do so.
You can tell her to contact Hips.org , they have some programs there that might help.
HIPS does good work but is mostly set up for streetwalkers in need. There are others set up to help other situations, including providing protection, legal help, etc -- google and you'll find some good ones in NOVA and elsewhere. In most cases they won't talk to you -- only to the principals. I suggest you give some contact info and tel numbers to your friend and urge her to take action. In my own experience, one person thanked me for the info but said she was concerned about reprisals agains her family and continued in her situation. She was no tramp, but top of the line, and needed money to pay off family obligations. In the second case, the woman finally called an agency, which gave her an interview, took her in and facilitated her getting a T visa- victim of abuse. She is now in another city under a different identity. It is not an easy process, but it can be done. Of course, following this course puts the responsibility on the victim -- she has to really want to change, and take the lead, and that's the way it should be. But you can help get her started and point the way, if that's the best course. Good luck.
How truly horrible. This could get dangerous. I hope there is a way to help her.
I would defer to the providers here as to what is the best way to handle this. I hope they can help.
I doubt she can report him and not be arrested herself for prostitution or at least hitting their radar very hard but freeloaders like this can be very dangerous when their bread and butter is in danger of leaving.
If he was arrested, he would be back on the street real fast. I doubt that law enforcement is an answer.
Does she wish to stay an escort or to leave it? She will definitely need to relocate.
Are a lot of the Asian women in forced prostitution her in the DC area?
...Always add that to the equation, I believe in most cases their is always a pimp from the most upscale provider, to that young woman posting her first BP ad. Yes I believe their may be some independent providers that have been in(da business)for sometime with out a pimp, but I know they had to have started with one, even if it were a SO that treated them right. I remember seeing a upscale provider not long ago damn if that man didn't show up in the bar while I was waiting(had to pretend like I didn't see him). Never told the lady either I assumed it was the final part of the screening, as he showed up after I called to announce my arival and he vanished as soon as I got the Invite up. I also like the
my(girlfreind drove me) line it does sound better than the truth. It would be nice to save people of course they would need to be saved from them selves first wich may be a greater challenge. I can't
believe I am saying this but the best way to help would be not to endulge in the hobby at all, if there were no demand there may not be a supply(not a suggestion).
Dude, stay clear of the girl/pimp/madam/agency drama. If you feel like a girl is being abused or forced to work against her will, then dont go back to see her and find another hottie to spend your cash on.
I am not going to flame you but you should know better. Maybe she hit a soft spot or you genuinely want to help her. Just let me put it to you this way, that some people are just beyond help. I am not saying not to ever get involved, but I am saying pick your battles wisely. This would not be a wise battle IMHO.
I used to have a very hot female roommate. She was so sweet, goodlooking, educated and down to earth. However, she could only be with boyfriends who beat her. It was what I call moth to campfire syndrome. I tried to help her and even went as far as getting her counceling but she always gravitated to abusive men and I am sure she does to this day. That is if one has not killed her yet.
Some people are just drama queens/kings, pitty-me queens/kings or just good ol'fashoned manipulators.
My advice is dont get involved. You know that in this industry there are girls who are pimped, what else is new? Unless you are LE, just walk away and find another provider to have FUN with.
Thanks for the feedback so far. I said I avoid agencies that push folks from Asia or South America not independents though I understand that there may be a hidden hand in the background that makes the not so independent. I have no intention of getting directly involved but wanted to give her some outside resources she could tap. In this particular case, I don't think she's lying to me and I think she's in more of situation where the guy brought her into this life and she's having a hard time getting out. As far as abuse of her directly its verbal and physical. I don't want to save her... learned a long time ago that people need to save themselves from their own demons but sometimes they need help... whether it's AA or a shelter or a friend. I don't see SP any different from civilians... if they can find a friend in their business that can show them the way, that's often all they need. For the record, I've asked a few of my other SP friends and they have told me... STAY AWAY!
It is a natural feeling to try to help people but you don't want to get involved with her pimp. Pimps can be violent thugs who can get very angry with people trying to mess with their business. He may have your cell number and may track you down and then your world may be messed up. Most hobbyists are older men, many are professionals, most with little experience in dealing with guys who can really hurt you or hassle you, and then there is the wife/work issue. I would just walk away and not contact that provider anymore.
It is nice to see providers on here giving there input. It is not too often that we get to see the other half of this business. That these ladies are human and should not be treated as meat. The genuine urge to want to help is comendable. Just be careful about getting involved. Suggestions and guidance seem to be the best bet. I have heard my share of horror stories int he past year. Some of the ladies I have known have been able to get out. Others have not.