Sounds like your view of providers has been shaped by either a poor self image or bad experiences...

Your "guy's perspective" bit is really sad.

The providers side bit has some merits but is still laced with an unfortunate cynicism

We all know that at its core the hobby is a fantasy. I hope.

GTM

"5. you don't have too big of a cock."

I found it odd that you made that number 5
Have you been talking to my providers that measured??
Some things should stay private.
I sure hope none of them told you my nick name in bed.. pencil head

I have a ATF but she never told me I was the best or good..
Am I confused??

That a provider that I've met that I have an extreme high level of trust and chemistry with. I also know she is not too diffulcut to get in touch with.

To me its not based on how many times she has told me im the best. ect. But she has been honest with me, and she really enjoys my company as much as I enjoy hers. Thats what ATF means to me...

Oh yea... Im not using an alias LOL

I can only give my $0.02 as to what an ATF means.

Quit trying to complicate things. All your ATF amounts to is a girl who you have a connection with and she treats you accordingly.

To the opening threasdstarter. Do you actually believe that these girls are machines? That can go through hundreds to thousands of men a year and are immune to developing friendships with clients on a personal level? Also that they react to money like a Great White to a wounded sea lion?

I have two ATFs. One that I no longer see although I care deeply about her and miss her very much. Another that I regularly visit (although she lives on the west coast).

With my current ATF, time and money are nonfactors. Everytime, I book a session with her, she insists that I be her last client of the day. This way she does not have to rush and we can take our time. She keeps me 1-2 hours over the stipulated time. Jeez, if anybody is generous with her money (she costs $350 per hour) it is her. She has never asked me to compensate her for the extra hours we spend together and if she did I think I would have to take a second mortgage out on my house to pay for the extra hours. Which I would do without question.

A couple more things. I know my ATF on a personal level. I know her real name, where she lives, where she went to school and that we even have some mutual aquaintances. There have been times when she was in such a bad mood that we did not even have sex. I paid $350 once to listen to her cry and complain about how an earlier client mistreated her. Then I wound up spending another couple hunderd dollars buying her sushi that night, but I am not complaining.

An ATF is all about reciprocity. For those of you who dont know, that means to give and take. It is nearly impossible for people to interact with eachother in such an intimate way as the provider and client do, and not develop some sort of reciprocal bond.  

Just my $0.02

That you can't possibly IMAGINE that a provider could feel that a client is more than an ATM.

I have several ATFs (some of whom I've had long term OFF THE CLOCK relationships with) and NONE of my relationships are based on any of those dumb fucking reasons that you probably made up.

Shut the fuck up already, I hate these dumb posts from you self-hating, woman-haters.

A recent experience explains the nature of ATF clearly to me at least.  I became fond of a provider and thought she felt the same way.  But I realized that if I didn't pay her for her time there would be little possibility of seeing her. Yet, in due course she told me a lot about herself, introduced me to some of her non-provider friends and even invited me to her nice home once or twice just to talk.  One day I whined about "being only a customer," and she said, "I've only told you about my personal life, introduced you to my friends and invited you to my home.  You think I do this for all my customers?"
End of whining.

It must be terrible to not be able to find pleasure and beauty in life.

Do we all not pay for the things that we desire?

Was your wife only attracted to you for your good looks and wonderful zest for life?

And if marriage is not just legalized prostitution then you are lying to yourself. Ask any man that has suffered thru a divorce what the bottom line was for every time he got his dick wet. In most cases seeing me or one of my friends would cost less.

I have some very good relations with several of my clients that I talk with regularly with no charge. Try that with your attorney.

So IMHO you have missed a lot. And if you have such distain for us why are you here?

yes, you missed just about everything

sorry you are having such a dismal time of it. why not quit while you are behind?

i've been posting less and less lately and i'm not going to comment in detail. i'm just glad don't have your experiences to remember.

Just because you are resentful that you have to pay to get laid doesn't mean that women are the devil.

You're deluded. Plain and simple.

Most women do not think like that nor do we act like that. I pity the woman that you're with because you probably go in with preconceived notions about how she's going to react.

That's why your appointments are bad, because you refuse to connect on any level because you yourself resent the process and the nature of the relationships you're forced to have.

Yours is an insight I pity.

I think the two words that say it all are "would repeat".

I've always hated the ATF reference. Unless you're talking about the greatest hits of the 60s, 70s, etc.

What credence is there in that reference?

Is that suppose to mean that you (collective you)always try to book her first and only go somewhere else if she can't fit you in?

It's a fantasy for however long you booked and should expect nothing more. If there is something more then you've gotten a plus.

I have a few All Time Friends. Some I still see profesionally and some just for socializing. We've become friends through trust over and above any agreements of performance or preferences.

I don't doubt that some of the issues you posted above occur, but I'd hope they are far and few between.