Obviously use of Alias is OK here as I am sure this will open a can of worms.

I have read so many reviews in the past years and must say, we guys are stupid! Horny but yet stupid!.

I keep reading so many times in the reviews and postings that "she is my ATF" ..etc. Lets be real as to what the definition of ATF is here

from guy's perspective
a. she made you believe she was into you and you bought it,even though you were guy number 10 in that day!

b. she told you you are 'the best' or 'you are so talented'!. BE REAL: there are so many ways a guy can go down of a girl or do the girl. If you think out of 100s that she has seen in a month you were 'the best', then I got a bridge I like to sell to you in NJ!

c. she told you, that you can stay longer, as she is enjoying your company so much!. The real answer is
1. she either does not have any other appointment after you
2. she has smelled money on you so she is hoping to sucker you in!

so we guys are easily amused when the little head is in charge.

now on the providers side, I know what the ATF means to them. One of 'my ATFs" told me about it .. you are an ATF if

1. you pay what you are supposed to pay AND leave a little tip
2. you are on time
3. you are not smelling like a dirty sock!
4. you are not too fat for your frame. girls HATE fat guys!
5. you don't have to big of a cock. you might think that it is a great gift to the girls, but since they will be seeing about a dozen of them a day, the smaller the cock the better!
6. you are not taking 'medication' to stay hard!. Lets face it, they want to pop you and get you out of the door.
7. you are quick and don't want to try every position on earth before you pop
8. when you pop, you get up and leave!
9. you leave earlier than your time


did I miss anything?

Dear Ms. Rourke
with all due respect. Here is what I read in your post

1. you say you were in the biz for the past 10 years, yet your reviews start in Jan 2008!. that is cool

2. on average an escort sees 100s of guys in a given year, that is cool, so the number of guys you have seen should be in 1000s (for 10 years as you claim)

soo considering 1 and 2, after 1000s of guys these two lucky bastards are your ATF and that is very cool. They don't pay full price and that is cool too. no one would after 10 years, god knows what the prices were like 10 years ago (oohhh the good old days). But lets say they only paid $$ to keep it simple, and twice a month type of a guy. So the math would say  for one guy after 10 years

1 x 2 x 12 x $$ or $4800 in a year.. so $48,000 in 10 years. Now if I were you, I would call them my ATF too . Nothing wrong with it, they are paying the bills!

so lets please not kid ourselves, they are your ATF because

1. they pay
2. they have gotten to know you and you knowing them

the question is if "1" was not there, would you still consider them ATF?

Your "guy's perspective" bit is really sad.

The providers side bit has some merits but is still laced with an unfortunate cynicism

We all know that at its core the hobby is a fantasy. I hope.

GTM

you should know, from the provider side, you are worth a few $$$s! from your side, she is worth a few positions and an hour or so of fun!..

yep it is all fantasy!. I agree!

It is funny when some guys and gals talk about ATFs and how many Os they give/get and such

"5. you don't have too big of a cock."

I found it odd that you made that number 5
Have you been talking to my providers that measured??
Some things should stay private.
I sure hope none of them told you my nick name in bed.. pencil head

I have a ATF but she never told me I was the best or good..
Am I confused??

they have seen it all size and types, fat and thin, so most of them can estimate your size even if you don't take your pants down .

I once had a provider told me that I was 'the right size" so I asked her what does that mean, she said, you are 'the right size'. I continued to ask, and she said, you are small!. I LMAO and said OK!. How do you like big ones? she said she avoids them as it does not feel good and she said

'it is not how big it is, it is how you use it"

(I am sure you have heard that too )

Well said Raegan,
While I have only had the priviledge of visiting with you once it was truely memorable for me. While one visit can not an ATF be I am honestly looking forward to a return visit. Mow that I have her parameters for her ATF I have something to strive for.  Thank you for providing your insight.

I would say that the view you express is more appropos of CL/BP girls and streetwalkers.


Hell - I've had streetwalkers try to set me up to be robbed. I've got a scar on one arm from taking a ballisong knife away from a pretty little blonde streetwalker in Marseilles.


OTOH I have developed very meaningful personal friendships with a few providers over the years.

You are apparently missing out on quite a lot. In my experience your characterization is extremely pessimistic.

the conviction to post their point of view with their "real" TER certified alias LOL

in your figures. I've seen her but haven't reviewed her. You're too concrete in your assumptions.

sorry but I have not been around that long to know what your other names might have been. So I was wrong there and also thank you for clarification on numbers, again no one knows the facts other than you on that.

also thank you for honesty. As you said it yourself

"If "1" wasn't there they would be my boyfriend not my client" ...

at least you understand it, most guys don't!. Many if NOT all girls do!

That a provider that I've met that I have an extreme high level of trust and chemistry with. I also know she is not too diffulcut to get in touch with.

To me its not based on how many times she has told me im the best. ect. But she has been honest with me, and she really enjoys my company as much as I enjoy hers. Thats what ATF means to me...

Oh yea... Im not using an alias LOL

I got a bridge in NJ for you for sure

got to be kidding me..ok.. here is translation

1. she enjoys my company = she knows I got money
2. I enjoy her company = I know I can do her every which way AND sunday!

but again you are right, it is a fantasy world.

now I know where your coming from. The money hungry girls of CL and BP. Not Well reviewed ladies of TER and other boards. You see high volume escorts. Who's only concern is the next dollor. As a result you perspective is makes you think they are all same.

What a shame...

I can only give my $0.02 as to what an ATF means.

Quit trying to complicate things. All your ATF amounts to is a girl who you have a connection with and she treats you accordingly.

To the opening threasdstarter. Do you actually believe that these girls are machines? That can go through hundreds to thousands of men a year and are immune to developing friendships with clients on a personal level? Also that they react to money like a Great White to a wounded sea lion?

I have two ATFs. One that I no longer see although I care deeply about her and miss her very much. Another that I regularly visit (although she lives on the west coast).

With my current ATF, time and money are nonfactors. Everytime, I book a session with her, she insists that I be her last client of the day. This way she does not have to rush and we can take our time. She keeps me 1-2 hours over the stipulated time. Jeez, if anybody is generous with her money (she costs $350 per hour) it is her. She has never asked me to compensate her for the extra hours we spend together and if she did I think I would have to take a second mortgage out on my house to pay for the extra hours. Which I would do without question.

A couple more things. I know my ATF on a personal level. I know her real name, where she lives, where she went to school and that we even have some mutual aquaintances. There have been times when she was in such a bad mood that we did not even have sex. I paid $350 once to listen to her cry and complain about how an earlier client mistreated her. Then I wound up spending another couple hunderd dollars buying her sushi that night, but I am not complaining.

An ATF is all about reciprocity. For those of you who dont know, that means to give and take. It is nearly impossible for people to interact with eachother in such an intimate way as the provider and client do, and not develop some sort of reciprocal bond.  

Just my $0.02

That you can't possibly IMAGINE that a provider could feel that a client is more than an ATM.

I have several ATFs (some of whom I've had long term OFF THE CLOCK relationships with) and NONE of my relationships are based on any of those dumb fucking reasons that you probably made up.

Shut the fuck up already, I hate these dumb posts from you self-hating, woman-haters.

A recent experience explains the nature of ATF clearly to me at least.  I became fond of a provider and thought she felt the same way.  But I realized that if I didn't pay her for her time there would be little possibility of seeing her. Yet, in due course she told me a lot about herself, introduced me to some of her non-provider friends and even invited me to her nice home once or twice just to talk.  One day I whined about "being only a customer," and she said, "I've only told you about my personal life, introduced you to my friends and invited you to my home.  You think I do this for all my customers?"
End of whining.

It must be terrible to not be able to find pleasure and beauty in life.

Do we all not pay for the things that we desire?

Was your wife only attracted to you for your good looks and wonderful zest for life?

And if marriage is not just legalized prostitution then you are lying to yourself. Ask any man that has suffered thru a divorce what the bottom line was for every time he got his dick wet. In most cases seeing me or one of my friends would cost less.

I have some very good relations with several of my clients that I talk with regularly with no charge. Try that with your attorney.

So IMHO you have missed a lot. And if you have such distain for us why are you here?

sorry you are having such a dismal time of it. why not quit while you are behind?

i've been posting less and less lately and i'm not going to comment in detail. i'm just glad don't have your experiences to remember.

but perhaps it would have been better not to feed the troll and just let his post stand in mute silence.

Don't be a stranger -

GTM

Just because you are resentful that you have to pay to get laid doesn't mean that women are the devil.

You're deluded. Plain and simple.

Most women do not think like that nor do we act like that. I pity the woman that you're with because you probably go in with preconceived notions about how she's going to react.

That's why your appointments are bad, because you refuse to connect on any level because you yourself resent the process and the nature of the relationships you're forced to have.

Yours is an insight I pity.

I think the two words that say it all are "would repeat".

I've always hated the ATF reference. Unless you're talking about the greatest hits of the 60s, 70s, etc.

What credence is there in that reference?

Is that suppose to mean that you (collective you)always try to book her first and only go somewhere else if she can't fit you in?

It's a fantasy for however long you booked and should expect nothing more. If there is something more then you've gotten a plus.

I have a few All Time Friends. Some I still see profesionally and some just for socializing. We've become friends through trust over and above any agreements of performance or preferences.

I don't doubt that some of the issues you posted above occur, but I'd hope they are far and few between.

I see my ATF on a weekly basis cause we click so well sexually. I am not in Love with her and she does not treat me like an ATM. Yes she gives me time off the clock alot. We enjoy meals together as well as watching movies or going to strip clubs off the clock. I do believe we that we share more than just a sexual experience.  We are friends and share alot of our personal lives, kinda like therapy sometimes. I know without the money exchange we would have never met and we keep it real. You unfortunately will never experience this with your woman hater attitude, if your even a guy and not somebodies bitch or gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that (Seinfeld quote). I am also glad my ATF does not read the board to see how bad some of you really are.

Thanks for bringing out some truley caring providers, and they are now on my list of Must-do's.

however i just wanted to make a point of the fact that _i_ wasn't the alias poster. despite  a misstep or two i'm not that cynical.

if i ever get that cynical, somebody shoot me please?

so all is quiet, the hobby IS good therapy for me. while i won't be a total stranger i will be infrequent. aside from a slightly eccentric ISO (it is me after all) and some "thank yous" i have no agendas to pursue except staying safe, unstressed and sometimes just having fun.

best to you and yours,
tex