Ridiculous. At best it makes you look foolsh. At worst it stirs up controversy, discontent, and causes XDog to use the whole thing as an object lesson for the rest of us.
Here follows the true story of how good intentions went bad, how things went bad and how misunderstandings are generated. The names are aliases and but the dollars are real and are used for emphasis.At a Meet and Greet party in Atlantic City, many of us met a knock out provider known as Miss M. Many of us tried to schedule with her that day. Her rate as advertised was 400/hr or 700 for two hours with her preference for 2 hour sessions. Her reviews and reputation were excellent but there was debate on whether she was worth the cost.
Fast Forward to June to where she came to DC and agreed to see a few gentlemen the next time she was in DC. Discussion ensued were she was told by many of us that DC was a 300 town. She felt that it wouldnt be a problem and thus two gentlemen scheduled sessions with her at the 300 rate.I wasnt present at that party.Along comes August and I and some others received email that she was coming to DC and was available for sessions for 350. Not aware of the June dealings and commitments she had made ,I scheduled for a one hour session for 350 as did others. After I had scheduled my session and went thru with it, I found out the two previous "June" gentlemen cancelled on her because she raised her rate with them to 350. I still would have and did go thru with my commitment regardless of what she had agreed with previously with others.Also I am unaware on the specifics of the issues arising between her and the "agency". But that isnt gemane to my story at this point.Back to me and my session, I and a few other gentlemen saw her for 350 and I had a good time with her . Will I recommend her to fellow hobbyists? Yes. Will I see her again? No. not at 350 . I just wanted to satisfy my curiosity and had to pay the price. It is satisfied and my decision to not see her again at that rate is purely economically.Following that session, I received an IM from a fellow hobbyist who asked how she was and I told him , she was ok but her rate was high. When I told him the rate was 350, he laughed and said she was seeing others for 250. I asked whom and he told me Mr. Y had negotiated her down to 250 and was bragging to him what fools we were for paying such an outrageous price. I quickly emailed Miss M and confirmed my suspicions that he probably got a half an hour for 250 and that was confirmed. Of course Miss M was pissed that everybody knew about it but I said that was between her and Mr. Y.
."I guess my point here is: a lady comes into our town saying her rates are firm, and rides in on her reputation of excellence and professionalism and then negotiates . well thats ok. Thats ok but for him to go bragging about it and putting a spin on it of all ladies will negotiate and we are fools for not negotiating. Well thats NOT ok.Now many of us will read this as gossip. Many of us will read this as good info.
Many of us will read this as a point of view and even one that sounds like typical XDOG whining.So be it.You may take the info for what it is worth and it is validated for
.I guess my point is IF YOU NEGOTIATE AND GET SOMETHING, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND KEEP IT BETWEEN YOU AND THE LADY AND DONT BRAG
.Germane comments are welcomed and What do you guys think?
respectfully
XDOG
Often on this Board and other boards , the subject of negotiating rates and services with ladies came up. The consensus of the issue as I saw it was : Gentlemen dont negotiate and if you do negotiate and get a good deal, for god's sake keep your mouth shut and dont brag.
Here follows the true story of how good intentions went bad, how things went bad and how misunderstandings are generated. The names are aliases and but the dollars are real and are used for emphasis.At a Meet and Greet party in Atlantic City, many of us met a knock out provider known as Miss M. Many of us tried to schedule with her that day. Her rate as advertised was 400/hr or 700 for two hours with her preference for 2 hour sessions. Her reviews and reputation were excellent but there was debate on whether she was worth the cost.
Fast Forward to June to where she came to DC and agreed to see a few gentlemen the next time she was in DC. Discussion ensued were she was told by many of us that DC was a 300 town. She felt that it wouldnt be a problem and thus two gentlemen scheduled sessions with her at the 300 rate.I wasnt present at that party.Along comes August and I and some others received email that she was coming to DC and was available for sessions for 350. Not aware of the June dealings and commitments she had made ,I scheduled for a one hour session for 350 as did others. After I had scheduled my session and went thru with it, I found out the two previous "June" gentlemen cancelled on her because she raised her rate with them to 350. I still would have and did go thru with my commitment regardless of what she had agreed with previously with others.Also I am unaware on the specifics of the issues arising between her and the "agency". But that isnt gemane to my story at this point.Back to me and my session, I and a few other gentlemen saw her for 350 and I had a good time with her . Will I recommend her to fellow hobbyists? Yes. Will I see her again? No. not at 350 . I just wanted to satisfy my curiosity and had to pay the price. It is satisfied and my decision to not see her again at that rate is purely economically.Following that session, I received an IM from a fellow hobbyist who asked how she was and I told him , she was ok but her rate was high. When I told him the rate was 350, he laughed and said she was seeing others for 250. I asked whom and he told me Mr. Y had negotiated her down to 250 and was bragging to him what fools we were for paying such an outrageous price. I quickly emailed Miss M and confirmed my suspicions that he probably got a half an hour for 250 and that was confirmed. Of course Miss M was pissed that everybody knew about it but I said that was between her and Mr. Y.
."I guess my point here is: a lady comes into our town saying her rates are firm, and rides in on her reputation of excellence and professionalism and then negotiates . well thats ok. Thats ok but for him to go bragging about it and putting a spin on it of all ladies will negotiate and we are fools for not negotiating. Well thats NOT ok.Now many of us will read this as gossip. Many of us will read this as good info.
Many of us will read this as a point of view and even one that sounds like typical XDOG whining.So be it.You may take the info for what it is worth and it is validated for
.I guess my point is IF YOU NEGOTIATE AND GET SOMETHING, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND KEEP IT BETWEEN YOU AND THE LADY AND DONT BRAG
.Germane comments are welcomed and What do you guys think?
respectfully
XDO
I receive "arranged" sessions often. Thank you ladies and I'll NEVER tell.
... and if they have to brag to feel big they don't deserve it. Shame.
certainly if a provider accepts negotiation for a reduced rate or grandfathers you in at an older rate when she is raising her publicly this should just be between you two. It does not make you a "stud" or make you any better than anyone else - you should count yourself fortunate and realize that by bragging you damage the provider who did you a favor and show yourself to be an unreliable immature ass.
Other situations that call for the same gentlemanly discretion or STFU:
a provider offers you services that are YMMV and not on her review / menu
a provider likes you and hangs out with you a bit
a provider decides to do some traveling with you and cuts you a low rate or trades for the travel
or she was just in the mood with you to try some different sexual experience or situation
or she asked if she could try something out on you that she is thinking about adding to her menu
and I am sure there are others
none of these are cause for "bragging" - they are reasons for appreciation and discretion.
that her prices are too high is if potential clients don't schedule an appointment with her.
That means, you should NOT negotiate with her in person or any other way.
For example, a provider visits the area and charges $600 per hr. if she gets emails and calls saying it's too high is she gonna change it? I don't think so. If she only gets 3 appointments she might not come back again or she might lower/discount the rate the next time.
Another example is if I'm seeing a provider regularly that charges $$$ and she raises it to $$$$ I will simply not book with her at the higher rate. She might ask me why i don't book with her anymore or just ignore me all together but she also might contact me to offer her old rate. Point is, haggling with her is not gonna make her change her mind.
Here follows the true story of how good intentions went bad, how things went bad and how misunderstandings are generated. The names are aliases and but the dollars are real and are used for emphasis.At a Meet and Greet party in Atlantic City, many of us met a knock out provider known as Miss M. Many of us tried to schedule with her that day. Her rate as advertised was 400/hr or 700 for two hours with her preference for 2 hour sessions. Her reviews and reputation were excellent but there was debate on whether she was worth the cost.
Fast Forward to June to where she came to DC and agreed to see a few gentlemen the next time she was in DC. Discussion ensued were she was told by many of us that DC was a 300 town. She felt that it wouldnt be a problem and thus two gentlemen scheduled sessions with her at the 300 rate.I wasnt present at that party.Along comes August and I and some others received email that she was coming to DC and was available for sessions for 350. Not aware of the June dealings and commitments she had made ,I scheduled for a one hour session for 350 as did others. After I had scheduled my session and went thru with it, I found out the two previous "June" gentlemen cancelled on her because she raised her rate with them to 350. I still would have and did go thru with my commitment regardless of what she had agreed with previously with others.Also I am unaware on the specifics of the issues arising between her and the "agency". But that isnt gemane to my story at this point.Back to me and my session, I and a few other gentlemen saw her for 350 and I had a good time with her . Will I recommend her to fellow hobbyists? Yes. Will I see her again? No. not at 350 . I just wanted to satisfy my curiosity and had to pay the price. It is satisfied and my decision to not see her again at that rate is purely economically.Following that session, I received an IM from a fellow hobbyist who asked how she was and I told him , she was ok but her rate was high. When I told him the rate was 350, he laughed and said she was seeing others for 250. I asked whom and he told me Mr. Y had negotiated her down to 250 and was bragging to him what fools we were for paying such an outrageous price. I quickly emailed Miss M and confirmed my suspicions that he probably got a half an hour for 250 and that was confirmed. Of course Miss M was pissed that everybody knew about it but I said that was between her and Mr. Y.
."I guess my point here is: a lady comes into our town saying her rates are firm, and rides in on her reputation of excellence and professionalism and then negotiates . well thats ok. Thats ok but for him to go bragging about it and putting a spin on it of all ladies will negotiate and we are fools for not negotiating. Well thats NOT ok.Now many of us will read this as gossip. Many of us will read this as good info.
Many of us will read this as a point of view and even one that sounds like typical XDOG whining.So be it.You may take the info for what it is worth and it is validated for
.I guess my point is IF YOU NEGOTIATE AND GET SOMETHING, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND KEEP IT BETWEEN YOU AND THE LADY AND DONT BRAG
.Germane comments are welcomed and What do you guys think?
respectfully
XDOG
that certainly WOULD deliver a message. How could it not? She might be annoyed (and may not negotiate with any of those guys individually), but it would bring home an economic point (assuming that the actual number of appts dropped too). Mind you, I would NEVER do this myself, as I just look, admire, then skip over any lady outside of my comfort zone. I have an appt coming up soon with a lovely lady who offered a modest special - but it was enough to put her at my ceiling price. I actually mentioned this to her when scheduling. I figure feedback is good. Yeah, there was a slight risk that she could have reacted in some way to this mention, perhaps thinking it was a breech of decorum - but since I was THANKING her for the special at the same time, I went ahead anyway. No problem
i agree. you make an innocent comment and she could take it the wrong way. people that get offended easily are a turn off so maybe its good to know if theyre like that.
"Mind you, I would NEVER do this myself, as I just look, admire, then skip over any lady outside of my comfort zone.
i think your'e probably like most hobbyists, who DONT try to haggle.
equivalent of a lady trying to upsell with "extras", longer appt or a doubles her friend.
as that is something that I thought about when I added that comment (if she was offended, then it would be an indicator that we wouldn't be a good match). Some of this lady's web site text actually is a bit of a turn-off to me for that very reason. But, after reading reviews of her, she sounded more like the down-to-earth fun type that I like, so I'm thinking some of her web persona is probably just a young lady who is a bit immature in expressing herself and understanding the impact those words can have. I'll find out for sure soon enough...
efforts, so for the time, effort (screening, traveling to & from) & money still spent, why bother? Pay her going rate, & skip the ones above your price point. If enough skip, their price point will come down ... if not, good for them!
Here follows the true story of how good intentions went bad, how things went bad and how misunderstandings are generated. The names are aliases and but the dollars are real and are used for emphasis.At a Meet and Greet party in Atlantic City, many of us met a knock out provider known as Miss M. Many of us tried to schedule with her that day. Her rate as advertised was 400/hr or 700 for two hours with her preference for 2 hour sessions. Her reviews and reputation were excellent but there was debate on whether she was worth the cost.
Fast Forward to June to where she came to DC and agreed to see a few gentlemen the next time she was in DC. Discussion ensued were she was told by many of us that DC was a 300 town. She felt that it wouldnt be a problem and thus two gentlemen scheduled sessions with her at the 300 rate.I wasnt present at that party.Along comes August and I and some others received email that she was coming to DC and was available for sessions for 350. Not aware of the June dealings and commitments she had made ,I scheduled for a one hour session for 350 as did others. After I had scheduled my session and went thru with it, I found out the two previous "June" gentlemen cancelled on her because she raised her rate with them to 350. I still would have and did go thru with my commitment regardless of what she had agreed with previously with others.Also I am unaware on the specifics of the issues arising between her and the "agency". But that isnt gemane to my story at this point.Back to me and my session, I and a few other gentlemen saw her for 350 and I had a good time with her . Will I recommend her to fellow hobbyists? Yes. Will I see her again? No. not at 350 . I just wanted to satisfy my curiosity and had to pay the price. It is satisfied and my decision to not see her again at that rate is purely economically.Following that session, I received an IM from a fellow hobbyist who asked how she was and I told him , she was ok but her rate was high. When I told him the rate was 350, he laughed and said she was seeing others for 250. I asked whom and he told me Mr. Y had negotiated her down to 250 and was bragging to him what fools we were for paying such an outrageous price. I quickly emailed Miss M and confirmed my suspicions that he probably got a half an hour for 250 and that was confirmed. Of course Miss M was pissed that everybody knew about it but I said that was between her and Mr. Y.
."I guess my point here is: a lady comes into our town saying her rates are firm, and rides in on her reputation of excellence and professionalism and then negotiates . well thats ok. Thats ok but for him to go bragging about it and putting a spin on it of all ladies will negotiate and we are fools for not negotiating. Well thats NOT ok.Now many of us will read this as gossip. Many of us will read this as good info.
Many of us will read this as a point of view and even one that sounds like typical XDOG whining.So be it.You may take the info for what it is worth and it is validated for
.I guess my point is IF YOU NEGOTIATE AND GET SOMETHING, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND KEEP IT BETWEEN YOU AND THE LADY AND DONT BRAG
.Germane comments are welcomed and What do you guys think?
respectfully
XDOG
If you get something extra, or a lower rate or see someone off the clock, do not tell even someone who you consider a “friend” That friend will most likely tell someone else and you may not have been intending to brag, but news can spread fast. This is a pretty small community and word travels.
I have been burned by someone I thought was a “friend” in the past, and it caused issues that had me walk away from the hobby, and TER for some time. It is much safer to keep it to yourself
fathom the backlash if I start blurting... and I really don't want to. i'd much rather be squirting
hahahahaha!
i'm gonna consult my magic wand and get back to y'all later on this one;
Come on 50 bucks babe.....? Xoxoxo
Ridiculous. At best it makes you look foolsh. At worst it stirs up controversy, discontent, and causes XDog to use the whole thing as an object lesson for the rest of us.
Here follows the true story of how good intentions went bad, how things went bad and how misunderstandings are generated. The names are aliases and but the dollars are real and are used for emphasis.At a Meet and Greet party in Atlantic City, many of us met a knock out provider known as Miss M. Many of us tried to schedule with her that day. Her rate as advertised was 400/hr or 700 for two hours with her preference for 2 hour sessions. Her reviews and reputation were excellent but there was debate on whether she was worth the cost.
Fast Forward to June to where she came to DC and agreed to see a few gentlemen the next time she was in DC. Discussion ensued were she was told by many of us that DC was a 300 town. She felt that it wouldnt be a problem and thus two gentlemen scheduled sessions with her at the 300 rate.I wasnt present at that party.Along comes August and I and some others received email that she was coming to DC and was available for sessions for 350. Not aware of the June dealings and commitments she had made ,I scheduled for a one hour session for 350 as did others. After I had scheduled my session and went thru with it, I found out the two previous "June" gentlemen cancelled on her because she raised her rate with them to 350. I still would have and did go thru with my commitment regardless of what she had agreed with previously with others.Also I am unaware on the specifics of the issues arising between her and the "agency". But that isnt gemane to my story at this point.Back to me and my session, I and a few other gentlemen saw her for 350 and I had a good time with her . Will I recommend her to fellow hobbyists? Yes. Will I see her again? No. not at 350 . I just wanted to satisfy my curiosity and had to pay the price. It is satisfied and my decision to not see her again at that rate is purely economically.Following that session, I received an IM from a fellow hobbyist who asked how she was and I told him , she was ok but her rate was high. When I told him the rate was 350, he laughed and said she was seeing others for 250. I asked whom and he told me Mr. Y had negotiated her down to 250 and was bragging to him what fools we were for paying such an outrageous price. I quickly emailed Miss M and confirmed my suspicions that he probably got a half an hour for 250 and that was confirmed. Of course Miss M was pissed that everybody knew about it but I said that was between her and Mr. Y.
."I guess my point here is: a lady comes into our town saying her rates are firm, and rides in on her reputation of excellence and professionalism and then negotiates . well thats ok. Thats ok but for him to go bragging about it and putting a spin on it of all ladies will negotiate and we are fools for not negotiating. Well thats NOT ok.Now many of us will read this as gossip. Many of us will read this as good info.
Many of us will read this as a point of view and even one that sounds like typical XDOG whining.So be it.You may take the info for what it is worth and it is validated for
.I guess my point is IF YOU NEGOTIATE AND GET SOMETHING, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND KEEP IT BETWEEN YOU AND THE LADY AND DONT BRAG
.Germane comments are welcomed and What do you guys think?
respectfully
XDOG
Point being....STFU if you and a young lady come to "agreements"
It's kinda a double edged soared. As noted by others, attempts to explicitly negotiate are futile and open you to being "perceived" as cheap. Hence, I just keep it moving when I come across potentials who are out of my hobby budget.
HOWEVER: the annoying part, in particular with the so called VIP types, they post, IMHO, outrageous hourly rates such as $800 per plus. If you're not a porn star or B level actress/model and are some unknown, random provider then STOP, really!?!?!?! The porn star types at least offer fantasy fullfillment that you can sleep with some sexy you've seen on the big screen and/or you masturbated too. Then the investment can be justified by those into that type of thing.
Hence, as the saying goes EVERYTHING is negotiable. This is the foundation and basic component of all business transactions. So this is the annoying part to me that if a lady, who has no problem invoking the..."this is a business" rules when you're time is up; can't invoke those same rules when it comes to pricing is absurd.
Hence, if they come off as "annoyed" at the thought of "negotiating" rates via their advertising or persona it is a clear sign that we are not a good match.
"HOWEVER: the annoying part, in particular with the so called VIP types, they post, IMHO, outrageous hourly rates such as $800 per plus. "
Every time I hear " ____ is worth what someone is willing to pay..." I think to myself only a person who doesnt pay for it would say that. It's ridiculous. So, if I go to 7-11 and pay $200 for a gallon of milk the manager can now mark up the price to $200???
Not gonna happen.