Why is it that Tgirls enjoy a sense of community among themselves, while that camaraderie is lacking among admirers?

Is it just a basic difference between men and women?  For example, in any Ladies Room there is much chatter and teasing, while in the Mens Room everyone is careful not to make eye contact.

Is it because Tgirls are out to the world about who they are, and can easily find one another?  While admirers don't generally let their friends and aquaintances know about their unusual sexual desires, so don't feel comfortable approaching one another in friendship?  Just imagine the last time you were at Peanuts.  Groups of girls laughing and chatting while solitary men stand around looking uncomfortable.

It seems that we are, generally, solitary creatures, caught in a netherland between worlds.  Neither the straight world, nor the gay world understand or accept us.  I would even venture to say that the Tworld doesn't understand us.  It seems that we are somehow missing out by not being able to talk and laugh and joke with each other, except on these boards.

Anyone have any thoughts?

P.S.  Kudos to Piqued for trying to lessen the distance between us by inviting get-togethers at Peanuts.

bracbra;
    Enjoyed reading your post.  One thing I've noticed is that we(admirers)often don't understand and accept our own feelings.  I'm very close to two girls whose ex-boyfriends used to cover their penises, pretending that they were non-existant.  I've read posts where guys emphatically state that they "have no interest" in the girls penis, as if that made a difference.  Even guys who venture here with such curiousity(you know they are dying to try a girl) yet the first sentence is "I'm straight, but..."  I think many of us are insecure, plus we are men.  We don't share insecurities, weaknesses, etc. as readily as females.  It's apparent on these boards.  If a guy posts on the other boards and has reviewed a ts girl, another poster will make a big deal out of it.  This paragraph is rediculously long....

I'm posting using an alias b/c I think I might piss people off.

Firstly, there has always been a "guy in a raincoat" stigma about solo guys in sex-oriented places like tittie bars, massage parlors.  Generally guys there alone tend to remain so.  I think partly this is due to some people being plain  embarassed that they are there.  This has changed as the gentlemens club has turned into more of a socially-acceptasble party spot but is still very true at, say, an asian MP.

As for the tgirl scene, its a little more complex.  While many of us do begin statements with "I'm straight", I think many of us also think the other guys are bi or even gay (otherwise, why say it?).  So, approaching another TGirl chaser might either be construed as a gay pick up or might, even worse, lead to one by the other guy.  I have absolutely been in tgirl bars when another patron has started chatting me up and I'm thinking, "This guy must be bi.  Am I getting picked up on?"  I'll even admit that when a dude looks more straight, I'm more likely to respond.

For all I know, other guys think the same about me.  Alot of this also might be due to my own insecurity about my sexuality.  Why am I so concerned that some other guy will think I'm bi?  Shit, I'm very comfortable with my gay friends in neutral environments, why do I clam up at a tgirl bar?  Maybe I'm fooling myself?  All I know for sure is...strange things are afoot at the Circle K.

BTW: I'm a regular poster but I'm using an alias in case I offend anyone.

yo devil,
why would that offend anyone?
okay, maybe some closeted guy who talks to the mirror and sleeps with his mother (not that there's anything WRONG with that!), but it's only human nature to possess self-doubt in EVERY arena, so why not sexuality -- which in my long years has proved to be the MOST complex, obessive, wonderful, undeniable, blah blah blah! Sex is more important than life. At least that's what Darwin said. So it's got to be at least as confusiing as life, and if anyone has that one figured out, please post it on every board! anyhow,
the more I open up to my TS 'friends' the more I find out about the pain they still deal with in their lives. Don't know why that so surprises me, but I guess I figured living in l.a. with everyone being so open and west hollywood being such a huge haven for alternative lifestyles...but it seems the TS community is a micro-community of shunned beings within a larger, but still micro-community of less-shunned beings. Reminds me of how poor white trash would heap it on their black neighbors just so they wouldn't be at the bottom of the barrel. Maybe that's a poor parallel? Maybe not. Where was I? Oh, right, this paragraph is WAY too long...but just wanna keep the dialog open.

don't bother me either.  Besides, I go to 7969 to get contact info and look at the advertised goods.  I don't give a crap about the social aspect or bonding or going to the Yukon.  I'm looking to make dates, get numbers, and develop private friendships strictly for the purpose of tgrl poon.  As far as that gay shit is concerned, bottom line, it's 2 dicks.  That's it, however you want to define it is up to you.  The thought of being with another guy is completely off limits with me, but being with a tgrl is still 2 dicks. With me the thought of gay, straight, or bi doesn't even enter my mind.  I'm just thinking it's something that I want and I don't take it any further than that, .......a chick with a dick, I want, end of story.

Bracbra,

I do have two advantages or edges over "island" TS admirers that frequent Peanuts who exhibit anti-social behavior:

1) I've come to know those I have met in person beforehand through their numerous postings in here going back months, so I have that "bridge" of commonality and familiarity going with them. Those I have met so far confirm what I've come to suspect about them all along -- that they are decent, intelligent, well adjusted human beings who just happen to share my admiration and/or lust for beautiful T-girls. I simply don't see them as complete strangers in other words.

2) I reside more than three hours away, so the fear of being exposed or outed to an unsympathetic cold world isn't riding on my sleeve as it might be with those who visit from the greater Los Angeles area. I hate to admit it, but I would probably be somewhat hesitent to be social with any male patron if Peanuts were in my back yard.

As far as the girls acting like one giant sorority, well, who else would they turn to for support and understanding ?

Ooooh, August is here. Time for another Peanuts fix soon!

Didn't piss me off.  Reveal your identity.(non sexual expression of friendliness)  By the way, does anyone know the origin of "piss people off", or similar usage of "piss off"?

Ironically the anonymity that we enjoy here is the thing most of us fear the most of losing. The alienation that we anguish over is what keeps us in bondage. I liken it to a confession to a priest or provider. There is an intimacy that is created by the confession and we give money to those who hold the secret. Secret revealed holds no power over us and in exchange there is a sort of power from not being oppressed by the secret. The truth does set you free.

Interestingly there is a site for European Admirers and TS where most people seem to know each other and have regular meetings in places like Amsterdam, Paris and Milan.It helps in that often tips are passed on and also you can ask for information and they would go out and get it if they can.