I really want to hear your thoughts because I may be mistaken, but it seems like clients take advantage of the desperation and vulnerability of trans women in the sex work industry.  

Everything that's standard and expected for biological female escorts is questioned and disregarded when it comes to trans escorts. As trans women, we're expected to just go for anything because it's well known that many of us are estranged from our families, discriminated against in the workplace, and in desperate need of money. Because of this...

-Our rates can't be over $400 unless we look like supermodels
-We can't do any real screening on clients because they're worried that they might get doxxed and people will find out they like trans women (Like this routinely happens to anyone other than rappers and athletes)
-We have to answer overtly inappropriate and explicit questions under the guise of "This is my first time with a trans woman."
-We can't have any boundaries or expectations without being kicked to the curb or told we're asking for too much
-(Maybe it's just me) We rarely get booked for more than an hour or two at a time
-Very few of us are given the high-end companion experience like dinner dates, trips, and shopping (Yes, many high-end bio female escorts do these things in addition to private sexy time, so please don't act like this is foreign. It may be uncommon for trans escorts, but I want to know why)

and so much more that would never fly with genetic women.  

Case in point is the answers I received when I asked about screening on the general discussion vs. the transsexual discussion board. Most of the clients in the general discussion board expressed no ill-will towards screening, and some even expressed that they offer/ask about screening before being prompted by the provider. In the TS discussion board, on the other hand, clients responded in a very hostile manner and maligned providers who dare to screen. One gentleman, whom I won't name, flat-out said that he will do light screening with genetic female providers, but absolutely no screening with trans providers, proving the overall point of this post.

Is there an overall devaluation of trans women? Are we good for nothing more than wild sex? Maybe clients are simply responding to the dynamic that most of us set with the way we present ourselves in our ads and social media. I'm not trying to argue, I really want to understand. If you're a client in the hobby who books trans providers, please chime in and respond to any of the points above. Thank you.

Interesting question, hopefully this could lead to a healthy discourse. As someone who sees both trans & cis women I could give you my perspective.  

 
I think for most men who see trans women it’s more about a fantasy they want fulfilled vs seeing a cis woman it’s more about companionship. Which can answer your question of why men would potentially pay more or book more time with a woman vs a trans woman. In my personal experience cis women tend to be more compassionate & nurturing during a session. With trans women generally it’s been less romantic & more on the kinky side which isn't a bad thing, just different. More about the act of fulfilling a fantasy that is taboo for a straight man to be doing. I.E. bottoming, sucking dick etc. I think for most men the taboo nature of meeting a trans woman is the most exhilarating part which is what drives men to see trans women. For cis woman, the romantic aspect is the main driver that men seek. I want to note that I’ve had very romantic sessions with trans woman so I don’t want to generalize but that has been my experience on average.

To address the screening, as I said on your previous post. Men really don’t want to be exposed. Most men who see trans women identify as straight. So if there was ever a possibility of them getting exposed not only would their lively would be at stake but their sexuality would also come into question by family/friends etc. If a woman exposed a man generally it’s brushed off unless he has a wife/GF. I have friends who openly talk about paying for sex from cis women but wouldn’t dare tell me if they ever been with a trans girl. It’s more of a social stigma. All that said, I understand why trans women can be more brash because unfortunately there are a lot of dick heads who reach out to them that are total time wasters. Trans women definitely get more shit from guys than cis women do, I do agree with you on that front. Hopefully my perspective could give you some insight.

I can't speak for any of the guys who replied to whatever questions you asked in a CIS thread. I might assume that guys who post in those threads are frequenting higher end escorts. There are statistically more CIS escorts than trans escorts, which means there are also a broader range of price points.

Everything I posted in your other thread about what I won't do for screening with a trans escort was not exclusive to trans escorts. I won't send a photo of my ID, I won't share work info, I won't use my real phone, and I won't send a deposit to CIS escorts. As I posted in that other thread, I understand that these choices limit who I can see.

But I can say with 100% certainty that I treat everyone I meet with respect. It's a job. I get it. But I try to joke around a little, make sure she feels safe with me, establish boundaries. None of this changes.

FYI, one other interesting thing that might help you understand the psyche of customers: many providers CIS or trans will not discuss services via text or phone and don't often list clear services in the ad. That means a customer is showing up with something in mind that might not be on the proverbial table. He can leave, which I have often done, with a trail of expletives following me because I supposedly wasted her time. When I first started out, I stayed and the services were rushed and not much more than I could do by myself.

This makes total sense and confirms my thoughts on the topic. You can't get mad at paying gentlemen for seeking out the experience they're fantasizing about, but it is very disheartening for me personally as a trans woman who would love to explore the companionship aspect of this industry. I will take accountability and admit that my marketing is not on the level of genetic female high-end escorts who regularly get booked for long, companionship-style sessions, so I can't put all the blame on clients. Despite my amateur marketing, I've met some great people and had great experiences, but there's always room for growth. Maybe things will get better as I continue to improve myself. Thank you for the thoughtful response!!!

I don't think it's a matter of devaluing them. But some of these have become expectations because it's what most in the industry are doing. If I have good options in the $300-$400 range, why would I pay more unless you're bringing something to the table that I feel makes you better than those options? That's like being the gas station across the street that charges fifty cents more per gallon and wondering why business is slower.

 
Same issue with screening. If there are enough who are not doing it, then some clients will take a hard pass if you want to do it. And yes, part of the issue is many trans clients are more concerned about it getting out. It's not something so easily accepted by friends, family, and coworkers. I'm sure you understand this as someone who has transitioned.

 
I'm pretty sure cis women get plenty of clients asking inappropriate and explicit questions who claim it's their first time with an escort. And, yes, it certainly may be different for a trans woman. The difference may be volume of clients. A cis provider might be more comfortable blocking a troll. Whereas, a trans provider might feel more desperate for the business. I'm spit balling here because this is an area I'm less familiar with.

 
And, of course, very few of you are given high-end experiences. That's because very few of your clients are public about their interest in trans women. Going out for dinner means being exposed in public. As the previous response pointed out, many men see trans providers because of the fantasy and sex, but not for companionship.

 
As for the responses on this board, IMO, some of them were being jerks. Not everyone knows how to disagree and still be respectful. I'm sorry you had to deal with them. And, I do not envy you and what you have to go through in this industry. I can only imagine the challenge of being a trans provider.

Listen babe, you are drop dead gorgeous and attract a lot of men.  I'm really sorry on the behalf of men but probably 70% of us are assholes.  Please ignore them.

You are correct about many of your gripes but just please know there are a lot of well-meaning guys who would love to get to know you.  I recently had my first experience (I will be posting my review soon) with a goddess of a TS woman.  She was everything I could have hoped for and more.  However, when booking the appointment, she didn't ask for any verification.  She didn't ask for a photo or facetime, both of which I was happy to do but would have preferred facetime if I had a choice.  Anyway, I asked her later how she handles security and her personal protection and it was basically "I know how to read people".  That makes me worry about her safety.

I don't want to cross any boundaries, but I'd love to spend more time with this woman.  I brought up taking her to dinner, but she said, "Too personal".  Any suggestions?

Anyway, if you decide you need to verify the person booking the appointment, I think facetime is the best solution or disappearing photo on Whatsapp.  Either one I think you are justified in requiring for your safety.  BTW, I don't think you will get many complaints from decent guys who won't let that get in the way of spending some time with a knockout like you!

I have spent thousands of dollars on  ladies who looked nothing like the pictures in the ads. If someone needs screening it is the providers not the clients. On my end it's called TOFTT, I usually stick to a few ladies to insure safety and enjoyment. I recently started stating in my text or conversation that I will walk if the girl is not the one in the picture. Even with that there is no guarantee of good service. We are all not Aholes looking to ruin your day. Most of us are just gentlemen  looking to have a mutually enjoyable experience and will pay what you ask.

That’s valid but I don’t know how that pertains to the topic at hand. You hardly addressed anything I said. Are you saying that clients aren’t as kind to trans escorts because a lot of us use fake or overly photoshopped photos?

“If I have good options in the $300-$400 range, why would I pay more unless you're bringing something to the table that I feel makes you better than those options?”

Further proving the point I made about not being able to charge a livable rate unless you look like a supermodel or have a rare quality like a huge, fully functional penis that cums like a fountain multiple times a day. I find that unfair. I also read some of your reviews and all the girls you rave about charge more than $300-400 so I don’t know why you pushed back on the rates part.  

I don’t have a response to the screening comment. I would like to screen, but I don’t plan to start anytime soon because I’m not in a position to lose business. Luckily, I’ve never run into anyone dangerous or sketchy.

Thanks for the empathy and understanding at the end.

I was making a point. We’re talking about most guys. Not every guy. I’m not every guy. Also, assuming we’re talking specifically about TS providers, most of the ones I saw were in the $300-$400 range when I saw them. But yes, I have paid more on a couple of occasions. And, I had my reasons. Keep in mind, ladies do raise their rates. The price you see now might not have been what I paid when I saw them.

 
And, obviously, the lower your rate, the more you need to hustle to get more volume or have a side hustle. Don’t mistake my points to suggest you have it easy. I made that pretty clear in my last paragraph.

I am saying that there are many individuals who where not brought up to be respectful and are to put it bluntly asshole! I simpatize with your plight, just factor all the BS into your pricing and discount your fees to regular gentleman to encourage repeat customers.  
PS. A girl who baits men with fake photos is a common  thief.

I had a lady I saw not that long ago. When we were finished, she said she liked me and I was nice. She said if I came back, I would get the regular $100 less rate. Smart approach.

I guess that either I was brought up different, or it’s an advanced years thing. I don’t treat anyone different, because that’s the way it should be, right down the line. Having said that, I can say that a lot of people treat others differently. Age? Build? Race? Etc. Yes. I’ve seen it and am disappointed, even irritated to see it, or to be on the receiving end. Yep, I’ve been treated differently by people, including providers of every stripe. I see both cis and trans providers, and have been treated well, or badly regardless. The amount of roses I can actually afford makes a lot of decisions for me, so whatever the provider expects is up to them. The level of income can be expected to track with what clients think you are worth. I have to smh at what some providers think they are worth. I don’t think it’s purely a cis or trans thing. But, there are a lot of guys with more disposable income than me. So, it’s available for providers who want it. Further, I wish that I could book longer dates, and include dining out or other activities. So far, it turns out the only person I have been able to do that with is trans. There are others that I would love to, but can’t.  
I would say, and it’s just based on my observations, that being treated differently/poorly is something that can happen across the board, not due solely to a person’s status. You are in a service business with lots of variables, and things don’t always seem fair or equal. You do a great job of providing a lovely service. Any mistreatment is not on you, but the idiots you deal with. And that, I have to say, you are going to experience, as you can only control yourself.

Life isnt fair. Period. End of story.  

Hot chick with a pussy can charge top dollar. Can sell her butthole for even more than the pussy.  

Ugly chick cant sell the butthole for what hot chick gets for pussy only. Life isnt fair.  

Dick goes for less than hot pussy.  

Huge dick that is well performing can sell to right market.  

Small dick attached to hot trans can sell.  

Small dick attached to ugly man is given away for free. Life isnt fair.  

Butthole on hot trans can sell for a bit more than butthole on ugly chick.  

Butthole on ugly trans isnt going to sell for much. Life isnt fair.  

Its pretty simple when you break it down. If you dont have certain traits you arent going to make as much as those that do. Its all supply and demand. Nothing more..nothing less.  

If you want to talk not fair....all of us guys here have to go hunt for or pay for pussy. We cant go sell ourselves because....life isnt fair...no one is buying what we have. Should we cry unfair? Or submit to screening and a deposit?

I’m still pretty new to all this, and I’ve definitely had a few bad experiences from trusting just the pics and the ad. I’m learning as I go, and now I’m a lot pickier. I make sure there are enough real reviews, especially since some people warn about bait‑and‑switch stuff.

I’ve only seen TS providers so far, not CIS, so I can’t speak for everyone—but I treat everyone the same. Everyone starts at 100 points, and it only goes down from there. I get that people have off days, but with the kind of money we’re paying—whether it’s 300, 400, or even 700—there should be some level of professionalism. If someone isn’t feeling well or can’t offer what’s in the ad, it’s better to just cancel than force it.

I’ve never treated an escort as anything less than equal. I’m still figuring things out and trying to learn. I’m looking for someone who actually wants to have fun, who enjoys both giving and receiving, and who stands by what they advertise. I still see “VIP” fees for $200+ just to kiss or be touched, and I honestly don’t really get that yet.

I do think there’s still some stigma around TS women, even though it’s getting better. I once took a TS provider to lunch before our appointment, and I didn’t care at all if people stared. We had a great time, then went to a hotel and had an even better time. I really think it all comes down to who you meet and the chemistry you have.

Anyway, sorry for rambling. Just keep doing what you’re doing. You’re clearly doing it right. Ignore the bad ones—they’re everywhere.

I am a supported of equal rights for everyone. Adults have the right to have sex in what ever form they chose. They do call it the sex industry. I personally prefer Trans women at this stage in my life. I think ladies can charge what ever they want, the market place sets the price. I respect all the ladies and told some to contact me if they  were in trouble. During Covid I helped a  lady pay her rent saying it was a prepaid fee I never planned collected on . I sent that same lady an expensive camera for her videos.  All of this was to pay you all back for the little pieces you spirit I may be taking since your options in live have been restricted due to the prejudice you all face. I wish the best to all the ladies I have hade the pleasure to meet.even the ones who ripped me off. It was their loss I only lost money. Time to get off my soap box. Peace ✌️

Great way to look at it. Solid.

Regulars don’t get discounts LOL

Bullshit like this is why nearly every sex worker has had negative experiences with regulars, whether it be pushing boundaries, asking for discounts and freebies, or expecting special treatment because they’ve booked more than once. Regulars do not get discounts or special privileges, EVER. Point, blank, period. That woman is desperate and needs money by any means, further proving my point that clients take advantage of the precarious situations that many trans escorts are in.

I doubt you would ever tell a genetic female provider to give clients discounts. The way you all proved my point that trans escorts are heavily devalued in this industry is gold. The disrespect and audacity came out so naturally. I hope things get better in the future. We have so much work to do.

None of this pertains to anything I said. I don’t care about the market or what’s “expected”. If you’re a client who wants to book a trans provider, there is no reason you should expect to pay less if you truly value that person. Market/societal norms be damned.

No one asked for it. She offered. I see nothing wrong with her taking that approach. You don’t want to, that’s fine too. But you seem to have this you against the world approach on these boards. I actually liked you at first. But you’re a bummer and becoming a major turn off.

I'm not saying you asked for it. I'm saying that certain providers offering discounts is why some clients feel inclined to ask other providers for them once they become regulars. And with all due respect, I really don't care how anyone who isn't booking a session feels about me. I'm just asking questions and trying to get to the bottom of what's on my mind. If I come off as a "bummer" and a "turn off", oh well, that wasn't my intention, but it's not like any of you who have such strong opinions were paying my bills anyway. Have a nice day!!!😊

"I actually liked you at first. But you’re a bummer and becoming a major turn off."

When I came in respectfully and was open to having non-contentious dialogue with real individuals in this business, several clients gave me their asses to kiss and spoke to me out of turn, so this is the approach that I'm taking now. Like I already said, if we're not on the track to meeting, I feel no pressure to walk on eggshells and not say how I really feel because you're not contributing to my life in any way. I'm not here to suck up to random men behind fake screen names who aren't giving me money.

It pertains exactly to what you are repeatedly omplaining about but its gone right over your head. Likely because you are stuck playing victim.  

Why would i pay as much for a ts than i would a hot chick? Thats not what the market rate dictates.  

Supply and demand create that rate. Nothing more
 Nothing less. No matter how unfair you think it is.  

Lets revisit this in 24 months and ill bet this provider is long gone. This business isnt for folks with the victim mentality. They just dont last very long. I dont think this one will make it with the attitude.

Shit like that is how a lady keeps regulars she likes.  

I can tell the op has never wandered into an econ101 class.  

Tslucyjane..
Did you know most of your econ questions can be answered using ai? It will also keep the kid gloves on so you shouldnt get as offended as you are on here. Seems you are a glutton for punishement if you think you are going to find the answers you desperately want to validate your narrative on here.

MAJOR turn off

With an attitude like this its not wonder guys are willing to drive more than 10 min and she has 0 reviews.  

In this case id say tslucyjane is her own worst enemy and likey her mouth is what keeps the clients away.
 
I mean ...would you want to spend time with someone with this spiteful victim mentality? Ive seen well over 200 trans ladies over the years and i dont think ive ever seen one that acted like this. Very entitled.

I would say that’s a problem with certain clients not the providers. If a provider wants to offer a discount for regulars that’s her prerogative. As a client, I would never ask for it. That’s just disrespectful. You seeing this as a provider problem is not right. And come on, if they ask, you can say no and have every right to do so. They don’t like it, they can move on.

 
And, you do realize many providers get bookings from their interactions on this board? You’re not in my city, but I do travel. You were on my list should we cross paths. Key word, was. You need to understand the difference between guys being assholes on here and ones who are not. I only ever respectfully disagreed with you and backed you up at times. But a few assholes ticked you off and you decided we’re all the same. Good luck with that approach.

What makes you think 1. That I conduct myself like this with men who book a session with me and treat me with respect and 2. That your opinion matters one bit to me? I don’t have to treat men that are disrespecting me on an anonymous discussion board with the same tact and respect that I would someone who has kindly reached out to me and given me their money to spend time with me. You have zero emotional intelligence.

And you have zero emotional regulation. Work on that.  

How you present yourself on here is you representing your brand. You are the one who is here trying to sell something. You seem like you could potentislly go off the rails if someone says or does something thst offends you. And you get offended rather easily. Thats a big red flag to most guys.  

I have no qualms with you and i hope you succeed in your endeavors. But a serious attitude adjustment will be necessary or you will continue to bottleneck yourself.

"-Our rates can't be over $400 unless we look like supermodels"
-We can't do any real screening on clients because they're worried that they might get doxxed and people will find out they like trans women (Like this routinely happens to anyone other than rappers and athletes)
-We have to answer overtly inappropriate and explicit questions under the guise of "This is my first time with a trans woman."
-We can't have any boundaries or expectations without being kicked to the curb or told we're asking for too much
-(Maybe it's just me) We rarely get booked for more than an hour or two at a time
-Very few of us are given the high-end companion experience like dinner dates, trips, and shopping (Yes, many high-end bio female escorts do these things in addition to private sexy time, so please don't act like this is foreign. It may be uncommon for trans escorts, but I want to know why)"

There are a lot of creeps and asshole clients out there, but there unfortunately are a lot of TS providers out there who ruins it for other providers with bad faith antics (bait & switch, upselling, rushing the session, etc). For whatever reason, I have consistently run into this more with TS providers than biological female providers. Because of these experiences, I do tend to be a lot more skeptical with TS providers (granted, I won't see a biological female provider these days unless she does look like a super model).

I have paid TS providers $400+/multi-hour/overnight /dinner dates/24 hours in the past, but only ones who had a solid/recent reputation on TER. TS Rachel Smithe is one such example. I'm not paying that much if it means I have to TOFTT.

I agree that most trans escorts have set the bar extremely low and given us a bad name. TS Rachel Smithe is a true inspiration.

"I really want to hear your thoughts because I may be mistaken, but it seems like clients take advantage of the desperation and vulnerability of trans women in the sex work industry. "  

-What makes you think every trans woman in the industry is desperate and vulnerable? What makes you think the dynamic between 2 consenting adults negotiating pay for sex is of 1 party taking advantage of the other?
 
"Everything that's standard and expected for biological female escorts is questioned and disregarded when it comes to trans escorts. As trans women, we're expected to just go for anything because it's well known that many of us are estranged from our families, discriminated against in the workplace, and in desperate need of money. Because of this..."

-These are gross generalizations. EVERYTHING? Wow. That's a lot. I'd be interested in hearing from female escorts how great they have it. Interesting narrative you've written about how clients arrive at their unrealistic expectations too, only through understanding that you're vulnerable. Because for you to be the victim, they must be victimizers.
 
"Our rates can't be over $400 unless we look like supermodels"

-As others have mentioned, clients are likely to pay more for better looking partners, female or TS.  

"We can't do any real screening on clients because they're worried that they might get doxxed and people will find out they like trans women (Like this routinely happens to anyone other than rappers and athletes)"

-Your dismissiveness about the concerns of clients aside, some people don't care if they get doxxed because they live their lives in the open and couldn't give a fuck about other people's opinions. Those same people might also understand the risk of giving their name and personal information to a number on a webpage and announcing to that number that they intend to commit a crime. Yes, soliciting prostitutes is illegal, and therefore it's a good idea to be discrete. Also, plenty of TS screen, just not you apparently.

"We have to answer overtly inappropriate and explicit questions under the guise of "This is my first time with a trans woman."

-Asking some questions about services provided and expectations prior to paying is reasonable in any business. I know this may seem contrary to what I said above about discretion, but we're the ones with the money. Furthermore, you have the freedom not to answer the questions despite claiming you "have" to. Some of the guys may legitimately be first timers too, you really don't know.  

"We can't have any boundaries or expectations without being kicked to the curb or told we're asking for too much"

-Plenty of TS have boundaries and still do great in this business.
   
"(Maybe it's just me) We rarely get booked for more than an hour or two at a time"

-Yes, it's just you.

"Very few of us are given the high-end companion experience like dinner dates, trips, and shopping (Yes, many high-end bio female escorts do these things in addition to private sexy time, so please don't act like this is foreign. It may be uncommon for trans escorts, but I want to know why)"

-Given? Really? This is a business. No one is giving you anything and I doubt you would give anything to us either.
 
"Is there an overall devaluation of trans women?"

-The market dictates price.

"Are we good for nothing more than wild sex?"

-That's most likely what you're being paid to do in the sex industry. And in the context of the economic relationship you have with most of your clients, I would say yes. As a human being? I would say no. Don't conflate the 2.  

 "I'm not trying to argue, I really want to understand."

-I don't believe you want to understand. I think you want to improve your business and think "understanding" your clients will help that. I told you in another post that the questions you're asking should be asked to another provider, not this board. I don't think you'll get the help you're looking for here. I also think that for someone not trying to argue, you've done a damn good job of it.

 

This thread has turned into a master class in claiming victimhood on your part, and by proxy, saying that all people who engage with TS sex workers are victimizers. I strongly disagree. Many clients genuinely care for the sex workers they involve themselves with, and I've met plenty of TS sex workers who are not victims, and don't whinge about their clients or how unfair the conditions of their lives are. These boards are not a stand in for therapy. This is a business and many of us involved, both clients AND providers, treat it that way. That view doesn't mean we're setting out to victimize you. If that's how you feel, it's a you problem.

We are not here to solve all the social problems in society, relax and live in the moment. Ladies like TS Carmen in LA and many other mature providers get paid well deliver excellent service and done so for years. My friend the OC Girl who recently retired was always a pleasure to visit. If you need to understand the business and not let it consume you reach out to a pro for counseling. I wish you the best doll. 😘