what do  you  guys  think? one  of  my posts was erased by  naming 2  t  girls  in  San  Diego who are HIV infected (this  is is  not just rumour i  heard., is something  i  now know  as fact) i  really  believe something  should  be  done about this., but instead my  post didn't make it on  the  public  forum! i  guess is  against  the  rules., from  now  on  i  would be  even more  cautious about seeing  providers,  this  is a  small circle we all see the  same girls and so ... not  only WE are at  risk but also the other T  girls who  are Hiv negative., even though is  everyones resposabilty to  play  safe .,  it  does bother me to see how  can these girls still advertise as escorts !  are they safe? i  have my  doubts since sometimes when we get Horny we go  that "EXTRA MILE" since i  can't mention  names here (to  protect the reputation of confirmed HIV positive  t girl providers ) i'd like to just give an  advise to everyone seeing escorts in  San Diego (not that other cities dont have them  too) be  careful be  very  careful and use condoms even  for  oral! it  will  make a  diference for  us  all.   really!

EVEN WITH CONDOMS YOU CANT BE 100% SURE YOU WONT GET INFECTED THIS IS A MORAL ISSUE THAT SHOULD BE CONFRONTED EVERYONE HERE IS LOOKING TO HAVE A GOOD TIME WITH PROVIDERS SOME EVEN ADVERTISE AS D&D FREE AND EVEN IF U ASK THEM I DOUBT ANY OF THEM WOULD TELL U THE TRUTH THINK ABOUT IT IF A TS ESCORT GETS SICK  MOST DONT HAVE NORMAL JOBS HOW ELSE WOULD THEY PAY FOR THEIR MEDS LETS NOT KID OURSELVES THERE OUT THERE BE SAFE EVERYBODY

Go for it. Always use a condom and you can't go wrong. Besides, from what I've read, the HIV indicator is not going to lead to a full blown case of AIDS. Check out the work of Peter Duesberg if you disagree. Do you want to stay healthy? Eat right and stay away from drugs.

OK I am going to chime in here I suppose?

Here is my take on the matter. Like I stated in an earlier post that was deleted. NO we actually shouldn't post on the boards about a womans/TS/whatevers heath period! And the reason for this is it would put TER at a legal position that would jeopardize this great website that all you guys, and we providers enjoy using every day.
But that said! I do believe that you as hobbyist should protect yourselves and be able to warn others. The post I spoke of in Vegas was that of a disgruntled man that could not pass the agencies screening to see a very well know provider. Hence he started a vicious rumor that she gave him Herpes. When all the smoke cleared it was just that a rumor started to get some sort of payback at this woman, for his lack of wanting to go through the required screening process to see her.
OK the point I guess I am making is this...
If you have factual information on a provider, be it a GG or a  TS, you need to post something that will not be fuel for any agency, or legal institution to go after our beloved TER.
Instead of saying "So and So has this disease" Put a post out there that has something to do with facts, and say that if any one wants more info to PM you here on your TER Mail. (OH! you say your not a VIP? Well help support this site and become one lameo)
That way all said claims rest solely on the person sending the mail, and not on the website.
I had a friend here in SD that was ripped off by a provider and her GF. He does not have the savvy to use TER,(his loss) to know the facts about her, and he lost. But I posted on the SD board how mad I was that this could happen. Because I love what I do, and hate to hear bad things about how a providers can do such things. But I did not post the providers name. I instead posted that if anyone wanted to know who it was to PM me here. That's all you guys need to do. Do NOT go against the rules here. That’s why Hairy bears post were modified. It was solely to protect TER and not to censor him, or do anything like help the TS in question.
Today I had booked a guy for a session for Sunday night, He later called me back, to talk about a few things. I got a feeling that this said person was a High Risk for STDs. So at that point I said thank you but no thank you! PERIOD!
You guys need to be careful, and to look out for one another. But you cannot spread rumors of any kind on the boards. Kibitz amongst your selves, but DO NOT! Put any risk of losing this great tool you have at your fingertips, by such irresponsible posts. Think responsibly, and play the same way please.
Well that’s my take on the whole thing…………

Cheers!
Kyliesd x0x0x


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Hiv may  not develop AIDS but to  stay  healthy you  DO need to stay on  medication  for life!   not to  mention the emotional and side effects that comes  with the  medicine.,once  someone  becomes positive  of  course  they  need to have a  positive  attitude eat well dont drink no  drugs but that does not  guarantee that "someone" will stay healthy and the  HIV ghost will haunt "him" forever! how could  you  keep this  secret? specially if  you are married have  roomates and so  on.  and  yes Condoms aren't 100 % safe but not  using them it  is 100% unsafe! and they DO work!  i  never had an  STD in  my  life so  the  thought of  becoming HIV infected it  does scares  me.   i'm  not  planing  to  see anybody  in  the  near future (for  good)

can anyone give a specific example, as in a name or case number of a tgrl escort that successfully filed legal action for damages for doing something that is illegal in the first place?  "Excuse me your honor, but do to the revelation that my client has aids, her business has dropped off to the point where she only gets to butt ram six customers a week instead of the usual forty seven."  What do you ask for in damages, the difference between how many guys you fuck now and how many you fucked then?

For any provider to make a case, they would have to hire a lawyer at  100 plus an hour (depending on the lawyer) or shell out on a flat retainer, probably 2000 bucks.  Thats not including fees and paralegals (80 an hour).  And how about selecting a jury?  Have fun!

Besides, just because one person says another has aids/whatever, does not make it true.  I happen to think you are better off in the extreme safety mode because, lets be honest, whenever someone say "play safe" there is a hidden assumption that the provider or the hobbiest may have something.  Too bad, it's part of the risk/game.  If you don't like taking tgrl chances, take up checkers.

If someone wants to name names, that does not mean the whole world will cave.  In the history of this forum, how many threads were on tgrls with aids and how many were focused on the aquisition of tgrl mugumbo?  I'd say the ratio is way on the poon side.

Besides, a forum like this should be angular and full of fire. Tgrls are not for kids, it's a dynamic experience that most within the scene can handle.

Once it comes out that any specific provider, TG or GG, is HIV positive, continuing to work should be a felony.

But I was speaking about posting it here on the TER boards. NO WAY should a provider still be working if she knows that she is HIV positive. But neither should a hobbyist see providers if he knowingly is positive as well.
OH and yes like it says........ If a provider is known to have AIDs, and she is busted again for prostitution it is punishable as a felony.

Kylie

This  "person" has been in  trouble  with the  law for being hiv positive if  she gets in  trouble  again she will be gone forever! (and  yes that will be a serious felony)

Hi Hairy,

Please PM me with details about who these girls are!

Mack

I think TER should offer some corner of dialogue specific to this issue, even a specific portion of the boards.

Could anything be more serious than lifelong or life-threatening disease? There isn't much debate on this issue. If a provider thinks even in the smallest percentage that she is a risk, she needs to stop, get cleared, and then begin if she's clean. I add that the exact same standard applied to us hobbyists -- if you so much as suspect that you're suspect, then hold off.

I realize this is is expecting people to be responsible, but so be it. I think that if TER offered a corner on the unpleasant topic itself, it would gently force folks to actually BE more responsible, since this is a community of communication.

Lastly, who are those potentially infected persons? Or others. Mail me. Thanks.

I'm a  standard member  so i  think i'm  not  able to e  mail anybody here., i  will  gladly give  you  details on  these  2  people who are HIV positive  (not only names but  also other details including dates of arrest and real names .,you  can  confirm all of this )some of  the  local  girls will tell you if  you ask  them it  seems  they all  know  each other.   one of  them gave  me specific details on  this  matter also told me  about  this  other T-girl who died of  the  disease and was a  good  friend of  the two other who advertise on  eros., they attend to a local support group in  the  gay community  and there's  more but ... just  give  me your personal  e  mail and  i  will tell  u  what i  know.

hey h-b, just fyi, you can EASILY  find a provider listed at TER whose website link needs updating and file a problem report and get 2 free days -- for each one you report! next time you cruise thru to check some girls out, see if you don't stumble on one or two with dead links but who have current ads on eros or exotics or wherever. report them, get the days and then answer my personal mail! lol!... along with getting to read some SWEET juicy details!

Hairy Bear- Your insight into this issue, and the potential details you could share to help us play safe are appreciated.  At the risk of sounding confrontational are you a member LE? of have any past, present, or future affiliations?  If so, any other info you could offer (like how not to get busted) is also appreciated.

i wish this were getting more attention. it's very important.

Anyone interested in the "Names" just send me  an  e  mail and  i  will  reply .