Transsexual

Re:Next Step In Human Evolution Is...asexual?
capndude 6 Reviews 2130 reads
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Don't really know an answer to that, but I dread that there will not be one.

Ghost In The Shell2356 reads

Earlier today I began to wonder, “If mankind has reached a point where our technology can shape the world and enviornment to conform to our needs, does that mean mankind has reached the endpoint of it’s evolution?”

Enter the transsexual.  The transsexual uses technology to dictate biological change to reach a desired form.  The transsexual in a sense is the mating of humanity with technology.  With this mating as my example, not only has humankind reached a point where we are mastering our enviornment, but rather we are mastering the direction of change as a function independent from the enviornment.

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idy-ayy-ehh...I think !!

Seriously, I think there is an elephant in the room and no one wants to say hello. What is the TS attraction? Think about a person that wishes so much to be something other than that person is, that they will endure... whatever! To be Sexual? What is our comittment to being sexual? A GG comes with her gifts, A GM comes with his. Most will just settle. It is about sexuality, not money! I Could be wrong...?

My attraction is based upon the TS girls' comittment to sexuality. It goes way beyond my comittment, or any  person I know. Just sexuality! Maybe once achieved, there will be SRS or something, but that person's comittment to being sexual far exceeds mine. That turns me on!

Maybe this is the wrong forum, but I had to say it! Once said "just turn the page, and I will fade away!"

hey capndude,

interesting thought and i do not disagree. except to say that in thailand (and i presume elsewhere as well) there are more than a few gay men who try to pass themselves off as ladyboys because the client base for that market is larger and therefore the potential money is greater. so, it does happen.

perhaps in the states, such a tv/cd would be considered relatively 'passable', but compared to the *real* ladyboys of thailand they are seen for what they are - roleplaying for money.

then again, that can be said for most p4p can't it? ;) though usually the roleplay does not involve disguising their gender.

but i do like the concept that the ts's commitment to her own sexuality drives her against all odds to achieve same. yeah, that is hot. desire is what it's all about after all.

Sounds like you have first hand experiences ...

And here I thought this thread was going no where !

Interesting observation about Thailand. I can only observe through other's eyes. I assume that it is more an "industry" there. Still, that part of the world has produced some of the most wounderful (sexual) entities I have known.

Don't really know an answer to that, but I dread that there will not be one.

I think you are onto something, Cap.  Like the old Avis ads says, when you are number two, you try harder.  Trannies try harder.  (Hey, that would fit on a tee shirt!)
Your Thai reverie reminds me of a passage from an online FTM memoir I read a couple of years ago called The Greatest Lie. Here is what the the memoirist wrote.


I think that if you could get honest answers, a lot of heterosexual guys would probably admit to having had at least a passing desire to be a girl. If they were honest, they would probably admit they thought of it "when I first noticed a girl's breasts" or "when I first felt a girl orgasm with me," but of course, most men would lie and deny it for fear of impugning their masculinity.

I think that's the reason why most therapists who treat male-to-female transsexuals believe that their transsexual patients are really gay, and that their claimed transsexuality is really just a defense against powerful feelings of guilt about their homosexuality. Thus, therapists make transsexuals jump through flaming hoops such as the so-called "one-year real-life test," the requirement that a patient live as a woman and undergo intense psychotherapy for at least a year before for sexual reassignment surgery.

Therapists have incorporated this dogma into the so-called "Harry Benjamin Standards of Care." But they adopted the real-life test without any empirical evidence, based solely on their supposition that many self-described transsexuals must be liars or delusional, reasoning that: "If anyone ever asked me if I wanted to become a member of the opposite sex, I would lie. Therefore, when this purported transsexual claims to be a girl inside, and wants a sex change, he is probably lying, because that's something all men lie about."

This logic is ridiculous: who could endure the expense, pain, humiliation, discrimination, and victimization that transsexuals experience unless she really felt her outward gender was wrong? But just try telling your therapist you're transgendered, and see what he does.

The real-life test makes even more intolerable the cruel dilemma that confronts the MtF transsexual: should the transsexual attempt to pass through a life of misery masked in the outward appearance of her birth gender, or should she adapt her outward appearance to her soul's gender, and attempt to "pass" in the eyes of the outside world?

It would help an unsympathetic world understand this dilemma, and incidentally reduce the incidence of spousal abuse, divorce, and sexual assault if all guys had to dress and live as girls for a week as a rite of passage: let's call it "GenderWeek." After a "femme initiate" had lived under the sexually interested gazes and intimidating physical presence of males, and learned to live with the expectation that the appropriate response to these pressures are indulgent smiles and responsive flirting, he would learn to moderate the extremes of his subsequent masculine behavior.

On the other hand, if you made boys live as girls you would probably increase the incidence of transsexuality in the population, as some guys got addicted the tug of a satin thong catching in the crack of their buttocks.

Perhaps a secret, latent tendency found in the male population explains the overwhelming numbers of transsexuals you meet in trans-tolerant climates like Thailand. By some estimates there are three hundred thousand male-to-female transgenders in a population of sixty million.

Perhaps more boys become MtF transsexuals in Thailand because it's more easily done in a country where nine-year-olds can buy female hormones over the counter and young adults of eighteen can get their surgeries without first having to justify themselves to two shrinks for at least a year.

Or maybe it's a product of the influence of the Thai creation story: a love triangle between Itthi, the first woman, Pullinga, the first man, and Napumsaka, a hermaphrodite. Itthi preferred Pullinga to Napumsaka, who becomes jealous and kills Pullinga, and thereby loses Ithhi's love and dies, leaving Itthi and her children alone, to repeat the love triangle of creation in the next generation. Perhaps these stories explain the Thais' tolerance for, and discrimination against, their transgendered minority.

This fascinates me because I am an American post-op MtF. I was on my way to Thailand to investigate Thai transsexuals as I continued my academic research on the behaviors of transsexual sex workers, in the steamy, tawdry cabarets and bars of Chiang Mai, Bangkok, Phuket and Koh Samui.
See http://nifty.guiltygroups.com/nifty/transgender/college/greatest-lie/

Thanks for starting an interesting thread, Cap

Perhaps some comments from a transsexual would help those gents who are serious about understanding transsexuals.

"Ghost" is right, thanks to the mating of human evolution with modern medicine and technology  transgendered people can realize many of our dreams.

But even as the visibility and acceptance of transgendered and gay people (and our admirers and lovers) increases in mainstream society, it's still only 40 years since the birth of the LGBT movement and demand for equal rights at Stonewall.

We are still the pioneers of human evolution.

And that includes the men who love us or enjoy our special pleasures.  You are the evolution of what perhaps will be the next wave of enlightenment and evolution of mankind.  Be proud of your interests and desires.

It's only been since the 1970's and really only since the mid 1990's that effective surgery and technology has been available. Before that sex changes weren't an option.

LAtenfour is right too, there are many men who work as ts escorts simply to make money.

I would say it's wrong when a guy advertises he's TS - then shows up with a padded butt, stuffed bra and 5 o'clock shadow.

I also know top quality escorts who advertise as TS, but do not take hormones, and do not really identify as women, but have extensive surgeries (short of cutting off the money maker)so they can make money as ts escorts.  But if they look and act the role, who's to say that's wrong?

And who is to say if someone is a transsexual or not.  Each person must define that for themself, and the definition may change over time.  I have TS friends who are gorgeous and on hormones yet live publically as men.  Others who live as women and are as proud of their boytoy as any man reading this.

In some ways that's the beauty of being a transsexual - I'm a woman, but I'm not.  I'm a man, but I'm not.  I'm both, and I'm neither.

I'm a "boygirl," a transsexual - the third gender.

We are here to stay and as mankind evolves you will see more and more people making the decision to live their lives in the gender they need and desire and not as society, family and religion mandates.

Get over it - or enjoy it.

Luv,
TS Jamie

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