Why do many purveyors of Shemales feel a need to profoundly state that they are not "Gay" but thoughly enjoy devouring the Shemale's member or getting backdoored as gay men typically do?

Same reason a lot of guys enjoy their girls/wives using toys on them.  Guy = being attracted to men  "Gay" men aren't into shemales.

shemale lovers are not gay. gay men like the smell and sweat of men.its like now days girls like girls and men. there are bisexual girls there is bi men. younger people are into both men and women,and most of the time women are into women. but there are straight guys that like to see two women get it on and like tgirls to play with.and i mean they dont like the back door they just want time to have fun and be with that person.

"Purveyors?"

Because sexuality is wonderfuly complex, especially when you get to unusual cases like transsexuals.  It's often quite difficult to label anything but the most 'normal' situations.

I consider myself not gay because I am not at all attracted to the male physique.  As in, the person has to look like a woman when they're wearing clothes.  As a result, I see both transsexual and 'genetic girl' providers and both are fun.

Take a walk on the wild side sometime, you might find a whole new area of your sexuality.

So what do you consider yourself? Bisexual? Straight?

Can't speak for everyone else, but bi-sexual, no.  Bi-sexual means you are attracted to both sexes.  I am definitely not attracted to "men."

I'm sorry because it is not my intention to "stir up the nest", but a lot of you guys are in denial. It doesn't matter that you aren't attracted to a "masculine man." A lot of you seem to enjoy one piece of the male anotomy in particular. If you derive sexual pleasure from having a penis in your mouth or in your rectum, I'm sure that qualifies you as being gay. Just being realistic here; these are really just men on horomones.

Just my two cents, so don't get too upset with me for not "understanding."

I beg to differ, but if you suck cock and eat pussy, you are bi-sexual!

My personal definition of gay is being attracted to the same sex not so much for sex but as far as wanting a relationship with the same sex individual.

Just having sex with the same sex ( or in this case, with someone who appears to be female but has a cock ), certainly qualifies as bi-sexual no matter how you slice it.

Susanna

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I would have to agree with Big Jo. I have read on here that most guys consider themselves not to be gay because they are not attracted to masculine man but if your attracted to a man on hormones, wearing lipstick and a wig its still a MAN. If there are two dicks under the sheets and one of them is yours, your gay. If you have a dick in your hand, mouth or butt and one in your pants your gay. A genetic girl or wife with a strap on or toy is just that "a genetic girl or wife with a strap on or toy nothing more or less." I have a lot of TS friends who say that the majority of you guys want to be topped now if that isn't borderline gay I don't know what is. I am very sure that the majority of the TS's license say M for sex not F or TS.  Not saying there is anything wrong with it just be honest with yourself and call it what it is. I am sure you would be a lot happier and would probably play a lot safer.

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Agree with the above responses.  I don't know how a man who sucks dick or is attracted to a man sexually can say they are not gay or bisexual. That's why this down lown behavior is such an epidemic now. Men in denial. If you are bisexual just say it. I don't see anything wrong with it or being ashamed of it. I have many gay male friends and I thought one who was very flamboyant was a bottom until he outted his boyfriend and said his very masculine muscle bound lover was a bottom! I always thought the really feminine gay men were bottoms but that's not always so.

Just my two cents but I wonder why people have this desperate need to "label" people as straight, gay, bi, or whatever.  I think labeling people and putting them in a "category" degrades them and that ain't cool.

By the way, I used to hang out with this TS and she had a valid drivers license that said she was a female.  I don't know the whole story but I think she probably petitioned the DMV or the courts to change her gender on her drivers license.  I was with her at the Queen Mary one night and this asshole bouncer wouldn't accept the license, said it was fake and that he was going to call the cops.  She said go ahead and call them.  After a huge big scene (just what I was in the mood for) the bouncer relented and apologized.

And if this doesn't top it all off:  The scene at the Queen Mary hapenned right after a 3 way that I had set up with her and a real girl (who hapenned to don a strap on and use it on me).

Just label me wild!

While I agree (to a degree) with VanessaVixen and BigJo I have to speak up.... I'm a Bisexual male. I'm not Gay... I'm not straight... I'm in the middle.. I'M BISEXUAL. That's not denial .. just fact... I love Pussy... I love Dick... I love transexuals because they are the best of both worlds. What's that jingle?  "Double your pleasure...Double your fun!!"

Face to face with a masculine guy in the sack is NOT a turn on. A pecker thru a glory hole?... ok I can do that. Oh I've tried guy/guy encounters.... just not the same as having a lovely trans laying next to you..... A guy in a wig?  Nope... Doesn't do it for me... It must include that feminine mystic that is in the heart as well as the body.

I'm Bi... I'm Proud! I'm a sexual animal!

Hahaha...I'm a shemale lover. Am I gay as in "I like men and get fucked in the ass?" No. Now I do love to suck shemale cock, but I never ever even let them get near my ass, which is a big reason why most shemales won't even date me, because they want it both ways. If anything, I would consider myself bisexual, I like cock and pussy. But, I don't like cock on a man, and if I liked men I'd be a trisexual then. Trannies are they new sex, they're the "X" gender I should say. Most men had childhood experiments on which they got to touch or feel a cock in a certain way, and that curiosity most likely surfaces later in life and manifests itself in different ways, and it ha s a lot to do with your view of yourself, your preferences and the degree of curiosity.
In my case, I always thought about cock, but men never got me hard or horny, only women did. So, to me, a cock on a woman, or the closest thing to it, is the ultimate erotic feeling. I chose trannies over men. Does that make me gay? You be the judge. To my understanding, no.

I don't really much care about labels. Who gives a shit. If you are getting hung up on a "label" you probably need to get a life that requires you to use your mind and brain to think of other things.

Why does anyone have to call themself anything?  Why can't we just be "people?"  As my buddy Rodney King would say:  "Why can't we all just get along?"

I'm not trying to be funny, but that's the kind of response that I've seen from drug addicts and alcoholics. I don't mean to ruin anyone's fun, and by no means am I saying don't participate in an activity that you enjoy. Just be honest.

BTW, labels are a good thing. I can tell you that I love music, but if I leave that statement open like that, you might wind up getting me a cd in a genre that I don't like. Music isn't just music, because not everyone loves all brands of music. I love having sex with real women with natural big tities. I don't wish to be intimate with a man, whether he is dressed as a woman or not. Some of you enjoy having sex with men pretending to be women. But in the end, they are still men. Statements are made about how one individual enjoyed trying to stuff a females cock down his throat, but females don't have cocks. Men do. I'm sorry if that disturbs you, but facts are facts.

And everyone uses labels. How else would you know where to find TS providers?

MY two cents. I was ist introduced to ts ladies a long time ago in Hawaii, my very first sexual experinence was with a lady I met there. I had no idea she was a ts nor did I know what a ts was. We became intimate and by the time i realized there was a plumbing issue I was too excited to care, she provided an alternate that was very satisfactory. Several yrs later while posted close tro Dc I met a ts lady and we got married in Myrtle Beach SC. She passed in '93 from the effects of diabities, she'd had it as a child and even had breast cancer at 15. We never had enough money for srs, this was in the late 70's-93and alweays a pt of saddness for her. Our lovemaking was fairly conventional I was the man and did the man thing, she was a lady and did the lady thing as possible. After finding this board and several others I have been surprised that many men enjoy performing oral on ts ladies and being topped. While this surprises me I don't think this makes them gay. My late wife had many gay friends and gay men are not attracted to women. I fail to see the pt of this thread except to attempt to call names and show disdain for people based on their sexual attractions, and try to force them to justify themselves. People in glass houses ought not throw stones.

I don't know.Is there a label that shows you where to find TS providers. And to me the best music doesn't have a label attached to it. Just my opinion.And really,BigJo,what is the point of putting labels on one's sexuality? Do they have to stand in a different line or use a different bathroom or drive a different car. Nobody has ever asked me what my label is. Have they asked you that?

The fact that you equate us with drug addicts and alcoholics says a lot about you.  I label you insensitive, bigoted, small minded.  Just "being honest."

Of course females don't have cocks.  Transexuals do have cocks and you're posting on a transexual board, get it?  The fact that posters or reviewers refer to TS's as "she" or "her" I think has more to do with the TS's self identity than any misperception we have as to the TS's gender.  Why do you have a problem with that?  The fact that you feel so strongly about all this leads me to believe you're really insecure about something, but I won't venture a guess as to what.

I would suggest that since you have such a problem with the whole TS thing that you post elsewhere, but I respect your right to express your feelings whereever you feel is appropriate.  

Peace out!

Hey man, I've said my piece. I apologize for not making my statement clearer. I don't equate men attracted to TSs to an addict or an alcoholic. That was more in reference to those who wanted to change the subjects by discussing labels. If anyone is familiar with interventions, then you would see what I was talking about. I've had to confront individuals with problems, and their first response is usually, "I'm not addicted to X, why are you trying to ruin my fun?" Instead of addressing the point, the subject gets changed to why am I trying to label them. If you read my post properly, you would see that I wasn't trying to condemn anyone. I said to do what makes you happy. My only point was to be honest with yourselves. If you were offended by what I said, then you are probably one of those who isn't being honest. Not that you are looking for anyone's approval or respect, but I have more respect for those who are up front like cuddlemeister. No need to get your bp all worked up over a post on a message board.

As to why I am posting on a tranny board, I was curious as to what is going on in some of your minds. I saw the topic and the responses, and added my two cents.

VanessaVixen thinks of a TS as a man on hormones, wearing lipstick and a wig.  Most TS's I've known do not need a wig or breastforms, and have genuine feminine mannerisms (not effeminate), curves, and looks ranging from reasonably to completely passable.  And most of their driver's licenses show an "F" (maybe they failed the test?).

Those who would peg everyone into classifications, like gay or straight, (or gay, bi, or straight) sell short the wonderful diversity of human sexuality.  In reality, it's a multi-faceted spectrum.

It should be up to every individual to discover and classify (if they choose to classify) their sexuality, without outside pressure or recruiting efforts.  I question the motives and honesty of anyone who would say, "C'mon admit it, you're gay".  My first suspicion would be that such a person is a gay activist, engaging in a gentler form of outing.

Great post, THANK YOU!  I wonder how post-op fits into all of this.  When you consider post-op, this gay/not gay and gender discussion doesn't hold water.

Thinking out of the box, there are too many men here who like having sex with male to female transgendered persons and seem to worry about (not labels) but self sexual identity of gay, bisexual, or still hetrosexual, about themselves.

Drop it. I am in the crowd that believes self identity (labels?)destroys personality unless one is free to feel and enjoy what life has to offer.

Last, but most importantly, the facts are there are as many female to male transgendered persons (or transsexuals if you prefer the latter word), as there are male to female transgendereds.

The problem is men are chavanistic once again, worrying about themselves instead of honoring all humans whether biological female or male, but sexually peferring other than what the bible, Koran or other cultures have left us with.

Yes, you are gay, bisexual and hetrosexual all at once, and your wife, girl friend, female partner is as gay, bisexual and hetro sexual as you:  that is until you have a baby together and then she is asexual and you are a bum.

That's where you are wrong cwd. The majority of guys who seek TSs don't go for post-op. You see, we aren't really talking about the providers here. We are talking about the guys who enjoy them. You guys seek fully functional pre-ops and that's why we have this whole gay/not gay discussion.

people are in denial on this discussion board aboard what a male is and what a female is and what is considered gay or bisexual.

thats the plan and simple truth!
shall I continue?


The word homosexual translates literally as "of the same sex," being a hybrid of the Greek prefix homo- meaning "same" (as distinguished from the Latin root homo


this community considers some one who feels like a woman a woman

thay are women. with a extra package.