i was thinking about this last night, we all seem to be very generous with our ratings ,think about it, and i am as guilty as anybody , how can we give a provider a 7+ rating if they wont even really kiss us? if we get any kind of gfe we jump right to 8 or higher on the rating scale! pretty much if they dont rush you out the door and they get hard it is a 7+ rating ,5 is a average rating ,but we all think that 5 is a bad experiance!!

ssteveowens is one of our long-term contributors and more prolific reviewers (39 reviews of pre-op TS) and posters (191 posts since 9/13/2005).  So first of all, thanks for all this good work, I hope you know that it is appreciated.  Many of us have benefited from it.

Your comment about ratings is commonly called inflation.  It is apparent in many things - our money, the grades in our schools and the performance ratings we give our superiors, peers and subordinates in our jobs to name just a few.  The trick is to determine what the curve looks like in terms of where a particular rating falls in relation to others.  For ssteveowens the distribution of his ratings are as follows:

Appearance:

2 – 10’s
5 – 9’s
9 – 8’s
8 – 7’s
7 – 6’s
2 – 5’s
3 – 4’s
2 – 3’s

Average = 6.8, Median = 7, Standard deviation = 1.8


Performance:

1 – 10
4 – 9’s
7 – 8’s
9 – 7’s
5 – 6’s
2 – 5’s
3 – 4’s
4 – 3’s
4 – 2’s

Average = 6.1, Median = 7, Standard deviation = 2.3


First of all let’s keep in mind that this is NOT a random sample.  Generally ssteveowens can be assumed to be exercising some selectivity in who he sees and therefore who he writes a review about (although a few cases do clearly fall into the category of “what were you thinking?” – oh, that’s right you were thinking with your other head weren’t you?).  What this means is that he can generally be expected to see more ladies where there is a high degree of personal attraction.  Accordingly we see a distribution of appearance ratings skewed to the high end – 24 out of 39 reviews are rated 7’s or higher in appearance.  This is to be expected and unfortunately doesn’t mean very much (beauty IS in the eye of the beholder) unless there was some form of deception in the advertising (or our buddy ssteveowens was horny and just looking for any port in a storm – you’re going to have to read his reviews to find out).

Fortunately ssteveowens appears to be more discriminating when it comes to performance.  He is clearly not overwhelmed by just the ladies appearance.  The correlation between appearance and performance ratings is less than 5%.  His performance rating distribution curve may still be concentrated around 7-8 but the overall curve is much flatter (standard deviation of 2.3 versus 1.8 for the appearance ratings).  What this means, besides the fact that you can never judge a book by its cover, is that he would appear to be very fairly objective in his performance ratings.

When I am doing my homework I carefully check not just the reviews on the lady in question but also the review history of the reviewer(s).  I have discovered that you can’t put much stock in the appearance rating except to determine if there is some kind of deception taking place – too much personal bias with this one.  Fortunately, and for obvious reasons, performance ratings tend to be a little more objective, but again this can vary by reviewer.  Unfortunately, TER does not allow multiple reviews of the same lady by the one reviewer.  I think this should have a time limit, say one year, because things do change over time.  It would be good to know if appearance and performance have been consistent over time.  Who best to make that judgment than someone who has returned for a repeat performance?  

Anyway, ssteveowens is clearly one of our better contributors.  Fortunately we have many.  So when you are doing your homework on a lady and ssteveowens or one of these others has seen her, you have a pretty reliable benchmark for guidance.  The reviewers who give consistently good marks might also be very selective, i.e. good at doing their homework.  With such a subjective topic this obviously varies by reviewer which is why I always check not just the reviews but the history of the reviewers.  It’s the one-hit wonder reviewers that concern me the most.  I always take those with more than a few grains of salt…

Regards,

TS Tempted


P.S.  ssteveowens has only ever awarded one 10 performance review – you can do the math on that one.  Photo and profile link below:

-- Modified on 5/4/2007 9:18:52 AM

i love time effort you put in and anytime a statistical breakdown is involved i am all for it!! but back to the true gfe experiance ,there has been only a dozen or so providers (real passion total real dfk) kiara/topaz, mia(mia fever) basha(not so much the 2nd time with her),summer holiday, ednita,ashly allstar(local boston girl), carmen,taylor saintjames,this is a list of girl who really should be rated as true gfe's. i could really feel there passion, not just going through the motions, other providers have provided the great sex but without any kind of real gfe ,so how should we rate these girls?if you give them a 6-7 that is a outstanding rating for a provider who did not even let you suck there tounge, they really fucked the shit out of you and blew a load down your throat or all over your face and made you come real good,a 7 is a fair rating i think.

Gee guys, I hate to stick my 2 cents in here. but I think you are missing a valuable point.

You can rate us until you are blue in the face, but the one factor you cannot add in is that an experience for one guy may not be the same with the same girl for the next guy.

We are not machines, and we respond to you all the same way you respond to us. If a guy comes to see me, and he is over weight, somewhat dirty, and not very personable, do you think that I am going to fall all over myself for him?

I always try to provide a great experience no matter what, but if someone has bad breath, lousy teeth, etc. I won't want his tongue down my throat. So that guy goes out and writes a review that says I do not give GFE, and of what value is it? Nothing.

I think personally that what you gain from looking at reviews is not a micro-managed data bank, but a generalized overview. Your attempt to run a statistical analysis is amusing, and realtively valueless.

Susanna

Gee, I've never been accused of over-thinking things before .

I didn’t mean to imply that there was value exclusively in either the specifics or the statistics of any reviews, but merely indicative and at the very least interesting.  I look for a good review to tell me all that but more.  I want to know what the experience FELT like and this is much more difficult to quantify and depends entirely on the SKILL of the provider and chemistry between the participants as PEOPLE.  Unfortunately too few reviews do.  Mostly the reviews help us all to avoid risk and, since most of us have only limited opportunity, reduce the chances for a poor or unsatisfactory encounter.

Thanks for your comments,

TS Tempted

-- Modified on 5/4/2007 3:46:01 PM

nobody ever said your job was easy,but i am talking about is going into a contract allways being freshly showered fresh breath and acting like a total gentelman, then not being treated totally great, it is no work at all if the guy is hot and you are turned on by him, you should not even charge for that!!most of us are not models and when we pay for a service and your service is to provide us with a fantasy of you WANTING to be with us. we should rate according to what we really get out of the deal, a 5 is a passing grade  ,yes i got what i paid for no more no less a 7 is a very good grade a memorable experiance, 8-10 should be for those very few mind blowing experiances! and we hand them out way way too often, that is my point.

if a client comes to you in a unacceptable state( dirty,drunk, bad breath,ect) tell them!! DONT JUST TAKE THERE MONEY!!! if you know you cant provide the service to the best of your ability be professional and just say sorry i cant give you what you want good luck,  this has happend to me twice once because i wanted to be topped and she knew she could not do it and once because i was just not attractive to the provider, both times i was totally cool with them for not wasting my time or money,if you know your not going to provide top notch service dont blame the client blame yourself for being greedy!

This means nothing really. I'll admit its not easy to find a girl you're compatible with. But in my experience, reviews have completely failed to notify me of anything other than the providers appearance/stats and accuracy of pictures in ads. Thats it.

My best experience ever was with a girl who had completely mixed ratings. From "went the extra mile" to "should have stayed at home", Ive seen her everytime she has been in town and twice went to her town.

Another thing. We cant tell people how to rate girls. How does that make sense? I mean, a 10 for me could be an 8 for someone else. Maybe Im not into what youre into.

For me, the attitude is just as strong as the looks. You could be a godess but if you have a bad attitude you go down to a 5. Nothing in my opinion overcomes bad attitudes.

Now Im not saying go see a girl who has nothing but "RIP OFF" reports, but dont let 1 or 2 negative comments discourage you because you could be missing out. And if you didnt have a good time, geuss what? You have the awesome power of never having to see her again! Nice, isnt it? So you wasted some cash, its not the end of the world and you get the chance to explore others

As far as the cleanliness issue goes... Im no provider, but if I was and someone showed up smelling bad or dirty, I would send them away. Im sure some dont because they either need the money or simply concerned for their safety. But I for one, appreceiate the girls who dont go all the way with nasty people.

Obviously TSTempted has too much time on his hands  and apparently so do I...  Actually I'm waiting for my slave to arrive so we can shoot our next video!  Giggle.

And Steve obviously has lots of discretionary spending money, so come spend an evening with us sweetie!  I promise the best GFE of your life, with all the passion you can handle.

Other than myself we seldom hear from the girls on these threads.  So girls what do YOU think about the way guys rate you? Or do you even care?  Thanks Susanna, great post!

My experience is that unlike the gg's (genetic-girls) it's hard to get men to take the time to write reviews.  Many, if not the majority of the gents who date TS's (at least in my case) are looking for a one-time "experience."  Usually when a guy does write a review it's either because he was extremely pleased with his date or extremely unhappy.

Therefore the ratings tend to fall either into the  8-9-10 range or the 1-2-4 range. A provider is either "quality," or a ROB, and the robs have themselves delisted.  Therefore the curve is toward the higher ratings.  Therefore "average" (5) becomes "failing" (0) so what we really have is a 5 point rating system.

The problems result from the subjectivity of the number system.  Everyone looks at things differently and has different expectations, such as Steve mentioned in his post regarding passion.

I personally feel if there's no passion how can it be GFE?  That said, chemistry plays a LOT.  And guys, there is a difference between having a girlfriend "experience" and "having" a girlfriend.

Some people just hit it off better than others.  Sometimes the gentleman is nervous or shy, and it's just not possible to build the passion he might have hoped for.  And sometimes there does have to be a mutual attraction.  If a girl isn't turned on it may not carry through.

But should things like passion be part of the numbers?  Maybe there needs to be a third number for GFE or PSE level and grade that separately.  I think this is where the text comes into play.

It's all hard to quantify.  The only saving is that a series of reviews tends to point toward the probability of having a good time or not.  And the worst crackhead rob girl may be exactly what some guy tweaking at 3 am is looking for.  So who are we to interject our opinions anyway?

Anyway, my slave is here, I'm going to go take my aggressions out on her ass - you can watch the results in a couple of weeks!

Giggle,
TS Jamie

-- Modified on 5/4/2007 9:27:01 PM

With all due respect Steve, this doesn't work in reality.  Refusing service after arrival may lead to a "scene" which nobody wants.  Especially if it disturbs one's neighbors or hotel mgt.

I think it's incumbent upon the person seeking the service to be very specific as to their needs, if such is important to them over other aspects of a freindship / date.

While it is unfortunately true that some men could use better hygiene - even some really nice gentlemen, and some guys need to see the dentist occasionally.  The fact is that oftentimes these situations don't become apparent until you snuggle into an armpit and gag. Or try to kiss a mouth full of rotten teeth hidden behind great caps.

And let's not forget there are providers who could benefit from an occasional bath.

So far as topping ability goes, that's a different story.  If a girl can't or doesn't top she should be up front about it and not take money knowing she can't provide the service.

But guys really - transsexuals aren't machines.  The boytoy doesn't pop up like a jack-in-the-box just because you walk in the door.  YOU have to make some effort too.  It's a providers job to please you, but honey it't YOUR job to please your provider so that she can please you.

And remember everyone this is supposed to be FUN!

Ok - now I'm REALLY going to go beat my slave!

Giggle,
TS Jamie

-- Modified on 5/4/2007 9:14:46 PM

I could not agree with Steve more! Preformance ratings for TS providers is way out of line when compared to GG. I see all this talk about hygene problems, and although I'm sure they do occure it has to be a small percentage. To me the real issue is what services are provided. If you try to ask on the phone, you get no reply or " you will be satisfied". If you ask in person, you get no answer until you pay. If you dont like the answer, try getting your money back, not to mention your time and drive. The GG sie of TER has some very good guidlines about preformance reviews. No kissing,cbt, no anal the BEST you should give is a 7.

I will be straight forward, few men have very bad hygiene and bad breath. How you expect to kiss a guy who breath stinks like a sewer. Kissing is very intimate and most TS choose not to kiss for our safety and health concern.

Regarding phone conversations and in person arrangements.  This is becomming more and more of a problem for online dating.

As LE becomes more desperate to justify their jobs in the face of dwindling street operations they are switching to online entrapment.

In some states, Nevada for example.  An online ad or phone call with a price and act is grounds.  All you have to do then is show up.  That's it.  I  know. It just cost me two grand to get one dismissed.

So yes, I'd say providers are being more carefull on the phone, AND in person.  Yes this sucks for everyone.  But it's a sign of the times and we need to adjust accordingly.

And remember, unlike the GG's, trans admirers don't participate in white lists or date-check so we have no way to verify YOUR legitimacy.  So when a girl is carefull it's not fair to slam her for it.

You gents aren't the ones to enjoy the pleasure of being a transsexual in boy jail where the wonderful authorities treat TS's like shit.

So PLEASE guys, give the girls a break when they cover their asses as best they can.

And yes, I know there are a LOT of rip off TS's. The best you can do is get referrals, watch your wallet and give good girls good reviews and bad girls bad ones.

Anyway, I don't want to make you guys angry with me. I LOVE you all!  But since I seem to be one of the few TS's with the balls to participate, the best I can do is present it as I see it.

Hugs,
Ts Jamie
PS - We shot a great bdsm spanking video tonight - watch our site for it's release soon!

-- Modified on 5/6/2007 3:53:43 PM

we are not talking about $20 a trick street walkers, these girls get $300 plus a date!! they better give us the whole pakage!! if a gg provider was asking $300 and did not kiss do you think ANYBODY would give her a rating over a 4? you be the judge.

Gosh, this seems to be a conversaton between about 4 of us.  Come on lurkers what's your opinion?

I agree that you should expect a lot more from a high end courtesan than a tweaker on the street. AND you should receive more.

Though I think "namewitheld" has a good point in that many girls don't want to kiss for personal or health reasons.  To be honest I'm more afraid of catching herpes or a cold thru kissing than an std because I can cover up.  Personally I LOVE to kiss a man (woman,TS...) if I don't kiss, "mr. Johnson" isn't even going to try to get hard.  But it's a personal decision and I don't think not kissing should destroy an otherwise great session and result in a "4" for what might be a "9".

As for prices, I think that a few years ago the internet was mostly professional computer savy gents and high end girls. Then starting about 3-4 years ago girls who would normally be streetwalking discovered Craigslist. They saw the professionals making a LOT more money, so they join the bandwagon and upped their rates, but not their service.  We see the rsults today.  And folks it will probably get worse before it gets better.

Hugs,
TS Jamie

-- Modified on 5/6/2007 4:45:22 PM

Yes have to agree..guys may pay top dollar, but if they are unclean it is difficult to get good service from providers...not because they want to rip you, but because they can't.

bad breath, smelly armpits, dirty behinds cause an involuntary revulsion....after than everything goes down hill. Will a hobbyist rim a smelly behind...i guess not. Then how do you expect a TS or GG to do it.
Both providers and hobbyists should be clean and nice to have great session....it is a two way street.

as i said in another post, if they are in a unaccepatable condition TELL THEM!!!!! dont just go through the motions, i agree it is a two way street ,but before the contract is consumated ,we all want top service and if for any reason we cant get the best out of you , DONT JUST TAKE THE MONEY !! EXPLAIN WHY YOU CANT GIVE US TOP SERVICE AND WE WILL BE ON OUR WAY!!

My experience has been in the UK so may be different than US. Some girls do kiss and some don't. But I would rather know that she does not kiss before I come to see her.
I agree with the health concerns of bad breath and unclean hygiene. But a lot of clients these days know what to expect when they go visiting tgirls, especially the regular visitors.Not all of us are handsome,young men who can attract girls so that may be the reason why we have to go and see escorts and we pay top dollar for it and so should expect a reasonably good time.

i know this is a harsh comparison but if we go to a goumet restaurant and get a mcdonalds hamberger we would be pretty upset, even if we get a good meal that is not world class we would not give the place a rating better than  a 5 or 6,when you pay world class prices you should expect world class service and i just think we all have such low expectations when we see a ts provider that a just ok experiance now seems to be a good experiance, there is nothing wrong with giving a 5-6 to a provider you would see again , you had a good but not exellent time, we should all start with , if a girl gets hard will kiss you and does not rush you out the door that is a 5 , then go from there , if you get anything less than that you should in no way give her anything better than a 4 (of course if you are not interested in being topped getting hard is not a issue for you)but lets get our rating system in line with the gg rating system. that way the less than good providers will get pushed out of the business, and that is good for everybody , the girls and the guys.

I think all this health talk concerning kissing is just so much BS and the hygine issue much overstated, but the real discusstion here is the RATINGS. The girls should choose the services they wish to provide (they run thier own busness). It is up to use to be informed customers and that is the importants of dependable reviews. The reviews for TS girls is not informative. Come on guys, get real!

That is not fair. If by unaccepable you mean the girl does not like the way you look then it's OK to say so and not take the money and not go ahead with the appointment. In such a scenario hobbyist has wasted time and the provider has wasted time and lost potential income.
But if the hobbyist comes in unclean and refuses to take a bath it is no fault of the provider. A good provider would decline to see the hobbyist and again lose potential income and time...kind of unfair i would think. So to get the money they go ahead with the appointment and I would say to that

1.Provider not a good thing to do
2. Hobbyist you deserved it

But realize all this creates bad Karma...the hobbyist is all upset and carries the negativity inside for a long time, affecting god know what aspects of his life.

The provider loses self respect and feels like a street walker for having to sleep with people she hates just to make a living

MORAL OF THE STORY: HOBBYIST RESPECT THE PROVIDER AND BE CLEAN AND YOU WILL HAVE A GREAT TIME. DON'T WHINE IS YOU GET POOR SERVICE IF YOU ARE NOT CLEAN

PROVIDERS RESPECT YOURSELF. SAY NO. THERE ARE MORE THINGS TO LIFE THAN MONEY. ENJOY YOUR WORK. I ENVY PROVIDERS THEY GET TO HAVE SO MUCH SEX

as a final note ,i am sure the gg providers run into all the same issues that the ts providers run into,but the bottom line is you are providing the service and nobody forced you into the profession,and if you are a quality provider a true "pro" you have to deal with less than perfect people, just like any other service industry it is your reputation on the line so dont blame the customer , it is YOUR job to provide the customer with a memorable experiance and it is the customers responability to pay you , that is really it, like it or not that is the truth.you provide the service we provide the payment it is really that cut and dry. we dont have to perform for you , we just have to pay you, all the burden is on you, i know this sounds harsh but it is the truth, just ask any of your fellow gg providers,i can imagine how hard your job must be but ,it is  a job you chose to do so dont get angry if we judge you on perfomance like we a giving a restaurant review, it really all depends on what kind of service you want to provide, it is ok to provide mid level service if you dont say you are a gfe and charge $100-$150 . some people are just looking for a bargain. but top pay and the promise of a total gfe and the $300-$500 dollar dates . we expect more and dont be upset if we give you a 5-6 rating on performance if we dont get it. some times the truth is harsh.

and unless people get the fact that everybody reacts with revulsion to unhygenic situations, they will keep getting poor service and pay top dollar. A far as ratings go I select providers with consistently good ratings, if there are a few bad ones I attribute it to ymmv.

I like to turn the table around and ask the guys: Would you kiss a TS provider who have bad breath or go down on a TS who smell down there. Just remember to brush your teeth for 2 minutes recommended by the American Dental Association and take a shower before coming over. There are rules and regulations, just like Supermarket and Restaraunt which does not allowed a patrons to be shirtless.  TS also have rules and regulations which must be abide by.  It is not all about the money, more of a health concern.