Ok - I happened to be browsing CL in OC to check out the competition... giggle.

So I see this post from some guy complaining about girls not getting hard.  His point was that it's our "job" to get it hard since we are the one's being paid for a service.

Pleeeaze...

I think a little lesson in passion is due.  Nobody, boy, girl, t-girl is going to get very sexually aroused when there is no passion or personal connection with the other party.  GG's fortunately can fake it.  T-girls can't.

Most adults can't just walk into a room, get naked and expect things to pop right up unless you are a 16 year old on a first date.

Often on first casual encounters with someone new there are performance issues (on both sides) due to a lack of connection os simple nerves. And for escorts who maybe experience a lot of sex, reaching a passionate level sometimes takes more effort.

Then there is the guy who is like, "Well I stroked it twice - why isn't it rock hard?"  Dude - try sucking on it and kissing and touching us gently for like 10 minutes...

My feeling is it's YOUR job to turn us on.

Let's hear from the boys and girls and see if Mars and Venus really are different planets.

Be nice!

Giggle,
TS Jamie

Come on girl - he is right. We are in business to have it at attention!

The boys want a hard cock to play with. That is predominantly why they come to play.

" Nobody, boy, girl, t-girl is going to get very sexually aroused when there is no passion or personal connection with the other party" ---- if you are a pro, that's BS!

If you have issues with "passion" - use a Viagra! Boy pays money, boy expects a hard lollipop! Our job is to deliver.

Susanna Moreno

You are absolutely right.  It is OUR job to turn each other on whether we are providers, clients, husbands, wives, or lovers.  And for those who have no interest in interacting on that level, there is always the Sybian or masturbation instead.

Jamie, you are so right,,as an occasional enthusiest,,and a gentleman,,I have found that being involved goes along way in having an incredible encounter. With anything, what you put in, you get what comes,,(did I just say that?)meaning, even providers need TLC. But if you expect a quickie for nothing, then that is what you most likely will get. Hope all is well and everyone, be safe.

seriously, paying attention to what some random says on CL is pointless. Most intelligent men understand this, and the ones who don't aren't worth having as clients.

Mandy

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Most all the guys who i know who are into t-girls are seeking the perfect girl.  The perfect t-girl is passable as a woman.  Is a GFE (girl friend experience) meaning she will cuddle with you and french kiss with you just like a girl friend would.  She is a PSE (porn star experience) Meaning she can fuck like a porn star.  An acrobat who is into many positions and prides herself in her performance ability.  IMO, Rare is the t-girl who posesses all of these abilities.  Most definitely 9 out of 10 t-girls who take hormones will always come short of her peak ability to be the best GFE / PSE escort she can be.  No matter how many t-girl escorts I hook up with who take hormones, and they say hormones has not affected their cocks performance ability, I have yet to meet EVEN ONE who did not have "cock problems".  Since most of us guys who see t-girls also see genetic escorts, I find myself lately seeing more GG's and less TS's because the TS's have been disapointing.  When I can get a half hour rub and tug from a pretty GG for $60 to $80, why would I chance it and be disapointed again paying a TS escort 100, 150 and some seek 200, 250 and more and they can't get it up?

There was a local t-girl who was 5' 4" 120 or so lbs, GFE / PSE, top, bottom, 5" hard as a rock cock that cums once every hour.  A $100 date.  She never posted an ad.  Via word of mouth EVERY guy who was into t-girls saw her.  She was a dream t-girl.  Problem is some of the TS's who were not up to her par, ratted on her and she got into a little trouble with the law.  Anyway, the t-girl described in this paragraph is an idealistic perfect t-girl in every measurable way. MOST t-girls lack her abilities and price.  This is why I have been seeing GG's lately.

Jamie, there is another variable, age.  Keeping in mind where the "chassis" of a t-girl came from, it brings back memories of when I was 20 to 22 years old.  I could have sex and cum 6 times in 6 hours and build up for the 7th in the seventh hour if need be.  Those were the days!!  I think the reason why guys might have a preferance for young t-girls who are in their 20's, is for the hypothesis that her cock might be more apt to "work".

Reviews on review boards are of utmost importance.  It saves a guy a ton of money and a lot of disapointing dates.  Reviews of t-girls are even more important than reviews of GG's, because as you say, a GG can just lay there.  more is expected of a TS escort.

Most TS escorts lie.  Same as a man will lie and say he is taller than he is, a TS escort will lie and say her cock is larger than it really is and that she is fully functional.  TS's say this because they know this is what men want to hear.

Personally, I would prefer to hook up with a passable CD who is skinny and pretty and has never touched hormones.  This CD is much more likely to be a satisfactory hook up for me than most Eros TS's who live 24/7 as a woman and take hormones.

Yes, the man who complained about t-girls not getting hard has a point.  He IS paying for service and expects to get what he is paying for.  That is why reviews are important, so a guy can seek a t-girl who can perform.

I have had opportunities for free hook ups.  I prefer to pass on them and see a girl I am paying for.  When I am paying, it is about ME.  When I am not paying, I have to be concerned with satisfying her desires too.  I prefer to pay so the focus of attention is making sure I get my rocks off.  If you happen to get your rocks off in the process of satisfying me, cool, but that is not my interest or objective.  JH

IMHO, mutual satisfaction should be the primary goal from both lovers involved. For me, there is nothing hotter than a guy thats completely into pleasing his provider. Find her start buttons and im sure she will deliver. A provider should not accept a date unless she is confident she can perform as well as have an understanding of the potential lovers expectation.

A hobbyist should be open to allow the chemistry and sexual desire, drive the session. Passion is a wonderful thing. Personally, I'm not interested in a gentleman that wants to lay there and "just get fucked." I am more interested in a gentleman that wants to make love. I want to be left on my bed, smiling from ear to ear. I know my lover will be walking out with the same feeling.

If a hobbyist insists on a "specific" desire, then in a classy, non-offensive way, this should be communicated to the potential provider.

Bottom line, not all providers can be everything to everyone. As a provider, know your best qualities and interests and during your screening process. As a potential lover/customer, go with your gut instincts and be certain that the girl you called will be fun.

OXOXO

- Jas

Realistically I agree with you, but you need to understand the rantee's viewpoint.  He's not paying you for your companionship.  He's not paying you for passion, he's paying you for the illusion of passion.  He's paying you for sex and if you cannot perform, he's not getting what he paid for and he's going to complain.  His expectations are not going to be realistic.  He's looking for a fantasy, not reality.  If he wanted reality he would get himself a girlfriend or stick with his pre-existing girlfriend and deal with all the drama and disappointment that comes along with that type of relationship.

You may feel that it is his job to turn you on, but he obviously feels that it is your job to be turned on.  He is correct in claiming you are on the job as he is paying you.  You are incorrect to assign something as his job as you are not paying him.

My feeling is that you should devise a better way to screen clients if this type of situation is unacceptable to you.  Another option is to just dismiss the rantee as a fool as that is what the fellow in this instance is. Unfortunately even fools feel fooled, so don't expect him to like it.   Your customer relations problem in this area are only compounded by the outlandish advertising claims many of your peers employ: lies about functionality, exaggerated penis measurements, lies about age, doctored pictures, etc.

Part of the enjoyment I get from an intimate encounter is active participation, and I am always open to advice or suggestions. I have never been disappointed when I have been able to bring a smile to my partners face. Sex is like a road trip.....getting there is half the fun.

There are 2 classes of 'TOP' providers who book several sessions daily. Those who can command a boner at will (these mental magicians have my deepest admiration) and those that utilize Viagra or other stimulants to raise the flag.

Both classes understand it is their "duty" to perform.

What you're talking about is "dating" and on that premise your are correct, but Hon...this ain't dating. It's BONER RENTAL.

In my case most of the times I don't get hard, and everytime someone calls me, I make it clear that I can't promise it, and I ask him if that's okay, so, most of the times my clients don't care, and of course there others who really want a functional ts, so, I wish good luck to them with an other girl, I'm always honest so I don't have any troubles because I believe in my beauty and in my amazing services.

So, everyone have a taste, there are clients who're looking just for bottom girls and they  come to me.

Ah the famous GG+S chimes in!  

Oh NO, I didn't mean to imply it was his "job" to turn me on, well yes, maybe I did.

It IS his job  - I mean I can supply the passion, but it still needs somethign in return, a connection.

Like I've noticed sometimes guys are really hard at the beginning of a date, then - especially if they are bottoming, they lose it and have trouble getting  it hard later withouth a LOT of work by both parties.  I attribute it to nervousness or not being   in a passionate relationship with the other party.

For example.  I can be with someone who for whatever reason the boytoy just doesn't work for - but 20 minutes after he leaves I can get rock hard with my lover.  So what's up with that?

Gosh, now I've confused myself.

Let's all just go have sex!

And PS - GG+S you missed chat tonight, this could have been a fun topic.

Giggle,
TS Jamie

That's funny CuddleM.  Can I use that in my advertising?  

I go with Laraah - I'm a girl, if I wanted to plow guys I'd have stayed in the Army...  giggle

So treat me like the very naughty girl I am, and I'll give you the passion of a lifetime!

Face down, ass up, you know that's how I like it!

Giggle,
TS Jamie

A hard cock on either a t-girl or the John can be a subjective thing many of times due to the human element of each person.  However, there ARE t-girls who are known for being tops. In Miami, FL is a TS by the name of Kate.  Every local John knows for sure if he wants to be topped by the best, see Kate.  Ten years ago Kate was the best top and today Kate is the best top.  Does not matter what the client looks like, Kate can and will top him.  This is her trade mark.  I do not know if she uses Viagra or some thing else, but if she sees 3 or 5 guys in a day, they will all be topped.

There is a skinny and cute little thing by the name of TS Misty. 5' 2" and all of 90 lbs.  She has a hard as a rock cut solid 8" + cock that on my date with her shot a cum load and got hard again and 15 minutes later shot another cum load.  I was on a half hour date with her and i was concerned for her shooting so many loads in such a short period of time.  She said, not a problem, I can shoot another one for you!!

Kate and Misty are NOT typical.  How they do what they do, I do not know.  With Misty, IMO, it is youth.  She's maybe 19 years old.  With Kate, it might be Viagra??

When I was in my late teens and early 20's, I too could get it up for any one and often.  Those were the days!!

Most guys who seek the TS fantasy, seek the whole package.  Meaning they desire a TS who is as pretty as a GG and has a rock hard cock too.  There are exceptions to every thing though.

The late Frank Zappa

I whipped off her bloomers'n stiffened my thumb
An' applied rotation on her sugar plum
I poked 'n stroked till my wrist got numb
An' you know I heard some Dinah-Moe Humm
She was buns-up kneelin'
I was wheelin' an dealin'
She surrender to the feelin'
An' she started in to squealin'

On readback I see where ya'll thought I meant top (as position)...... I actually meant the top or leading providers.

Yes.. JATG  you can use "Boner Rental"

I tried entering the chatroom one Wednesday evening.  It was chock full of people.  I think the topic of discussion when I entered was some playboy article about guys liking tits.

I saw you enter the room shortly after I.  I tried to give you a cyber hello, but I seem to have technical difficulties with the chat room.  I continually got booted out of it.  I don't know if the fact I run a Mac has anything to do with that.

I truly prefer the chat method of correspondence to that of message boards.  I don't have unmoderated posting privileges like I did under my old handle, "HOF".  Interactions in real time are much more gratifying, enlightening, and fun for me.

In Chicago my dear, we call that a "faceplant".

"My feeling is it's YOUR job to turn us on"

He is paying YOU for a service, PEROID!

Your getting paid already, that's enough of a return and is your compensation for the business transaction. Either you perform or you don't. The client has a duty to be clean with good hygiene and not treat the provider badly but he does not have to do anything for you. You are confusing being a provider with being in a relationship. They are two waaaaaaaay different things.

Yes, they pay for a great service and I always give it. But, it doesn't mean that I'm a robott, and if there not a chemistry with the client I don't do the appointment with him, because I enjoy it too, so, I have a lot of fun and I make money at the same time, this is my case, so  if a guy wants me to top him so badly, maybe I will not  be able to do it so he will not be in disapointment.

Like Laraah@ said, we have to be honest if we are functional or not, so then he will make a choice to see us, and everybody will be happy.

I always care that everybody be happy with me, and also Laraah@ said that not every customer wants to be topped.

power bottoms.....If you are lying there like a dead fish, what is the girl supposed to do for stimulation? Thank the prostitution gods for not sending this type of customer to me.

- Jas

well the only "dead fish" i ever want comes with a wedge of lemon and a sprig of dill...boner apetit...lol...DFK, Rachel

First, it is OUR job to turn you on? It is your job to provide the service advertised as we are paying you (we will not mention of course you paying me to have fun, lol). But I also agree that with Tgirls, the best sessions are if they are into the guy as you are correct in saying a GG can just lay there, moan, etc, whereas a Tgirl needs to be turned on to get things going. I have been lucky to have had great sessions with a lot of hot Tgirls and am amazed that people give the girls bad reviews on TER when I had the totally opposite experience. Although, I am not an old, fat, hairy bald guy either so maybe that helps. No matter how turned on Tgirls are though they often times have issues with functionality due to hormones, partaking of various external stimuli (i.e. partying), etc. and if they are advertising fully functional top and that is what a client specifically asks for they should be up front if they have had a long day and cannot perform up to the task as I can see how a guy into bottoming would have a terrible time and waste their money if they don't get what they want. Bottom line, be up front and honest before meeting so people's expectations are not left unfilled.  

Mi dos centavos

Giggle

I think that is the perfect way to handle it. Be up front in what you like to do and let people know what service you can provide and nobody goes away unhappy. I think a lot of the girls on eros, etc like to post as versatile, top, bottom etc. when in fact they can never get it up or top, but want to keep their options open to try to generate as much money as possible.  I think 85% of the girls on eros have 8" fully functional and I believe we all know that is not true. Be honest and upfront so the guys into bottoming can look for something else and have a good experience rather than be disappointed.

There's a real good reason why they are not honest.  The truth is a hook up killer!!!

Similar to a guy who's 5' 4" and partly balding seeking love and romance via personal ads.  He finds out pretty quickly that most women who are seeking a man for love and romance, are not seeking a 5' 4" balding man!!  So what must this man do?  He must conceal the facts about himself and hope a girl falls in love with his personality.

Similarly, a modern day t-girl escort knows she will lose 50% or more of her market potential if she tells the truth that she can't become fully erect and can't cum. (the fantasy is a chick with a dick.....  not a chick with a limp worm!!! )

A buddy was just on a date with a visiting TS.  He said she is a fox.  I looked at her ad and it say she is 8" and fully functional.  She goes on to say "most guys can't handle it all".  My friend tells me, she absolutely 100% could not even get semi-firm, never mind hard as a rock.  She would be incapable of topping, yet you can see what she writes in her ads.

IMO, if it were not for TER reviews and local review boards, these scams would happen a lot more.  The only real way for guys who see TS escorts to protect themselves is via sharing info on the good and hard ones and also sharing info on the TS's who can't get it up or cum.

Personally, I am back to seeing GG's untill reviews reveal that for sure a t-girl is capable of being hard as a rock for a looong time and cumming.

Ever notice when people make out, they close their eyes?  You ask "what is the girl supposed to do for stimulation?".  I say: if you are being paid 100, 200, 300 or what ever amount of $$$ for your time, close your eyes and make believe your penis is riding Brad Pitt, Tom Selek or who ever is the current hottest man alive.

Men for years have been fucking "road kill"  and still get it up and get his rocks off.  For the $$$ you are getting.... perform!

Locally, there are two hot babe GG escorts.  one is known for her Asian abilities (licking strange mens ass holes for half an hour)  The other is known for her passionate DFK (deep french kiss) abilities with every man she hooks up with.  I have been with both of these hot babes and i watch what they do.  They both close their eyes and go to another zone.  The DFK hot babe darts her tongue in your mouth like she's on a paid mission to Iraq, doing her duty.  The ass hole licking girl (who's in her young 30's and has an MBA degree in business and marketing) would rather lick strange mens hemerroids than work in the corporate world.

So when you have that 350 lb dead fish laying on your bed, close your eyes and make believe you are fucking Brad Pitt!!! ha ha ha  Pull you cock out and shoot that cum load all over Brad Pitt's face!!  No one ever said being an escort was gonna be like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman.

I totally agree with John Holmes.....as an escort you are being paid to provide a service, isnt?? or am i wrong??? so you have to do whatever it takes to make me happy.Chemestry is when i go out with a GF and dont have to pay her.....other than that the other is strictly business...i pay, you provide.

I have to agree with the premise that we hobbyists are paying for a service and therefore naturally we have expectations attached to the delivery of said service. Obviously sex is different than let's say a brake job; another service one routinely pays for with certain level of expectation attached. Sex, by its very nature, is subjective and therefore subject to a wide range of interpretation; whereas a brake job is pretty cut and dried, but both retain a key element for allegorical comparision: money is exchanged.

This exchange of money is a strong common denominator; it binds the two parties participating in the transaction with millennia of history behind it. Since the dawn of human history people have been exchanging one monetary symbol or another for services rendered and in each transaction the receiving party has expected "something" in return. This thread, IMHO, has been an attempt to define that "something" when it refers to a T-Girl provider's performance.

Admittedly, I too seek the perfect T-Girl. I my case physically she would be petite, posses a cute face, be slender, soft skinned, have beautiful feet, and a 6" medium sized cock. Mentally she would enjoy her craft and be open to passion during our time together. I have sought her and been disappointed until now.

There is one girl I hope so see her in the San Diego area sometime soon and her name is TS Azia. She's based in LA, but travels here on occasion. Each time she's been here the timing was off and we couldn't hook up. I hope to change my on her next visit. Hope springs eternal!

But back to money. It is the element that provokes all the discussion because nobody wants to lay down cold hard earned cash (especially in times of resession) for anything they feel is a rip-off. It's universal. It's undeniable. I understand the providers are selling their wares, but you can't have it both ways. Either your going to provide good service (i.e. GFE) or you're going to be trashed on the message boards. It's as simple as that.

If a provider expects the hobbyist to "get them off or get them up", shouldn't we the hobbyist expect a monetary return for "our services rendered"? Back to the brake job. If I do half the work and am expected to do half the work, why should I pay full price on the brake job?

Its the truth, like it or not. The provider is being paid to perform not to enjoy herself. The payment is the prize for the provider. Its just a business transaction, nothing more nothing less!

Well said!

Very well said!

If you don't believe me honey,  what can I do. I thought the same thing a long ago, but, now my business is better, and now I decided to don't have many clients every day, I don't want to sound arrogant, I just like to enjoy myself too, and when I said a chemestry I mean that when I talk to them on the phone if I don't feel comfortable I preffer to don't do the appointment because this is a risky business, and also like many girls do before to give them my address I give them the building on the front so I can see who comes, and if I see something wrong I decline it.

To all of you guys who think that I'm lying like a dead fish: I'm not a slave who has to provide just because someone pay me, NOT, if someone doen't treat me good, I just decline, I have to be safe, and also, if he ask me if I'm fully functional I have to be honest, don't you think?, so, many customers like bottom tgirls, also some don't care if I get hard or not, and there are others who want me to get hard so badly, and I tell them to don't come to me.

So, in conclusion, in the past they choose me and now I choose them, this is my case, I'm not desperate for money and I don't post my ad often just ones for 15 days every two months,I'm so sorry for you guys who think that we have to provide whatever you want, believe many of my clients are very happy with me and they come back for years and this is because I'm confident.

I love to be sweet, to take my time because I enjoy it too, I love to make love, to kiss all the body, to give a great bj, to rimmed, to be topeed and maybe to top them sometimes.

I wish all he best to you guys, and good luck in everything you do.

I'm russian/italian and I'm sorry for my broken english, I hope that you understand me.

Bye, bye.
Laritza.