Would you say that; what attracts you to a transgender woman is their genitalia? Or the person + beauty?  

This question would follow: would a post-op trans woman (at this point i myself consider them ggs) would cease to be as appealing to you sexually, than pre-op

Great Question, Yes after surgery I have no interest, I think girls like you are HOT and the difference is a blessing.

Here's my deal...I love women and I love cock. Transsexual women are like the Reese's peanut butter cup of sex. Two great tastes that taste great together! I think the cock is part of the person and part of the beauty. I've never been with a post op girl, but I do enjoy the sexy ladies so I'm sure I would enjoy sex with one. As appealing as a pre op? Well, I like the milk chocolate and the peanut butter... They're good separately, but GREAT together!

I am attracted by the whole package.  I once visited a post-op who did not advertise as such.  Was very disappointed at first when I realized her secret.  Still had a very good time, because of the looks and personality, and then the experience went through the roof as used a strap-on par excellence.

To me, post-op girls are the same as gg girls. I would absolutely find a post-op girl just as sexy. That said, I'd never pay to be with a post-op girl because I'd never pay to be with a gg girl. I like dicks and, specifically, I like girls with dicks. Most girls don't have them, though, which is why I'm willing to pay for the experience. I still enjoy watching pornos of kimber James and Danielle fox as much as ever, but I wouldn't pay to be with them anymore.

Being a post op is the most rewarding thing if we have gender disphoria.

I am totally aware that there are profitable market for pre op TS...and I am one of many girls who is taking the benefit of that and make money out of it.

However, at the end of their day is not the money that make us happy, though money helps to achieve happiness to a certain degree.

If we are passable and people see us already as woman, being a post op will be for sure very rewarding.
Just imagine those straight men who are eager to date and being intimate with us...ah... This thing alone makes me excited

However, if we are not passable and people know we are a TS, our life might be more difficult after being a post op.

So be pretty and passable first

Cheers,

Tia Phoenixx

Sasha, you know that I swing both ways. Obviously what initially attracts me to a TS lady is in part, critical part, genitalia. But another very important part is her perspective and personality. Having met you a few times, I value your beauty and your body but most of all your spirit. If you became post-op I would desire you just as much, because nothing surpasses the passion of holding you close and gazing into your eyes. Not to mention that I adore who you are as a person, to the extent that I can know the true you.

I also would be interested in dating some other post-ops because I suspect that they would have an invaluable perspective and insight into what turns on a man. And obviously they would have a strong commitment to femininity.

However, I have met some TS ladies in whom my interest was strictly carnal, and some of them I do not believe were engaged sufficiently during a date for me to want to see them post-op. Not implying that's their fault, they just had a colder business style.

Definitely, the outcomes for trans women who are conventionally pretty and "passable" are a lot different than those who are not.  

One of the big misconceptions I've encountered (from clients and civilians) is that different trans people experience different levels of gender dysphoria, and different levels of dysphoria regarding their genitals. (And for some, it's not a constant level -- it can be worse depending on the day and other factors.)

So there are women out there who feel really intense dysphoria about their penis, who want it gone gone gone and even seeing that part of their body triggers really strong negative emotion. So in those scenarios, having a lover (or client) who's specifically attracted to that feature of your body can be really problematic.

But there are other trans women out there who don't feel such intense genital dysphoria. My guess is that most of the successful trans providers fall into that category, or are at are least pretty good at compartmentalizing the dysphoria. And if you're not feeling that strong dysphoria, that you actually can enjoy the sex....well, that's what makes a lot of the guys seek out trans providers, right?

As a gg provider, I have seen an been friends with a CD and also a pre-op TS. I enjoy sex very much (with male, females & TS) ...thus why I got into the business.  I haven't been with a post-op but like to be and I think it would be very exciting to be with a lady ....both pre-op and then post-op.  
   
   Guess I will have to put that on my bucket list.

I hope that you aren't upset with me posting here. I realize that this thread was most likely directed to trans ladies & the men who enjoy them.  

Tia, you are quite a beauty & I wish you all the best with your SRS.

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Ur opinion is just as appreciated as anyone else's.  

I think that some of us keep our penises because that's sort of what makes us special. We don't really see the bigger picture. That while we get attention and we feel like we matter. We aren't really making ourselves happy. In the sense that, like Tia Phoenix says. The ultimate validation would be to have a Vagina and be, and feel whole.  

Idk. This subject is very profound, and i myself feel like I don't understand it well. As I sink in a deep depression. Trying to understand what's the next step for me. Trying to find my own peace of mind and happiness in this life. I thought I would share this question, and my feelings on the subject about this issue.

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All things considered. We have to weigh our options. Some of us aren't as passable. Some of us are. I guess going thru SRS can make our life easier or harder. We also need to consider if we would feel happier by having a vagina instead of a penis.  

It's a very important decision that no one should take lightly. I admire people that go thru it. I envy them because I know I want that too. I'm just too fatalistic. Thinking that my operation will be botched somehow lol.  

Unfortunately "being pretty and passable" is not an option for all. I mean we are all beautiful in a way. But let's face it. We aren't all passable. There's days where I feel that not all the make up in the world can make me look pretty. and there's days where I feel like the most beautiful person. I think we all go thru that.  Men or women.  

It's definitely a struggle. It's almost comical... "We have to fight for our gender". I wonder if fyodor Dostoevsky writes about this in any of his books. Or something related.

Pre-op, Pretty, and Passable are extremely important for me.

I must say that while the ability of a pre-op girl to have a passionate release is of particular enjoyment to me, I have had the opportunity to share physical intimacy with passable, attractive, sexy and lovely TS girls as well as a post op girl. In every instance the sharing of intimacy has been a spectacular experience.

First off,

Jessica is right with regards to the degree of gender dysphoria.  Every TS is different.
She is also right with regards to every successful TS provider is"okay" with the presence of her penis and not being repulse by it.

I never like my penis, but i have accepted it and even get pleasure and financial benefits out of it obviously.

Being a TS provider for more than 10 years, and i know I will lose the majority of my clients once i become a post op.
But as I already explained it before, at the end of the day, is not the money that makes us happy.

I am tired of men who like my penis....tired of being a sex object...tired of being a fantasy...

i just want to be a normal, happy, beautiful woman with a normal, straight boyfriend who appreciate my beauty and femininity and see me as a beautiful woman and live a normal life.  Full stop.

Though i understand and tolerate men who like pre op TS with a nice penis, but that is NOT the men I want for myself.  

My true-self is a woman.   A woman with a good looking vagina, not with a penis.  I am pretty simple and vanilla with regards to this.

 
Therefore, I am 100 per cent sure I will be much more happy by having a vagina.

I have done my 'homework' by working so hard for the past 10 years... evolving from a femboy to a beautiful woman that  I am now....among other things
Finally, I can say that i am physically...mentally...spiritually...and FINANCIALLY ready to step into a final step of my transition: to become a woman
The time has finally come.

I am excited!
Wish me luck,
Tia

Btw, thanks for the input Sasha and everybody and welcome on board Autumn Breeze!
I like to hear everybody's opinion...and this is my honest opinion.
I hope i dont offend anybody

cheers
Tia


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One of my ATF's is post-op. Super hot and has better oral technique and anal sex technique than almost all gg's. Plus she's a super cool individual.

Tia, good luck! I don't think anyone *should* be offended by what you've written! Your path is your own, and it's certainly a path that is shared by many, many trans people.

I think where trans folks and non-trans get into trouble is when they make assumptions that *everyone* feels dysphoria the same way, or that *everyone* wants bottom surgery.  

Physical, mental, spiritual, financial. I totally agree, those are all components of transition, and they each present their challenges. And bottom surgery is huge step for all of those. It's sad that the financial component hits trans providers so hard.

Thanks for your kind words Jess!

Btw, I am very happy to see some comments from guys who appreciate a post op TS provider.

I myself, have witnessed so many successful and popular post op providers, many in South East Asia and two in the States (who have more than 50 solid good reviews on TER).

Unfortunately very few of them telling the truth about their status.  

I will be different.  I will reveal the truth if they ask me so.

I am going to continue to work as a provider for at least 3 years from now, and I will prove it that being a post op provider is not less sexy than GG provider.

Neo vagina done by excellent surgeon (mine will be done by dr.Suporn on Feb.25 2016) will look and taste great.  
We can self lubricate ( if the surgeon keeps the cowper gland), expand the depth if we get sexually aroused and achieve orgasm too...just like GG!  
It is also known and proven by research that neo vagina is tighter.
the key is finding the best surgeon to do it for us.

Just like breast implants....some men may realize that they are implants...but heck they are so good looking and feeling so natural if they are done by great surgeon.
Same thing with neo vagina

This is 2016....time for post op to shine too

cheers

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Great question.  I've been with a provider before her surg and after.  Both were 10 experiences, the new vagina was unreal.  With that said, I had more fun before surg.

Do you use it literally, or do you mean it in a good way?

Srs is not for everyone, but my but for my friend it made her very happy which what I wish for everyone

Yes, I am still in the fetish stage where I am attracted to a woman with a penis.  However, I am still also attracted to gg with their vaginas.  So if a TS who I was seeing (hobby or otherwise) went for the surgery, I would still be attracted to her, and it would probably even be a turn-on to be her first experience on the "other side."  So in other words, I would be willing to date someone like Tia.  And Sasha, if you ever have the surgery, I will still be interested in meeting you.  It's YOU that like...not just your cute face.

We all have a desire to be known, loved and understood. We also have fear of what we do not understand. If we forget about what  others think as well as fight our desire to pigeon hole people in a group we will all be better off. many of the TS women I have met are women to their core. My fascination with their penis is a who different discussion. Remember we know who we are, what ever banner you fly it is fine with me. Be kind, be respectful and do no harm!

Regardless of what's between their legs. What makes a loveable person comes from within and is not attached to the genitals.  

I had an opportunity years ago to visit with a post-op trans woman. It wasn't planned, she had advertised in the GG section, but it was a pleasant surprise. She knew that I'd noticed her origins but since it didn't matter to me it never came up in conversation. I had come to meet a classy woman and she was her. The session was very nice, I approached her as I would any female lover and she approached me as a man. I'll always treasure that encounter. It should be noted though that as good as surgeons are a MM vagina is very different from a God made vagina. I might some day visit with another post-op trans woman intentionally but when I am looking for a GG experience I want a set of GG parts.

I would not be disappointed if I set up another date and found out she was a post-op trans woman. When I set up a date with a pre-op trans woman I am looking for a unique experience that only she can provide. While my attraction to women who have penises may be a fetish the woman who I am meeting is not a fetish. A person is never a fetish. The fetish is in my own mind.

The post so far have been very enlightening. I think one of the issues is that we think about gender in dualistic terms: man (penis)/woman (vagina). But I think this is a mistake. Sex and gender exist on spectrums. While I certainly can acknowledge an attractive man, I'm not interested in men sexually. This would be cis men or trans-men. But I am interested in women. Some women have vaginas and some have penises. The genitalia doesn't make a woman, but I fully understand why some women want to have SRS and why others wouldn't want to have surgery. If she identifies as a woman then I consider her a woman. Attraction, though, will exist on a case by case basis.

In other news, I travel two times in the past 6 month and one of those times has to be when Sasha was in Chicago. So bummed.

Think of it this way;  The beautiful movie star "Honey Love" who was one of the highest in demand "Special" ladies!  But the other year, when she decided to have the re-assignment surgery, she went from the being at the top of the best, of the most wanted movie stars, to the bottom.  But the problem wasn't because she wasn't beautiful any more, because she sure is beautiful yet.  She just gave up a part of her, that set her apart from the others.  

It was just the decision to have that one little surgery, that caused her to go from the top, the most wanted of the ladies, to the bottom of the list.  That instead of the movie producer looking for her, that she ended up on the short end in more ways than 1.  I hope she's not in the poor house.  Her example should be a warning to other "Special" ladies.

First of all, posting 'pre and post op question which one do you prefer' to a group of men who love pre-op TS for most part, is like, asking a bunch of gay men whether or not they like men or women.  Of course, these gay men will say they prefer men, and few says they like female too ( bisexual).

It seems the whole men love men, though in real life, only max. 10 per cent of men who are gay.  So you are definitely the minority my friend.  Nothing wrong with that btw.

Post op TS is already very similar to GG physically.  After they do the surgery, they are not popular in this kind of board any longer.

But in real life, do you think they are really vanished and becoming unpopular....

On the contrary,
If they are beautiful, passable and sexy, they might be too busy even to read this thread.

Bottom line is, the girl might not longer be attractive FOR YOU, but fortunately she will be VERY ATTRACTVE and APPEALING for the majority of men (who most probably never and dont have any interest in joining this discussion board).

I have received LOTS of emails from straight guys who cant wait to fuck me after the SRS.
Seriously

cheers
Tia Phoenixx