I was checking out the London/uk Trannys on Eros and noticed a lot of TV escorts. I was wondering why there is so many tv escorts in the UK compared to the US. Anyone have any thoughts as to why?

they try harder, there is no problem with whether or not they are functional, and boobs are over-rated anyway...

there is so much more then why a TS is a TS besides just having boobs,c'mon. There is no comparison of a TS VS A TV.

This discussion is as old as the hobby...  What is a TS and what is a TV and what is the difference?

The line is blurry.  At what point does a TV become a TS?  If they get boob implants?  At what point is a TV simply a gay boy in drag?  What about TV's and gay guys who get implants specifically so they can advertise and take advantage of the earning potential of TS's?  (I know several "girls" who are this way.)  It's different for each person, and people's self perceptions can change over time.

The difference commonly accepted is a TS is someone who needs/wants to be a girl, physically and takes steps to change it.  This means you trade a penis for a vagina and boobs, or at least boobs and hormones.  This means you live as a woman in a binary gender world.

A TV on the other hand is a genetic male dressing up in womens clothing for erotic sexual fetish purposes.

And more often now we are finding acceptance as a thrid gender and TS/TV's are not transitioning fully.  That further affects the gender norms.

There are a lot of TV's who advertise in the US as TS because of the perception that a TV is a gay boy not a girl (which makes a guy dating her gay as opposed to a straight guy who's GF has a dick).  In Europe I think the separations are more readily accepted and TV's don't have the negative connotation often given here.

I sort of boil it down like this: "If you are a gentleman looking for an escort to be your "top" and shoot great gobs of ooze for you from a hot hard huge throbbing mantoy, then you need a TV (or a gay guy).  But if you want a soft sweet (feminine or masculine) GIRL who happens to have a cock, then you hire a TS."

And if you want to play with a sweet naughty t-girl who loves to pamper men and can also be your sexy Mistress, then you hire me!  

Giggle,
TS Jamie  

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haha i totally agree with you ! I know alot of gay boys on eros who call themselves TS but really are only TV's...they advertise as TS so the client thinks they are TS until they show up & realize that this person is nothing more then a man with a wig on. And sorry to say i think more clients prefer a soft,feminine,passable TS Girl.

most TV providers (they are being upfront with telling the customer that they don't have boobs, probably do not live 24/7 as women, and may not have their own hair) could be categorized as TG, Transgender.  This means that they have the feeling that they are girls, may want to live as a girl, are more comfortable presenting as girls.  I've heard it said that the difference between a CD and a TS is..... about three years!

I don't get nearly as much attitude from TV providers, and never have a problem with the operation of the equipment.  I interact a lot with the whole spectrum, and do know the differences..  I also know that a TS is serious, to the point of having surgery, taking hormones, living fulltime (well, some don't) and that the level of expenses is high.  I also know that a lot of the TV's (or TG's) would like to reach that next level, but haven't the funds yet to do so.  I love all.... so, now that I'm on Estrogen, can I be classified a TS?

no need to do that. I am saying what i hear from clients,that they thought the person was a TS until they opened the door & were totally dissapointed. Yes there are mazny clients that like TV's but i am just saying what i hear all the time.

In a perfect world we wouldn't catagorize people in order to process data.  The transgender world complicates things by blending the accepted lines of gender and sexuality.

In my writings I attempt to shed light on a confusing situation so others can better understand.  I wasn't expressing any personal animosity or derrision toward TV's.  I try to accept each person as they are and not make judgement of their gender or sexuality, as I dislike being judged myself.

The exception is when someone is specifically using my/our gender (transsexual) to defraud others through false perceptions and lack of service.  It continues the negative feelings toward my gender and profession and I will speak to the subject when necessary.

TV providers who advertise and represent their services and provide what they offer are just fine in my book and I know several I'm happy to refer my friends to.

Like Melissa said, it's the ones who post stolen photos of gg girls on CL, assure guys they are TS, etc, show up for a date with 5 o'clock shadow and a bad wig and take a gents money and run.  Then I have issues.  I don't think anybody likes a TS rob either so I think I have plenty of company on this issue.

And yes TM, you are right in that often people who are publically identified as transvestite often go on to effect full transition. But their actual diagnoisis would be that of transsexual, not transvestite, even though they may switch back and forth between gender roles.  And regardless of the label uninformed people may give someone.

Conversly, it doesn't matter if someone looks like a linebacker in drag, if they identify as a female they are transsexual, hormones or not.  And if they don't they are TV, and there are some very sexy TV's.

These aren't "Jamie's" definitions, these are the paraphrased clincal diagnosis from the DSM IV.

I hope this helps someone understand better.

Hugs,
TS Jamie

I do agree with you about fraud... but the definitions are not quite right... TS means "transsexual", which means a movement from one sex to another, it's not just an attitude change.  It requires something to have changed... could be hormones (usually is) implants, facial reconstruction, etc.  More than anything, it represents a commitment to the change.  I can't tomorrow wake up and declare myself (accurately) a TS, even though I am taking estrogen.  I can claim to be TG... transgendered, whereby my self-concept is of a woman, regardless of how I present myself 24/7.  A TV, transvestite, derives sexual pleasure from wearing the clothes of the opposite sex (gender), a CD (crossdresser) enjoys dresing in the clothing of the opposite sex without the requisite sexual thrill associated with the clothes themselves.  The problem (aside from fraud, misadvertising or stealing others' pics) is that EROS only has two categories... TV and TS, and there is sometimes a fineline between the two, and those who do advertise as TV probably are not technically a TV.  Regardless, it depends on the provider regarding the experience.  I've never been with you, nor with Ms. Melissa (and never will at $350!), but I have been with probably 50 providers at least.  Maybe 10 were worth the compensation... and those are the ones I will see in the future.  One of the very best experiences I have had was with Chloe, a San Francisco TV, who is definitely not a bearded guy in a dress (and I resent that implication of what a TV is)... I don't know for sure, but Ms. Chloe might just do a change in the future, but my guess is that she (he) has a good job in his guy personna, he (she) enjoys the encounters with the clients, and likes sex and adventure.  Bless you all, but that TV was more feminine than 95% of the "TS" providers I have seen.

OK - definitions one more time... and links to sources.

This conversation is exactly why there is so much controversy about who is or who is not a TS/TV or did we really land on the moon... And what does it matter?  You are who you are and if it makes you happy do it!

I see from TM's comments there is still confusion  - so here are excerpts directly from Wikipedia. If anyone wants to read the whole dissertation please follow the links below.

Also TrannyMae - pleeeze - I do NOT charge $350/hr - maybe Melissa does and I should - but my solo rates start at only $160/hr and Jessica and I double from only $260.

We are probably the most affordable and best referenced professional TS providers you will  find.  Though to be honest Jessica is so sick of the BS, cheapskates, being treated like shit, and dangers to our health and liberty that she wants to quit.  Thanks guys...

OK - here it is once and for all...  

-- "Transsexualism is a complex condition that is defined differently by different people. Some of these terms are controversial, not only to society at large, but even among the transsexual community."

Amen sisters...  

-- "Transsexualism is often included within the broader term transgender, which is generally considered an umbrella term for people who do not conform to typical accepted gender roles."

-- "Regardless of definition, transsexualism should not be confused with cross dressing or with the behaviour of drag queens which can be described as transgender but not transsexual. Also, transvestic fetishism (TV) usually has little, if anything, to do with transsexualism."

-- "As a general rule, transsexual people tend to dress and behave in a manner consistent with the gender they identify with, crossdressers tend to dress in a manner consistent with stereotypical ideals of the opposite gender as opposed to the real-life behavior of that gender, and "drag queens" tend to dress and behave in a flamboyant manner which parodies the opposite gender."

-- "Some people automatically connect cross-dressing to transgender identity or sexual fetishist and homosexual behaviour, but the term cross-dressing itself does not imply any motives. The term cross-dresser should therefore be used with care to avoid causing misunderstanding or offence."

--"Transgendered people who are undergoing or have undergone gender reassignment therapy are usually not regarded as cross-dressing."

--"A transvestic fetishist is a person (typically a heterosexual male) who cross-dresses as part of a sexual fetish.  For example, the Male would wear skirts or lingerie. (See also forced feminization)"

--"Transvestic fetishism are also often used to describe any sexual behaviour or arousal that is in any way connected to clothes of the other gender."

--"Not every sexual behaviour where clothes of the other gender are involved are transvestic fetishism, they are also often used in sexual roleplay without being a fetish."

--"Also, many transgendered people cross-dress before coming out in sexual contexts to relieve their cross-gender feelings. This behavior is not considered transvestic fetishism, as it is not cross-dressing for sexual pleasure, rather it is simply their self-gender expression."

--"Others may choose to take a mixed approach, adopting some feminine traits and some masculine traits in their appearance. For instance, a man might wear both a dress and a beard. This is sometimes known as genderfuck."

--"A small number of people with transvestic fetishism, as the years pass, want to dress and live permanently as women, and desire surgical or hormonal sex reassignment. In such cases the diagnosis should be changed to transsexualism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexual
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossdressing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvestic_fetishism

I rest my case.

Love and Giggles,
TS Jamie

And for those who want to see the cuttest little TV  in the world go to this link - if he's not a reason to "turn gay" I don't know what is...  giggle  

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=18584&start=0

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