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More curiousity... Pre- vs. Post-Opregular_smile
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First of all thanks a bunch for your helpful responses to my other question about women and couples. I have such a meeting on my "I must experience this before I die, and preferably loooong before I die" list :D

I was contemplating the Pre- vs. Post-Op thing when one of the posts- I think it linked to a review, somewhere or another- mentioned a TS who scheduled a date w/ a new client and then upon meeting brought up that she was post-op. I know the meanings of these terms, but it got me to wondering how that all works. The majority of TS providers are pre-op. The gal's "appendage," if you will, seems to be a central marketing approach and is often boasted of in terms of length, width, functionality, and of course its beautiful-ness... I know it is difficult to generalize about any group of people or identity, and do not wish do that.. However I would be interested in learning how others feel about it personally or insights you have gained from others. Are the majority of TS living in the U.S. (or the world) at any given time pre- or post-? What is common outside of the hobbying world? The wording ("pre" and "post") is phrased as though it were assumed that one would naturally follow the other. However, I wonder if the providers who are pre-op have chosen not to have the surgery for whatever personal reasons, or if it is solely for the business side of things, or if it is a temporary or transitory phase. I understand that it (it being the penis) is most definitely pleasurable, but at the same time it does not necessarily mesh with what society today tends to define as "womanhood." Obviously self-identification is more important than the labels someone else affixes to you, but do you find that it is a part of your sexual identity or that it is a hindrance to it?

And furthermore, if a TS who had previously been, well, penised, decided to undergo the surgery. Would she then start advertising herself as simply a female escort, or is there some sort of market or advertising for post-op TS, or is it for pre-op only? And finally, if a TS woman has a vagina  reconstructed, can she orgasm and feel sensation as she did previously?

Sorry for all these random questions- I just get to pondering things sometimes and then there's no stoppin' me ;)

XoXo,
M

Yes I agree, everyone who wants should experience the joys of a girl, a boy, both together AND a "BoyGirl!" And I'd love to help!  (giggle)

As for the pre/post op question.  There are very few post op TS's who work in the biz.  Some work and advertise as female, others as TS, some as both. It really all depends on the person, maybe the area.

But you are correct in that most men who are interested in TS's are looking at TS because they are NOT gay.  The idea of playing with a man's cock doesn't do anything for them. But the eroticism of a girl with a dick is exciting and sensual.  

A post-op girl advertising as a TS and then baiting and switching upon meeting might be asking for problems.  It's kind of the reverse of a guy finding an unexpected package under the skirt.  With the exception that pre-ops who don't disclose run a risk of getting killed by a homophobe.

What I've observed (and this is by no means an absolute) is most TS's after SRS if they were in the biz before, leave after surgery and most tend to live "stealth," meaning they blend into society as women and only their doctor knows for sure.

And yes Marea, post-op TS's are generally orgasmic.  Depending upon the doctor and proceedure the techniques now allow for self lubricating vaginas, etc.  I've little doubt that within not to many years we will see the ability to either transplant or artificially create a uterus and for a TS to give birth via artificial insemination.

This is explored in much greater detail on other sites - TSroadmap.com - Wikipedia - do a search for "transsexualism."  But the very short version is...

TS's in sex work from what I've seen generally approach their penis differently from those NOT in sex work.  For many (but by no means all) non sex workers, the goal of transition is surgery.

TS sex workers tend to be "non-op."  Even those who desire surgery often delay it to avoid cutting off the income stream.

There is also the old discussion of separation of gender and sex identity.  The mental need / desire to look, live and function as a woman is different from the sexual desire of the person.  It gets more comfusing with a TS because if a male to femal TS is "gay"  does that mean she is a lesbian  if she likes "other" girls, or straight?  Or does it mean she is straight because she likes men, even though someone else might say she's "gay" because both parties have a cock.

My partner and I (who identify as bi-lesbians) have two TS friends who are a couple.  The "girl" is a MtoF TS - the "guy" is an FtoM.  So what are they?  The guy is bald with a beer belly and a vagina.  The girl is cute as a button.  If you didn't know the roles were reversed - you wouldn't know, except the guy is much shorter than his partner.

This is why there is so much confusion fear and hatred around and against the trans community.  People are having to reevaluate what they previously took for granted.  Humanity is saddled with beliefs and preconceptions dating from before the dark ages.

Acceptance of trans people is still a new and evolving social experiment.  It was only 30 years ago that SRS surgery really began to be a viable option for TS's.  And really only in the past 5-10 years have the techniques evolved to a point where truly acceptable results are the norm.

It was only 8 years ago the first "Trans-Unity" confrence was held in LA and this year was only the 2nd TS Leadership Conference, held at USC.  (Which I am proud to have attended and spoken at briefly as a sex worker.)

So truly, contemporary transsexuals and those who love and support us - we are all at the forefront of not only a new sexual revolution in a new century, but we are also the leading edge of the evolution of humankind.

But throught it all - the whole point of living is  enjoying your life - so if it's more enjoyable to be or date a transsexual - then why the hell not indulge yourself?

Remember this is all supposed to be FUN!  So let's hook up!

Giggle,
TS Jamie

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TS Tempted1287 reads

I just love a woman with insatiable curiosity (now you’ve got me checking flight schedules to Madison???).  I think Jaime’s got you covered for now (hmmm, wishful thinking Freudian slip? …maybe I should reword that).  Additionally to an earlier question – be sure to check out Jamie's website for info/advice to couples.  Also just in case you haven’t seen them I’ve got some links to additional reference materials below.  

Jamie’s Wikipedia links are in this post - you might want to follow the Virginia Prince reference mentioned in the Wikipedia articles, Virginia's story is most fascinating:

Welcome Aboard! - Posted by TS Tempted, 11/30/2006
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=20790&boardID=19&page=

At the risk of straying even further from your original pre/post-op topic the following post has some of my observations of the differences in the GG vs. TS communities which I thought you might find interesting (my apologies - its right in the middle of a thread that is a long diatribe on my part re: TS and TER).

TS Hobbyist/Provider Behaviors - Posted by TS Tempted, 1/11/2007
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=21448&boardID=19&page=

I also see that you’ve put a lot of thought into your website, very well done (and very nice photos too)!  I know you’ve done a lot of posting in the other TER forums but thanks for joining the discussion here as a participant in our little part of the web.

Take care,

TS Tempted


P.S.  Inquiring minds may wish to know:

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