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TS Curious 2084 reads
posted

Kind of an essay question though :)

Do most of you see gg's as well?  Or are most of the guys here interested in TS/TG exclusively?

Do you find you get turned down for gg appointments due to your TS reviews/interest, or is the stigma primarily from insecure guys?

Honest curiosity here, please feel free to elaborate.  I have dipped my toe into the TS experience (not literally, LOL),and had some great experience and some awful.  I find that while I dearly love gg's, I occasionally quite enjoy  both the companionship and the physical experience of a beautiful TS lady.  There still remains, however, that final step of going "public", hence the alias...

-- Modified on 12/23/2007 11:18:44 AM

td-21409 reads

Not to start a war by any means.

But let me ask. In order for your question to get posted here, you had to come to this section of TER. Why? What drew you here? What made you click on this section? Curiousity? If so, what were you curious about?

You refer to a stigma? True is that maybe, why is there a TS/TV stigma but a Dom offering SOS service is considered an excepted fetish. In the end what is the actual difference?

You dipped your toe? Hummm? I met a Movies Star once myself but I would not refer to myself as someone that is now familiar with a hollywood life style.

As I said in a previous post. It is my opinion that the labels are just that. LABELS. After all it is just people. You either agree or do not. If you do not then just agree to disagree and move on.

Finally, Your comment about going public? I am sorry? I do not know anyone (know matter what there personal opinion) that goes out publicly and tells everyone about themselves seeing or even being involved with escorts. Either STRAIGHT - BI - GG- TS- TV etc. etc.

That usually has everything to do with Legal ramifications.





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This is an Alias1157 reads

Going "public" means letting it be known INSIDE TER that you see both GGs and TGs.  That can set you up for turndowns by some GG providers, for non-invitations to Meet & Greets, and for ostracism in chat rooms.

The definition of someone who sees TGs is this: someone who sees TGs. All other labels are meaningless, as evidenced by the numerous and far-reaching discussions on this board over the years.

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td-21268 reads

Odd,

My experience is that the so called normal Escorts have the fantasy of a trio with a guy a TS and themselves.

I have never found myself being questioned, turned down or even ignored do to a so called TS post or review.

I guess we all have different experiences and ideas.

Still, fun is fun. What more can you say on that.

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TS Curious1300 reads

I am here because, as I stated, I find that on occasion I very much enjoy the companionship of a TS lady.  It is not something I have done many times or often, and I certainly make no pretense of being familiar with the "lifestyle".

My comment about going public (and stigma) referred to my use of an alias in this room, and the intended purpose of my post was _partially_ to inquire if anyone who didn't hide their TER identity here had reason to regret not having done so.

If I have unintentionally offended anyone I freely offer my apologies.

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td-21295 reads

No offense what so ever.

I would just assume that your reasons for your interests would be similar to everyone elses.

As far as lifestyle? What life style?

I do not understand nor do I get the supposed Life Style question. Not just here but anywhere?

When did living and going thru life as we see fit become a LIFE STYLE. I mean it is a choice. But? Oh well.

As far as an alias. If you look at every discussion board on TER I think you will find that most Hobbiest's if not all use a screen name that is not there real Name. So, I do not think that it is so unusual or odd to this board.

There is Wives, Husbands, Family, or the fear of LE or just getting recognized and having to explain.

I don't know. No easy answer when it comes to human nature. I figure if you meet someone and you have fun and enjoy life and I do not get hurt. What business is it of mine.

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TS Curious1150 reads

I'm not exploring my interest here.  I am very comfortable with my interest in both gg and ts.  Others experience is what I was after, though of course, any discussion is welcome.

When I spoke of "lifestyle" I was quoting YOU. Damn, communication is hard, LOL.

"You dipped your toe? Hummm? I met a Movies Star once myself but I would not refer to myself as someone that is now familiar with a hollywood life style."

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cuddlemeister1067 reads

Don't be intimidated by an overzealous response. No harm was meant. You ask ligit questions and the answer will vary from person to person. "Lifestyle' is indeed a choice and YES electing to date transgenders does put you in a lifestyle, whether it is covert and partime or upfront and open, but this is simply symatics and not important.

Do what works for you and noone else. I personally have been "out of the closet" dating Transgendered women for over 30 years and yes I also date GG. If a GG has an issue with my "lifestyle" we part company. No harm-No foul.

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td-21085 reads

My apologies if you feel I was overzealous. It was not meant to be.

I just think that when we start classifying people by choice or as you say "lifestyle" you start a ball rolling that can't be stopped.

It is funny, if I choose to see a TS once (as it were) I choose a whole new lifestyle. So, is there a dress code for me now?

I do not wish to come off as a smart A-S, but when did it become incorrect to say I saw a person and we had a good time.

Is that such a difficult concept for people to accept.

Why do we constantly classify people.

I choose to eat at McDonalds everynow and then - Is that a LIFESTYLE?

Last time I checked, by choosing and making choices, the only thing that that does is put me in the human race.





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td-21276 reads

LOL

TS Curious -

My Bad.

I was referencing your original comment about the TS/TG Experience. You made it a point to seperate the TS/TG from GG.

I just assumed you put the providers in a Different Category. Your quote

"Do you find you get turned down for gg appointments due to your TS reviews/interest, or is the stigma primarily from insecure guys?"

refers to GG and TS as totally different things.

Seems to me that your statement refers to GG providers that have the stigma. Or is it just that they have the fear that a man may have seen a so called TS/TG provider and afterwards may post a better review for the TS/TG provider then for her?

And you are very correct. This form of communication is very difficult. It is very easy to take someything te wrong way.

However, I do appreciate your responses. Like I said on a different post, I like this board just for this fact. We are voicing opinions and no one is taking anything personal. If this would of been on the General Board we would of been at each others throats by now.

But as far as interest. Like I have said before. To each there own.


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td-2916 reads

OK,

Why are we not hearing from the providers?

There input would be interesting.

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TSMissJasmine1123 reads

It humors me to see how so many men are so worried about what "Genetic female whores" think about their sexuality. Swingers, gg's BDSMers all seem to hate transgendered in public yet, we are frequently seem by them. Republicans frequently vote TG's out of any type of federal protection or funding yet, 40% of my clients are republicans. Why? It's okay to hate us in public yet, they all come out of their proverbial closets to spend time with us (in secrecy of course). It is one thing to be in the closet about your sexuality...I doubt very many of you are going home and telling the parents what you are doing behind closed doors in your bedroom. Im sure they really dont care who you are doing it with.

Transgender females are the new black. you can sit back in your closets and admire us from afar and dicreetly until we become an accepted gender or, you can be progressive and say fuck what everybody else thinks. In any case...We dont want your parents to know we have cock anymore than you do. Food for thought.

In the meantime...I like the confident type thats comfortable with their sexuality and desires for experimentation. Guys worried about what a gg whore thinks, need not contact me

-- Modified on 12/23/2007 10:05:12 PM

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td-22174 reads

Jasmine just say whats on your mind.

LOL LOL

I really could not agree more. My only problem is that (at least with me) I have not had any GG, Escorts, Ladies or whatever the proper term is at this point, have any problem with who I have or have not seen. It has actually been just the opposite. I have been told by 2 that they always wanted to try a visit themselves.

I guess I should ask that certain reviews of mine be hid just in case I run into ........ Oh to hell with it.

So who is up for having some fun? And I mean UP in the most Sexxxxxyyyy way I can.

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TS Tempted946 reads

It is two-headed and I get to call it....

[scroll down for final comment]























TAILS!!!



BTW by my count this is the 2,000th message this quarter!!!

-- Modified on 12/23/2007 10:16:13 PM

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TSMissJasmine1049 reads

I win either way!!!!!!!!

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TS Tempted1151 reads

;)

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td-2894 reads

Nope, If I were In that situation I think I would win.

For some reason I can not think of one reason why you having my tail would not put me on the gol medal stand.

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ssteveowens1085 reads

the reason why gg girls have a problem with guys who see tgirls is they belive(be it true or not) that you are doing things that are a high risk for getting std's i know that is is calling the kettle black but it is the truth! gg girls freak out if they find out you are sucking some ts providers cock, and if you are doing it bare back they dont want to risk it, it is a very prejudice reaction since a lot of gg girls give uncovered oral themselfs!! i guess there is a double standard.

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Nikki_Greedy1248 reads

hear-hear----
Oh how this rings true..

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TS Tempted1080 reads

My guess is it’s not the BBBJ issue at all unless they are CBJ only.  My first guess would be  they perceive seeing TS as ‘gay’ combined with the fact that the incidence of HIV is significantly higher in the male homosexual community.  No doubt about it, after IDU, anal penetrative sex is THE high risk behavior.  

They may also presume a higher degree of promiscuity and self destructive behavior – just a few of the usual gay biases – which might make them less trustworthy of the safe sex practices of the potential client.  You do have to trust your partner not to lose their cover because it’s kinda difficult to see/feel what is going on back there – we’ve had several alerts to that effect for a number of TS providers but undoubtedly providers worry about their clients as well.  Perhaps there is also a perception that condoms break more frequently during greek adding to the overall risk to a client who also sees TS.

I would be very curious to know the correlation between GG’s where greek is never on the menu and this rather unenlightened attitude towards TS.  If a provider were willing to offer greek on the menu I would think that they would have come to terms with the safety issue and would be more likely to be tolerant of someone seeing TS as well.  I wonder if that is why many of our TS providers are ‘top only’ with clients – who knows what they may prefer in their own relationships?  

Having said all this is does seem to be fairly common among GG providers that they are very interested in being with a TS in a three-way themselves.  I’ve heard about that particular interest more than can even I keep count.  It would seem a little hypocritical if they then discriminated against clients who also saw TS, but then again this is a strange and wonderful hobby.

;)


TS Tempted

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Nikki_Greedy1276 reads

I have been pondering something related to this issue, GG/TS reviews and those who MAY take issue to 'crossover' clientèle...
This is not about message board aliases...

I think a two nickname system would be appropriate..
It works like this..
A VIP member can associate a second nickname to their account that could be used for posting reviews.. This would allow persons who see different flavors to post reviews under either one of those two nicknames.. This way a person could have their cake without the worry of the icing running off..

If I had a site like this that is what I would do..
It would not be a real hard add either..

Addendum regarding Swingers groups from above..
Out of all the groups I am around here in Atlanta, the swinging crowd is the most accepting.. At least toward me, I know of at least two other post ops in the swing scene here..
Also one of our swing/fetish/BDSM clubs is VERY TS friendly as some 'Staff' are TS.. They also have a whole TS section for all the level of fun you wish to explore.. Matter of fact they have just about any flavor of fun you dare might get into..
They have regular monthly parties with providers there who are there for fun and relaxation, provides for a great meet&greet atmosphere without the 'bar scene'..    
"Don't be narrow"...

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td-21017 reads

That is a good idea I guess.

But why would I post a review about you differently then someone else.

I would not be embarrased to see you. I figure if someone else can't deal with it then thats there problem.

I understand your point though.

I just think it is sad that people are just this ignorant.

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Nikki_Greedy1104 reads

I am sure if you look hard enough you will find there is more prejudice provider/clientèle toward other things other than just the TS community..

I have seen ISO post for 'this only', 'that only' etc etc..
I have also heard some very ugly remarks from visitors toward different groups/races/classes of providers.. SO it all runs pretty deep..

Such a system would allow persons to have two persona, mild/wild..

It is not really about reviewing differently, it is about allowing a hobbyist to explore his/her interest without feeling they are 'outing' their own inter-desires...
Make sense??

I do wish more men had your attitude... You guys are the bomb...

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td-21142 reads

I know what you mean. I guess it is just human nature. We all have are likes and dislikes. That is what makes us different.

But if I do not like or care for something I   think it is ignorant to attack or belittle someone else if they like it.

I just do not get that. It is SAD.

I also get your point about not outing (as you put it) I guess I am lucky enough or maybe just dumb enough to not care. Do not get me wrong I love to have friends and I do care what people think. I just do not care what an idiot thinks.

As far as us BOMBS !!!!!!!!!!!!! Flattery will get me driving SOUTH. :-)

Have a Great Holiday.

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swingplus1063 reads

Re, swingers groups, this is very nice news to hear.  In Chicago the swing community remains basically closed to TS play.  TS's are totally identified with gay/bi male play and pretty much any hint of interest is enough to make a couple pariahs in our local scene.  So...lets hear it for Atlanta!  And the next time we are in that area I will write you for more information on these Atlanta clubs.

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