There's the "are you still in [insert city you left weeks ago]" Even though your ad specifies travel dates. The best way to avoid all that is by adding roadblocks that make people stop and think as well as weed out the time wasters and idiots out there. The quickest way to do that is book by email only. Time wasters don't want their big head getting in the way of their small one, so they just don't bother.
For example:
My ad says in Dupont Circle and you get some idi*ts that say: Are you in Tyson's Corner ?
Ad says: in Dupont Circle and you get some idi*ts say: How far is Dupont Circle to Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport ?....... Are you freaking kidding me ? Use a maps app or something.
Ad says: Don't talk about sex or donation and you get some idi*ts that say: How much do you charge ? Are you a Top or a Bottom ? Most t-girls have reviews by now so do your freaking research and get a freaking clue. I'm not planning to go to jail.
Most Johns now a days are becoming more dumber that don't even read and go automatically to your phone number!
I don't know what's going on with you guys but is Trump's presidency making you most Johns more stup*d by the day ?
Or do you guys just want to listen to her voice and waste her time when you have no intend to seeing her ?
This not happening to most of first timers that contact me but regular hobbyist.
Or I'm I missing something and I'm just having a hard time understanding something ?
Sorry for the rant but I just needed to vent it out! Now, I'm not ranting to all hobbyist but to those that just ask really lame questions when all info is laid out there for them, all they have to do is research and look!!! Have a nice night!
-- Modified on 7/13/2017 6:27:19 PM
A Dupont Circle has no corners, Tyson's or otherwise. Maybe post your number as an algebraic equation to keep the knuckle-draggers away.
LOL... I might have giggled at this...
There's the "are you still in [insert city you left weeks ago]" Even though your ad specifies travel dates. The best way to avoid all that is by adding roadblocks that make people stop and think as well as weed out the time wasters and idiots out there. The quickest way to do that is book by email only. Time wasters don't want their big head getting in the way of their small one, so they just don't bother.
so if the ad has little to no info and the expectation is no questions over the phone - here's how it could go from the client's POV...
Client asks no questions and hopes the answers to his questions will be favorable. He then invests several hours into rearranging his work schedule, formulating his white lie(s) for plausible deniability, he then cleans himself, grooms himself, and finally drives across the big city in crosstown traffic to perhaps an unfamiliar and less than pristine neighborhood.
Client arrives and is greeted by a less polished more "warts and all" version of the girl in the pics (extra pounds, no make-up, a little facial hair or leg stubble, etc.) - STRIKE 1
Client settles in and says I have $200 (the going rate for an hour full service in the market). The girl says no problem but just so you know $200 is my 1/2 hour rate. - STRIKE 2
Client then asks about the girl's versatility (hoping she will bottom), and she says I'm a top only but for 30 minutes nobody is penetrating no one - this will be a BJ/HJ only session. - STRIKE 3
Appointment proceeds, client leaves unhappy and feeling as though he wasted significant time and money. Client writes negative review. Other prospective clients who do read reviews then decide not to see girl.
All of this could be avoided if the girl gave accurate info upfront.
Haha. I love how you twisted this to victimized the perverted hobbyist like you !
Like I said, most providers have reviews so get a freaking clue, look at them and get a clue on the girls versatility and hygiene. Stop deflecting with "hygiene crap" because this could of been prevented if you did your research. Don't be a stubborn mor*n wishing on the girl's versatility or services which you might never hear it from her mouth upfront. Get smart please And stop acting like a catty woman.
How sad and shame you imbec*le for demanding info upfront so that the girl is set up and ready to go jail, yet you have no idea or experienced such degrading thing. Shame on you!!!!
My bet is that you're one of the ones I described, that's why you're deflecting this to victimized yourself because you're an idi*t and a time water!
On the "half hour rate" note you posted, you gotta be that naive to expect a lot for so little money even my regulars know this and understand this perfectly. That's just not how the US works buddy, go to another country for have it cheap. On another note, sometimes girls don't like to bottom easily with ugly guys and/or she feels she'd not worth 200 for full services. Her rules, her room, her services otherwise don't see her or call her.
You're strikes are pure excuses of greed, ignorance and self deflection! More like poor excuses than strikes!
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Um, wow. QYB's points are valid, not sure why the claws came out. In my area, which is more densely packed with trans ladies than most, I would be surprised if even a third of the girls who regularly advertise have any reviews. Maybe not even a quarter. I'm not talking about the obvious fakes and TGTBT. I see these ladies pop up pretty consistently every day for a year or more and I'm sure they're legit, yet no reviews or maybe one from a few years ago that you can't count on to still be relevant. Most of the girls on BP now don't list rates and just copy the same verbiage into all their ads across other sites, so there is no way that I know of to find out what to expect. If you try to ask ahead of time, you risk getting shut out and blocked from any future encounters. Just happened to me this weekend and it was a girl I was hoping could work out to be an ATF. I'm personally just not comfortable showing up with a wad of bills ready to haggle and I can't relax with so much left to chance. Same thing on versatility, etc. You just walk in blindly or decide not to chance it with so much uncertainty. I'm sure this doesn't apply to your particular situation TSTS because you're getting some real dips contacting you, but QYB's points just illustrate more broadly that there's a lot of work and risk on this side of the fence as well. In his unsolicited defense, as well, he is one who does a lot of research, TOFTT and reviewing, so I don't think he's nearly the "imbec*le" you paint him to be.
So every example/strike that I described has happened to me, albeit not all at once -
Example 1, there were no reviews. I wrote the first one for the provider. She now is up to ten reviews- all positive. Pics were super glam airbrushed fantasy. What I experienced -the leg stubble, the facial stubble, the body odor - was reality. I had an awesome time, but this difference between the how she presented herself in her ads and the what I saw did affect how she was rated. This is the principle of misrepresentation. If you booked a hotel online purely based on the photos as there were no reviews, then you show up and it doesn't look as nice - would you be disappointed?
Example 2, I did my research and used the price TER showed. That's the price the first guy who reviewed paid. I factored in inflation since a few years had past, plus I considered what others have charged me and were currently advertising. I did my homework. Any client who has been in the game for awhile across different markets can tell you that price paid varies and the service received for said price varies. I have been with many porn star girls and have paid anywhere from $100/hour to $400/hour. In any business other than this one, prices are published so customers don't get cheated. If you went to a fancy restaurant, not knowing how much it would cost you - asked the patron who was leaving as you entered - what did you order, how much did you pay? - then you ordered same and were asked to pay double what you expected to pay - would you be upset?
Example 3, on the phone - I told the girl that I was looking to top, and asked her if she would bottom. To navigate around the possibility that I was LE, she answers "I'm open minded". I say great, we make an appointment. I show up with $400, only to find out she is not a bottom. She knew exactly what I wanted and took my money knowing that she wouldn't provide the service to me. If you rented a motor boat for the day, drove over to marina, only to be told the engine isn't operable and are handed a paddle and told no refunds - would you feel cheated?
These experiences have forced me to ask questions up front. If I can't get answer, and there are no reviews, I move on.
reinterate what you want when you show up, maintain eye contact and watch very carefully for the reaction --- body language, facial expression, tone of voice --- before money changes hands.
....
Had that happen to me once, and never forgot its importance:
On phone:
Me: "I like doing X"
Her: "Yes that's fine"
Me: "What can I bring that makes you happy?"
Her: "$Y"
Me: "OK I'm on my way."
In person:
Me: "You look gorgeous."
Her: "Oh, thank you."
Me: "And I like doing X."
Her: "Oh, I don't do that."
Me: "You said you did on the phone. If you told me you didn't we wouldn't have wasted each other's time."
Her: "OK, I can do that."
Me: "Gave her $Y"
Her: "Did X"
Oh, and if the ad says no questions beforehand, ask anyway. If she hangs up or gets defensive, move on.
Wow, so you're going to ask despite of her recent trend reviews and despite of ad telling you if you ask your call will be dropped ?
... only intended to say that a provider with no reviews, who expects me to show up without knowing generally whether she and I have the same interests and how much to money she wants is unreasonable. But if I have a strong interest in her and the rest of the ad sounds good, I'll make an exception, and call and ask. There may be a slight chance she'll tell me without taking offense. And if she gets angry and/or hangs up, as is most likely ... so what. I wasn't about to go anywhere without knowing that anyway.
On phone:
Me: "I like doing X"
Her: "Yes that's fine"
Me: "What can I bring that makes you happy?"
Her: "$Y"
Me: "OK I'm on my way."
In person:
Me: "You look gorgeous."
Her: "Oh, thank you."
Me: "And I like doing X."
Her: "Oh, I don't do that."
Me: "You said you did on the phone. If you told me you didn't we wouldn't have wasted each other's time."
Her: "OK, I can do that."
Me: "Gave her $Y"
Her: "Did X"
^^^ This is how you get arrested... DO NOT DO THIS! This is prostitution. Read the girls reviews, if she has performed in the past good chance she will perform with you.
My only issue is topping... I need material to work with, If a guy is 400lbs and has cleaned his booty, theres not much I can do... Im not a robot, the guys here sometimes expect miracles and they give us homeless hygiene to work with... Thats why it says in my ad to shower and be clean. And it says my price, because Im not going to go give you a price over the phone or agree to a sex act. thats prostitution.
Thanks for the warning, but I have this dialogue only if I am reasonably sure she's not L.E.
i think this was a great thread (or at least, has now become one).... : )
Ladies and Gents both - food for thought for ALL....
On TSTS’ side, there are times i have posted a few harsh rants over the years, but it's not hard to offend people & even lose social points here by simply being honest in so doing... I am a *very* kind woman, and not given much to rudeness or harshness to anyone as a general rule. Even the rudest inquirers I’ve had to screen out over time, i treat with at least kindness, respect, even humor (or "humoring" long enough to politely excuse myself off the call or text , but *never* meanness...
So - YES! People NEED to spend more than 5 seconds, and actually READ a well written ad or posting (if that's what it actually is), BEFORE picking up the phone, text, or keyboard...
WHY? Because the best companions write good, solid, lucid ads & postings, and often are trying to tell you things about ourselves that have a direct bearing on the kinds of people we may also wish to connect with, or maybe the specific audience we are trying to appeal to, or the types of people we might work the very best with, for real mutual satisfaction and proper value for time, and vice versa.
So here are some of my own cases in point: ALL of my ads say "PLEASE NO TEXT DATES" or "NO TEXT ONLY DATES" - WHY?
Taking into account that i wish to appeal to a mature audience, which would normally be 45 to 65, educated, professional, corporate, military, couples, and most often requiring a very high level of discretionary need.
The problem i have with text dates (as example cited) is: *YOU* could be ANYONE... Law Enforcement, Stalker, hater, male ripoff, scammer, harasser , etc., with a phone or keyboard, AND at that moment, YOU have most of the advantage because YOU can see me, but *I* cannot see you, or research YOU, prior to that moment.
These are NOT light issues either, given that there is still a great deal of unpleasant and hateful views of TS women out there, and frankly, a lot of odd or potentially harmful stuff still DOES, and WILL, come out of the woodwork towards women like ourselves, whether you believe that, or not.
So what's the 1st thing some do, without reading my ad, or maybe think that's just a bluff, or think they can be "the exception to the rule", or maybe even that because i won’t accept text dates, then i am just another one of the many fakes or ripoffs? …and then Texts me anyway. Not only that, but texts at 3am of "where are you?" Can I come see you right now? Can you come see me right now? (and I could be 20 to 50 miles away, and they give nothing – no location, no information...just an unknown Texter to me, and wants to know where i am right now, (all of my ads also give specific areas - DC, MD suburbs, Northern VA, etc.)....and also expects me to give all service details right then and there. NO! Or texts me X-rated/cock photos and expects (i suppose) me to drool all over it and immediately respond in kind? NO!
Not only that but every ad i have published for years ALSO SAYS: "NO X-RATED PHOTOS WILL BE ACCEPTED AND WILL BE POLITELY SCREENED OUT" - and as well, "No X-Rated photos will be provided by me.... but what do they ask for? Exactly what i wrote i will NOT do.
In my case, the WHY, is simple. I am a mature, eloquent woman, and a 3rd generation DC/Maryland Native, AND a 100% mainstream corporate society girl.
I have legit, corporate business interests here. Maybe some Family. Friends. A TOTALLY STRAIGHT, hetero, married, GG and corporate social crowd that is NOT party to my life as an escort and companion, AND a reputation of keeping it clean.
I care about my future, & i am not a 20-something girl that cares less what they send to anyone without thought of future consequences. As a result of keeping my standards for years, NO ONE will EVER be able to say "she published pornography", in case it ever comes to that.
Every Pic i've ever published is the exact same thing you’ll find in any good lingerie catalog. The rest gets saved for *In-Person*, and *NOT* because i have anything to hide, or am ashamed of my figure, or afraid to show myself. That does NOT mean i am just another ripoff, or one of the many using faked, totally airbrushed, or stolen photos. GET THAT.
Go thru my normal, intelligent, proper, safe & sane screening process, send me a proper email, text me to ask if i am available to talk, or maybe take the risk to see if i'll respond, but be prepared for me to ask simply "would you be so kind as to call or email me, Love?"
I DO understand most gentlemen have to be EXTREMELY discreet, and there are a few occasions over the years that intelligent, mature, sincerely seeking, and because of business or politics and family HAVE to use text as a first line of communications, and have been allowed to continue with me, but ALL provided enough real honest info about themselves (plus it helps to be able to do a phone search on services like Spokeo) to be allowed to pass my first line of screening and get to me.
The other thing about text is: The most mature and established companions usually have a life in the rest of the world too... Text is one of the single rudest forms of communication that has ever evolved, because it allows for NO consideration by the texter, that maybe, just maybe, the textee may SIMPLY just not be able to respond at that moment. In my case, i drive a LOT. *NO TEXT* while driving.
Yes, i know there is speech to text, but again, you could be *anyone*, and i may not be able to give you my proper attention at that moment, and that is what i would prefer as a truly polite woman that actually cares about her arts, and the impressions i make with all that inquire of me.
i could be doing a zillion different things in any given moment,,, OTHER THAN just waiting by the phone in sexy lingerie for your text, which requires i stop everything i'm doing and use both hands to respond to you right then and there, and if i don't, even if I CAN’T? - god help me for being so "rude".
You would be amazed at how harsh some men will be, for nothing more than a delay in response, or a polite question asking “if you can please call or email me?”. Or even worse, "are you available" .....and i respond literally within 1 to 5 minutes with... "hello there : )", "yes, can you ring or email me, love?", and then i get - "i cant, i'm with family", or, "i can't, i'm in a meeting" or, "i cant, i'm on the phone"....etc. , etc. then... "can you come over right now?" ....That’s just plain sketchy, inconsiderate, or fishing, or worse.... oh, and... At BOTH the top, AND the bottom, of EVERY ad i publish, it says in BIG BOLD LETTERS - "NO TEXT DATES" ***AND*** "Advance Dates required or preferred"....
Because i am not the revolving door kind of woman, nor is there *ever* someone else waiting in the hallway to come in, just as soon as one special friend has left, and i don't like, or make rush dates, especially not with someone new to me, and this is clearly borne out, not only the VERY CLEAR language i use in all of my ads, as well as my reviews.
So.... in full agreement with TSTS about.... PLEASE - Please - it's a really good idea to take that extra moment to simply READ some, or part, or even most desireable - ALL of any girl's ad. It could also save YOU time and trouble as well.
Respectfully, always,
TheAngelaGirl
-- Modified on 7/24/2017 10:26:21 PM
I do disagree with you in some points and some even in the slightest but I agree with you mostly overall. Thank you for giving a well thought-out views from both sides of the scale. Unfortunately, I have very low empathy for hobbyist. I may have my personal reasons as to why, from my experiences and from the way I feel to know true on how their views on us are. Bless your heart having such tolerance, empathy, positivity but above all a good personality despite of all the dirt/mud we may get on the road of our life's/escort life. Have a nice day!
For the Gentleman's defense:
As was said - this is often a moment to moment thing for many fellows. Last minute. Or when you managed to get that half hour or hour free from work or family or..... etc... and that leaves little time to sometimes sort thru a huge mass of ads (especially when your other head is doing at least part of the thinking at that moment : )
Also.... in many years and many friends i have made.... i would say at least *8 out of 10*, without exception, have,,, prior to finding me or any other legit companion that really gives her all into what she does, has run across EVERY kind of fake, flake, sketch, ripoff, bait and switch, fake photos, or maybe looked like that 10 years ago, or VIP service ripoff, or some yelling girl that doesn't even remotely match what they saw in an ad, pursuing you down the hotel hallway, or trying to create some rude and damaging indiscretion in your life, just because of rude spitefulness, and/or much much worse... a gorilla in a wig plus a friend standing behind the door, and even worse than that....
There's clearly REAL risk here, and in many cases, just as much for the gentlemen, as there is for us.
Keeping that in mind, give them the benefit of the doubt on some of these things. I would also chalk up some of it to lack of experience, sometimes combined with obviously being overwhelmed with the heat of the thought in the moment of finding a special girl to quickly spend some time with.
Many first timers, or few-timers (including many few-timers that i have known) have had very limited experience, and OFTEN, most of that limited experience has been either very bad, or rushed, or very coldly transactional and their fantasy expectations have never been met,...
....or not even remotely met, or maybe partially met, and so they continue looking, but because no one in their very straight and very discreet world ever told them HOW to do proper research, or what proper standards are, or how to properly go about respecting or arranging with a good girl - and they still don't know, and that can also be what seems to be sketchy, and sometimes, really, just because they are caught between a crushing vice of a combination of extreme desire and fear and nervousness.
I cannot even begin to tell you all how many gentleman i have see that dont even know what the TER is, much less know that there EVEN ARE review sites for companions and escorts... and i will say this.
***DON'T!*** treat them rudely, or treat them like shit, or be snotty and mean, just because they are inexperienced or actually don't really honestly know the ropes. All it takes is one truly nice girl, or even a halfway decent girl, to take that extra *5* minutes out of your life, or practice, to help the less experienced ones understand better - how to make good choices, how to do a little research, and what represents better etiquette, and then?
Then, maybe you have maybe made a friend and possibly even a repeat client life, or for many more times of mutual satisfaction and the fair exchange of gifts. That works well for me and has for years.
I personally and very deeply understand that many of us are trying to survive, even right on the line of barest survival, (and i DO know what that means, having been a half a day away from the streets without family or a job or anything else at one time, in my own life after i transitioned), and that is simply NO EXCUSE to treat men badly, or not care enough either them (who are paying our bills) about your own self to take that little bit of extra care and time, that just might make a REALLY BIG difference in another person's life, and make them WANT to come back and see you MORE THAN JUST ONCE.
The men that seek the company of special women like us, are a GIFT to me in this life. They absolutely adore us if given the chance. They will respect us if given the proper guidance and respect to do so. They fantasize about us all the time. They make our survival and our transitions possible in many cases, just on the basis of their desire to find us, and their willingness to reward us, if we meet even the most basic of their expectations.
They change their lives to open up exploring themselves with women like us, and more often than not, they are taking just as many risks in their own perspective to do so.... they rearrange travel plans and change their schedules to come see us. They escape time from family and home, and bosses, and their own offices and meetings, and drive long distances, sometimes even get in accidents, all JUST to find a SINGLE good, legit, TS companion that might just make their fantasies come true, or at very least, AT LEAST just treat them like a person for an hour, make some of their desires a reality, and treat them like a real human being, that is ALSO looking for some form of self-fulfillment.
Just hopefully some good, solid, easily digestible, Food for thought.
Love and Respectfulness Forever,
Namaste'
TheAngelaGirl
If I could put a big bright beacon light on your posts here, I would. Thanks so much for opining. Good stuff. Unfortunately, your way of thinking and understanding is not shared by many providers. Clients who have been in the game for awhile know that you are the exception to the rule. They know that many providers see clients as mobile ATM machines that show up at their door. A provider needs only to press a couple buttons and the cash spits out.
It's really too bad that some clients aren't given a chance because of the lack of understanding as to what drives certain behaviors. For example, many providers would be offended by a client who attempts to plan a date more than an hour into the future. As soon as I know I have a playtime window (sans commitments) opening up - lets say a week from now - I'm thinking about how I can plan a date in that window now. The last thing I want to do is attempt to make plans an hour before that window begins. Been there, done that, usually turns out poorly.
I hope the OP reads your posts and absorbs. She has posted before about her loathing of reviews and the clients that write those reviews.
-- Modified on 7/25/2017 4:09:48 PM
Perhaps you should absorb what it was said also and get a freaking clue mor*n.
-- Modified on 7/25/2017 7:40:21 PM
J'ai l'indice. Ne pas nourrir le troll.
I'm sorry but the only person that has trolled my thread and me is you. If it weren't for your posts I probably wouldn't even reply back to this thread.
I noticed earlier that you had posted a reply (can't find it now) and it was very kind, and i just wished to tell you that meant something. Just thank you, and hope that anything i may have shared helps anyone out there to look at things in a different light, or that it may make even the smallest difference to someones search, or to another girls' practices.
All i would hope for is a wish to contribute something positive that may make a difference to anyone out there, on either side of the equation.
Most kindly, always,
TheAngelaGirl
no trolling intended on my part, but I can see why you might think that. After all - you started the thread. The thread was clearly about your experiences and customers. Since I'm not your customer, you certainly should ask the question why I felt the need to weigh in and respond. My answer to that question is - this is a Discussion Board. It says so right at the top of this website. People exchange ideas and information in a Discussion Board. If your intention was to lob out a rant against the primary users of this website (the customers), wanting only to receive responses that validated your bent - then perhaps a Discussion Board is problematic, because you will receive challenges and alternative view points. As far as I can tell, I haven't made excuses for any of the idiocy and harassment you deal with from clients. If someone isn't reading an ad carefully and respecting the providers' wishes - that is worthy of discontent and shaming. However, I did offer how certain information upfront is helpful to clients and why clients might be asking the questions they ask. While there are components of this sort of business transaction that set up conflict, I do think both parties mostly want the same things. Both parties want their time and energy to be spent with value. Neither party wants their time wasted. Both parties want to avoid misunderstanding and miscommunication which could lead to a negative outcome. If a review will be written, both parties want a positive review to be written. And, most importantly, both parties want to stay out of jail. thanks again for the discussion. I think valuable perspectives were shared here by all, and I'm thankful for what I have learned.
My rant was to those lurkers and time-wasters that frequent this website not to those primary users of this website. Again your post are nothing but trolling or you and I are clearly polar opposite minds thinking from a very different angle at every turn. Maybe you should stop posting on this thread!
Thank You so much for your post. It was wonderful and very well written. If both sides would read your post it would definitely help. I also try to schedule as soon as I know I have some time, sometimes a week or more ahead. Most ads say "call only when ready". The last lady I tried to see had that in her ad. Her ad was up all week prior to my visit, but the day I arrived, it was not up. She was not available which is completely understandable, but had I known ahead of time, I would have researched another lady. I ended up not being able to see anyone which really sucks, because I do adore ladies like yourself.
I think that openness, CLARITY of both language and intention, a little more depth of consideration, a few seconds or minutes of patience, and a little more acceptance and understanding on both sides - is a powerfully important and effective means of finding, and GETTING what we are all looking for.... fulfillment in many ways that support the path of our lives and desires...
...just... a little extra effort on both sides, a little extra research, a few extra moments to really *Read* between the lines, or a few extra moments to actually be warm and polite to a new inquirer, and honest communication whenever possible, can *Really* make the difference between a fake, a flake, a ripoff, a sincere gentleman, a lasting client, or a new "special friend".... : )
Wishing you best and very best of luck, always,
Safe travels : )
Hugz!
AngelaGirl