Seems many S.B.S" on S.A. refer to guys who pay under 300 p4p "splenda daddys" I dunno guys, but, I think if I've gotta pay more then 200 ppm .might just as well see a pro..
The ones saying anyone under 300 is a splenda daddy is a salty bitch, to use another seasoning reference. Read through the forum for half an hour and you'll see pretty much everyone on here pays 300 or less per meetup.
Missed opportunity. I've got a hot blonde. A real 10 + but, even her I'm having a hard time in my limbic brain justifing paying 300.. even though she's HOT. She contacts me like every 3rd day asking to come plug her. And when I say I'm busy, she gets mad, and, says you're just cheap or broke..I just want to go off the handle and say listen hoe! You've got severe competition. I've got 4 more just like you at 150 p.p.m.
If she's pushing you that hard, she's a pro.
If she's really that hot, then fuck her brains out for the 300 and assess after if you ever want to drive that road again.
You ought to tell her to take a hike or words to that effect. Manipulating you to go see her? That is a person I would not want to be around, let alone pay to be around.
Missed opportunity. I've got a hot blonde. A real 10 + but, even her I'm having a hard time in my limbic brain justifing paying 300.. even though she's HOT. She contacts me like every 3rd day asking to come plug her. And when I say I'm busy, she gets mad, and, says you're just cheap or broke..I just want to go off the handle and say listen hoe! You've got severe competition. I've got 4 more just like you at 150 p.p.m.
I'm in Manhattan and that would be a miracle on the order of loaves and fishes around here...
I would expect a hot SB under 300 too if I live in Milwaukee. In NYC or LA, I would think 500 is average. In DC, 300-400.
My last 3 price quotes in D.C. were $700, $1,000, and $1,000+. Of course, I declined. The one asking $700 asked me what my budget was, and I replied $350. That was a no-go.
I have a pretty, sexy Latina in a city I visit who will see me for 20 hours overnight for $200. She spoils me. But I still think $300-$500 is appropriate in D.C.
and the consensus really boils down to your market and your personal budget. For me, I always shoot for $200 p4p and will occasionally go to $250. But I haven't paid as much as $300 in a while and I seem to do just fine and enjoy the company of many very fine young women. But you have to be willing to contact many to find the few gems. Just this morning I exchanged messages with a 37yo SB from out of town who was visiting my area. She contacted me first, saying she'd like to meet. When I offered her my usual $200 she got seriously bent out of shape saying that's disgusting and only a prostitute would do that and I know what I'm worth and I'd never date for less than $500, yada yada. Serious Golden Pussy Syndrome. But then I had lunch with a lovely 25yo college baby I've been messaging with. We had chemistry and she was totally fine with a $200 gift per visit and we're going to have that all important 2nd date BCD very soon. And tomorrow I have a date with a 20yo I've been dating for over a year and she always provides excellent entertainment for $200! Now to be honest, I have let the little head do the thinking from time to time and paid more. But my point is you should find out what's normal in your area and don't exceed that p4p amount unless there are seriously mitigating circumstances. We all owe it to our fellow SDs to keep their expectation$$ in check!
I'm in the bowl because where I live we don't have major league pros. It's more like single A level pros. That being said we have a major university here and the girls from this bowl want 3 to 4 Bens. Now that's usually a couple hours but I've had some want 5$ p4p. It's not cheap here. I'd love to have a 200 deal.
how long of a bedroom session are we talking, and is it one pop or MSOG?
Do SB/SD session every go overnight, and if so, how does that affect the going rates? I would presume an overnight would have at least an AM wake up call, wouldn't it?
I try to subtly and tactfully ascertain the answers to those questions before agreeing to proceed--after having some mediocre dates from not knowing. I've had SBs claim that 45 minutes was sufficient and others stick around for 3-5 hours. Some are open to 3-4 rounds.
Based on input from friends and price quotes I didn't follow up on, overnight can cost the same or 20-70% more than a regular date. Some SBs will not charge extra. One of my favorites--in another country--asked for $200 for an evening. I agreed. She wanted to stay overnight for the next date. I agreed. I gave her an extra $50 in her local currency. She stayed for about 21 hours. I came 2x and almost 3x in the evening and 2x in the morning. It was probably my best date in this realm. She wants to see me again for overnight. I'm tempted to fly her to my place.
but yes, "dates" can be anywhere from less than an hour to an entire weekend, it all depends.
As for flying her in, I have to confess I've had a few girls I really thought about flying back to the states for a visit, unfortunately though in most of the countries I visit, it's tough for the girls to get travel visas to the US>
Mexico
In most of Mexico $200 US for "TLN" is more like hooker prices than SB prices.
but as long as you were happy, who cares about a couple of hundred bucks I suppose.
I got price quotes from 5 SBs. They were surprisingly high: $200, $300, $450 with a 2-hour limit, $800, and $1,200 for all afternoon.
Those kind of prices are high, even in the US. In virtually all of Mexico you can get TLN for what you are being quoted for "short visits" and I am talking hooker prices, not SB prices. For $1,200 I would expect "Toda la semana" not "toda la tarde"
I would suggest you get five more quotes, and five more after that if need be until you find some putas with sense
Some looked very hot. I suspect that they were looking for high-end tourists. I think at least 2 of them were not native Mexicans.
There were 2 or 3 others who might have been moderately priced, but we agreed that there was too much of a language barrier to proceed. My Spanish is poor, and their English was worse.
The one I found was young, cute, sweet, and willing. Right now, $300 isn't working very well in D.C., so $200 for essentially unlimited time was well worth it.
The price varies per location and per girl. So certain areas are more expensive just like housing. And then the hotter girls will demand more, and they will also ask more if they are communicating with too many guys at a time. I had a girl who started with 400 p4p but later was willing to see me twice a week for 500. So initially they do want more cause some guys just do one session with one girl and move on. I am guilty of doing one session with some girls too cause sometimes chemistry is not there.
Yeah, I go back and forth between telling them that I believe in starting lower and working up (over time, trust, proven affinity) toward the number they want, or starting higher to bag them (the more beautiful ones, for sure) and then negotiating lower.
I am not so experienced negotiating, and I need to learn how to talk about dropping the ppm number.
All you gotta do is be nice to them, once you see them a couple of times and treat them with respect which is mostly uncommon based on what girls tell me, most guys treat them like trash. And then just don't see them making an excuse like you are low on funds, and just don't respond to texts too often. And when you sound some desperation then tell them that you can offer only this new lower number.
I can't think of any reason of paying them higher later once you have bagged them for a decent p4p number. If you really like to pamper them then buy a fragrance or a gift card to get extra attention.
I've been on 2 dates with her. Both BCD ok, but, she always in the 2 sessions likes to remind me that it's not just about the help I'm giving her, but, the chemistry between us. .MY ASS..she then says, we'll I can go to chicago anytime and get 600 ppm, and jim you remember that..lol. also tells me about her long time SD that would give her 4k a month and how her gf who's a 10 in the face dept. But, a 3 in the body gets 5k a month..you know what I told her to her pretty face?? Because he's a fucktard. A moron, iam not.. hmmm. Wonder why after I said that, she keeps blowing up my phone? Why doesn't she go to chicago fellas??
Needs to get updated about the SB's in *your* stable that are cuter, more reliable, and who are always grateful and never complain about money....Hmmmm.....
with both them and you! I have no delusions that I am a true "Sugar Daddy"....I do not have an unlimited budget and I could squeeze out a grand a month most months. To me that's pretty much a "Splenda Daddy". But, like you, I feel that if I had to "pay", not counting expenses more than $200 I might as well seek out a pro. My last SB experience was very very happy the $200 I gave her.
You are NOT! A splenda daddy at popping a G-ball a month on a babe..from what I gather, a splenda daddy is a kidd or guy who works at subway. And, lives in there parents basement, and eats twinkles with his feet kicked up trying to get as much attention on SA as possible w/out risking as much as 100 ppm. Then when he's found out by his pot SB. He crawls back under the rock he came out from..these are also known as "salt daddys" lol.
Minimum wage at Mickey Dee's or equivalent job = take home $250.- ish per week (40 hours worked) vs. put your legs in the air and curl your toes for an evening = $200.-
Hmmmm.....
Plan on the slightly discomfiting fact that you are sharing her with at least a couple other guys, and she's keeping a lot more $$$ from 3 evenings a week than from her 'job'....
Let's do the math backwards: 3 bcd sessions a week at $200.- x 4.3 = $2600.- per month, > 31k per year takehome, equals ~ 50k gross paying job before withholdings and taxes....
They have nothing to complain about, and every day of the week free for self-amusement and cuteness maintenance.
Well, for me, a Sugar Daddy is one that can afford to drop whatever it takes whenever it suits him to have some young nubile nymph at his beck and call. Someone like Heff with the Girls Next Door, or maybe our own GaGambler. I was using the splenda daddy definition from the SA website:
Splenda Daddy:
"Try as he might, a Splenda Daddy is a man who strives to be a SD, but just doesn’t have the funds to pull it off. He may be sweet and charming and the perfect gentleman, however, his finances, his professional life and his personal life are in disarray. He simply does not meet the requirements of a Sugar Daddy."
Now, my personal life is not in disarray, just my freaking work schedule. I don't have a traditional 9-5 job. I work 12 hour days AND commute an hour each way on top of that, so on the days I work I am totally unavailable and the day prior to work I need to have an early evening to get up early. So many of my "dates" have to be afternoon ones. I just keep boxing myself in so tight I have very few options.
Salt Daddy:
The complete opposite of a Sugar Daddy, a Salt Daddy is one who tries to impersonate, but is broke and has no intention of picking up the bill, ever. He can neither afford, nor offer a Sugar Baby any beneficiary means. A Salt Daddy aims to deceive unsuspecting SBs and typically tries to rush the intimacy aspect of a relationship (i.e. asking for nude photos upfront). Red Flag.
And there are so many shades in between those 2 options.