I seem to be a magnet for these women.. they don't want any money and it's not really clear what kind of relationship they want. I'm currently in conversation with 2 different ones who are both out of the country (one was here for a while) but plan a return soon. I've had video calls with them so they are real. And seem to be well-heeled (!)
They seem to want to text every day and want to know all about me, see pictures of my bicycle...and seem to believe the texting is a basis for something.  
While I haven't made any commitments to either and have not been distracted from other pursuits (not counting any chickens) .. was just wondering if any of you have had similar experiences and how they might have panned out.

...I've noticed a regular small stream of women whose profiles pop up on my local search.  They claim to be here or in a nearby city.  But they are very clearly Chinese or other Asian enthnicity, their English is weird and strange, and when asked outright they admit to being in Hong Kong or Shanghai or some such place.  I'm not interested in anything long distance so I've never continued a conversation long enough to find out if they are well heeled as you think.

Unless they are from Japan, S Korea, or Taiwan, which are visa wavier countries, they aren't coming to visit, let alone get permanent resident status here except if you marry them -- and the paperwork for that takes a year or so.

I've had the same experience several times.  I'll get viewed, favorited or messaged by a 30-ish Asian woman. In her pics she is always well dressed, usually conservatively, in new fashion outfits, she's eating at upscale restaurants, or sitting in what looks like a chartered jet, or just looking like a magazine ad for women's luxury products.  

Locations are always "Los Angeles" and profile text is generic - lacking any specific references to the LA area. They are always eager to move to WhatsApp and send several clothed pics without being asked.  Like you describe, they want to message often with "how is your day" or "have you been taking care of yourself" questions. When pressed about their location (i.e.: I specifically ask them if they are close to my area) they typically admit they are in (Hong Kong, London, etc.) but plan on moving to or visiting LA Soon.  

 
That is when I tell them to contact me again when they book their travel arrangements.  So far, no one has followed up.  

 
To put this into context, IME there are precious few "local" Asians on the site. Even in locations like San Francisco or Seattle,  the percentage of Asians compared to the SA population is low - perhaps 5% or less. And those who are local and active tend to be expecting 1.5 to 3 times the prevailing allowance.  

 
So the Asians you are describing and that I have mentioned above do not fit the typical profile for local POT SB's.  I'd like to hear from anyone here who has converted one of these POT's to a M&G and then BCD.  

 
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Scaramouche -- I have followed two of these Asian-seeming scammers down to the point at which their scam is all but undeniable. Many details match the ones you and others have posted in this thread.

 
The final point of clarity came when each of them offered to send me a link to a "demonstration account" at which I would presumably add some financial information, or be "trained" to do so.

 
Things they both did:

 
1. Presented themselves as early 30s, divorced, successful, not needing money, impeccably dressed, photos in fancy settings, photos probably professional, weird but sincere English, classically beautiful Asians, wanting a serious relationship. Had cool high-end jobs (jewelry designer and fashion designer).

 
2. Moved to WhatsApp quickly. Tried video calls but for some reason never connected.

 
3. Sent more photos. Lots of gorgeous food photos, supposedly what they were eating "now."

 
4. Expressed interest in meeting, but suddenly became unavailable due to last minute travel. (Paris and DC.)

 
5. I got believable photos from "Paris" and "DC." I got believable photos of the "fashion" and "jewelry" work.

 
6. Had "uncles" who made it possible for them to make great wealth by making individual investments that he chose for them. Shared screenshots of supposed account balances that jumped by hundreds of thousands of dollars or more.

 
7. Offered to teach me how to also benefit from "Uncle's" advice. And then invited me to try a "demonstration account," at which point I demurred.

 
Since I travel to DC often (but not Paris), I was able to call the bluff on one of them. I wanted to meet in our city, but she "had to" rush to DC. No problem, I said, I'll be there Monday and we can meet then. We set it up. Near the moment of truth (a lunch meeting) she said I would be meeting with her "uncle," not her, because only "uncle" could give his approval to see if I was worthy of lovely Asian niece. When I said I don't meet with men, she said I would be showing disrespect to "uncle" and it would not go well for our relationship if I did not meet with "uncle" first. I ghosted her at that point.  

 
This was all maybe 2-3 months ago.

 
I presume the demo accounts would steal information from me, or they were trying to whet my greedy appetite for what would be possible if I would just entrust "uncle" with my financial account info. At that point, I'm sure my account would have been sucked dry. (Anyone scammed by this might be too embarrassed to even report it.)

 
So now I ignore those tantalizing profiles. Maybe they're not all the same and maybe some good ones are out there, but I've had my fun and satisfied my curiosity. Likely they're not even chicks. The scams will always evolve so be alert.  

 
Scaramouche, I'm intrigued that you actually got some real video calls out of them, so maybe pursue, but think with the big head.

HTC, I've noticed much more difficulty getting BCD with Asians since COVID began. That experience is in multiple US cities. Not sure if it's because of COVID.

 
As I wrote before, I drilled down on two convos with the "rich" Asians described in Scaramouche's OP and concluded almost certainly that they are a scam.

 
Before COVID I had better luck. Multiple BCD dates with at least three Asians (and others were willing). I broke off with my favorite when she made it clear she wanted to move toward marriage. The ones most likely to go BCD and be repeats, including my favorite, were Asian born.

All very helpful and well investigated although I do wish you had agreed to see the "uncle." That could have been a hoot -- as long you were properly situated to make a fast exit. A few years ago, Dateline did a show where they actually tracked down a couple of the "Nigerian princes." It was pretty amazing.

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Very interesting stuff Rock.. both of them claim to make money in forex trading and other businesses, and one has an 'uncle' who gives her advice. They both offered to let me in.. I told them I'm not into speculation.
But there is a detailed level of texting and photo sharing.. this could be all part of a gang. One of them seems to be cooling now, saying I don't care about her anymore (even though we've never met!)
Proceeding but with caution.. thanks guys.

Hahaha! I forgot the "you don't care anymore" routine. I got that from both of mine, too.  

 
I have zero expertise in this, but I'd guess it is a pretty organized effort involving multiple people. And they're going for people who have accounts they can clean out (people SA is supposed to attract -- older guys who presumably have at least some meaningful assets).

... this is really misunderstanding by the "scam gangs" of who SD's are.

 
The playbook seems to be targeted at older, well-off, losers with zero self-esteem and no game for getting laid.  I think this would have a much better affect on sites like Match or E-harm (misspelling deliberate) where many guys are desperate for love. These are the same guys who get taken by the "Buy a Russian Bride" scam.  

 
On Seeking, the dynamic is very different. We are not desperate to get laid - we are carefully selecting from multiple options the BEST lay we can afford. The balance of power leans towards US.  It's the same problem I expect is encountered by so-called FemDoms on SA.  We are Sugar Daddies because we tend to be the dominate person in the arrangement. And we certainly are not going to toss cash at a chick in the hopes that she will fart on a pair of panties and mail them to us.  

 
I'm not saying profiles outside the  typical Daddy/Baby model are not welcome. I'm just saying I expect they will not be very successful. Now where are my patent leather leggings and mask? I'd better find them before Mistress has my ass whipped by her assistant Marco... again.  

 
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If it is a gang.. the girl losing interest may know that I've got a similar conversation going with the other babe. She told me she had a "sixth sense" that I was seeing someone else.

The app mentioned here is what one gal tried to get me to use

https://www.fma.govt.nz/investors/scams/real-life-scam-stories/scammers-using-dating-apps/

Except the woman sent me a friend request on FB last year. She looked very attractive in her profile. I was curious as to what her intention was so I accepted her request. In my experience (I had gotten several requests like this before), they usually want to find a husband and get their green card. After that, she quickly suggested we should text each other. We then texted each other for at least a week. She always initiated the conversation: asking me how my day was and telling me what she had done that day, showing me pictures of the food she cooked, etc. She would get slightly miffed if I didn't respond right away. She said she's from China and was visiting her aunt in NYC but got stuck here because of COVID. I was just playing along to see what she was up to. Finally, she told me she made a lot of money in the stock market following her "uncle's" advice and asked me if I was interested in investing some money. At that point, I realized she's just a scammer and told her I wasn't interested. I never heard from her after that and her FB profile was soon gone also.

Now I am even getting requests to connect on LinkedIn from attractive Asian women. I knew it was a scam so I didn't even bother to respond. After a few days, their profiles would simply disappear. They are everywhere! I thought people in China are getting rich, but apparently not.

This doesn't really fit the scammer profile under discussion, but I did correspond with a lovely Asian girl in Phx a couple of weeks before I was planning a trip there.  She seemed legit and agreed to a playdate for a reasonable $$.  She showed up right on time as promised and we had an excellent time!  Turns out she's a Phx local, born in Indonesia, has a real job, and loves the occasional playdate for fun and profit.  I went back and saw her again about a year later.

I was wondering what the scam was but now see the huge payoff may be worth the months of texting and cooing. The long con.  They must hire real girls to do this to give the level of detail in the exchanges (dog pictures, restaurants, selfies). But it may be more organized. Sometimes the English is stilted and other times they use expressions you might expect from a native speaker.
Fortunately (or maybe unfortunately) I don't have any funds to invest outside my retirement portfolio.
In any case, these operators are the lowest forms of life.. I'll take an honest hooker any day over them.
It might be something the FBI would be interested in although I don't know I want to be in bed with the Feds.

Scam.

I had a pretty hot girlfriend in high school that ended up working for the FBI. That’s the closest I ever want to come to being in bed with the feds. 😉😇

This was my experience almost verbatim with one of these people. In my case, it was a divorced jewelry designer in London who had an uncle in Singapore who was in the finance ministry, and told his “niece” about the trades to make. The WhatsApp convo went on for some time, including her fussing at me for not having deleted my SA account! Truly, it was some sort of long con. I basically stopped responding after I was told if i wanted to have these successful currency trades, i would have to open an account and “she” would guide me through the steps. I didn’t even ask what or who hosted this “demo account” as at that point, it was clearly a scam.

To give you an idea of the detail “she” went through, when she found out that I enjoyed lakes and waterskiing and such, she claimed she had been out on a lake in Georgia, and sent me some pics of her on a pontoon boat on what looked like a classic corps of engineer lake in Georgia. The pics she sent of her on the board matched the person whose pics she sent me of eating with friends and driving around London. I was almost wondering if this was one of those “too crazy not to be true” situations, but like I said, when the offer to walk me through a demo account (whatever the hell that means) came, I ghosted.

Was she an FBI Special Agent, or was she admin personnel?

I bailed before I could figure out what the scam was, although I knew "she" was  playing the long game. This one followed the same pattern previously described and claimed she ran a beauty parlor in Osaka and a sick "auntie" in my location. When I replied that I knew Osaka well and she should send me a pic shot looking out her window. She did and I reversed searched it to be a stock photo with a view of the river - and the little boats were in the exact same locations !!.

I then asked "her" to write in Japanese since I can read it a little and reversed searched in Google Translate and there were the exact copy and pasted phrases with grammatical errors and all.

I stopped responding on WhatApp but always wondered what the scam's end game was. Now i know. Thanks people.

I can promise you that the house is winning .

It’s not one of us because we wouldn’t be making fun of the scam.  

I’m on the flip side… I’m part Asian and I have excluded Asians from my hobby/ SA searches ever since I had a bad marriage to one. (My therapist knows all my pathology.)  Nevertheless, I am familiar with this scam run on me where the girl is some Eastern European usually blond, with well heeled pics at country clubs… the eating out activities pics, missing phone calls set up, etc. I tend to shut them down early because of too much texting. I wonder if they’re targeting my fetish for Crazy rich pawgs lol!  

Btw, HC, I converted a local POT Japanese SB in Houston/ Austin area to BCD by accident (fresh 18yo American born spinner) because she reported her ethnicity as “mixed.”

As discussed in the past, "Mixed" is really not a useful designation.  If you look at commercials for BS DNA services like "23 & Me" it seems like everyone on the planet is mixed. LOL  

 
Your comment on your Japanese SB makes me think that mixed may be even more useless than I thought, as I infer from your experience that "mixed" can mean different "mixes" in different areas.  In Los Angeles, my experience is that a POT who identifies as "mixed" is frequently trying not be labeled as African American. There is a purported bias mentioned on many Sugar forums, including Seeking's, that SD's (who are majority white) lean away from African American POT's.  So checking mixed might be a strategy to avoid being filtered out of searches.  Now I do not share this bias. I'd say the racial mix of my SB's over the last 10+ years has been at least 35% AA (including 2 long term), with Latinas, White and Asians following, respectively.  That 35% is fairly close to the local demographic mix of African Americans in LA.  

 
But I don't know if my experience aligns with experiences of SD's in other states or metro areas.  Ultimately, it doesn't really matter.  My final decision to attempt to convert a POT to BCD is based mostly on how much I want to fuck her - and that determination is influenced much more by body type, personality, and presumed compatibility than by skin color.  

---- Except for Asian women; they always get up-sorted on my list. LOL  

 
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Mixed is a mixed bag based on locality. And yes it does get used to hide AA. I generally don’t check it as a box. If I see the girl “featured” and I like her profile then I’ll move forward as u said.

I have to laugh again at the favorable bias toward Asian women as a scarce commodity in the hobbying world. Where I come from scoring hot college age ones from multiple sources for BCD for some $ (picking my pockets during a date)  is child’s play and therefore they lose the scarce designation. Go for the catholic school girls!

Now you've done it, ADJ.   Yes, the Catholic School Girl fetish lives on.   I think it's the crisp, white blouse and the short plaid skirts that gets me going, along with the faux look of innocence.  Hard to find an SB who is into role playing that, unless she not role playing. LOL

 
Now find me an Asian spinner who is also a Catholic School Girl...  

 
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Vina Sky, perhaps?

She would be an excellent addition to my rotation. Unfortunately, she's only available at premium Porn Star rates through an agency ~ $1800+ an hour. I haven't found any signs that she's into sugaring, at least not through Seeking... But it's not uncommon for an A-List star to recruit a SD with serious bank "off the books" through internal industry contacts.  

 
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... profile pic is of an Asian ultrahottie sitting in her Lambo Huracan...LOL

... i'm getting text messages several times a day now from Asia supposedly

...she proposed a video chat tomorrow.

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