but I agree that most POT SB's are unlikely to find this an acceptable "first date"
I actually like your idea of "a bottle of wine, some red cups, and a nice park like setting" especially with the warmer weather coming. I wish I had an idea of my own to match it, but I just had one of the girls in my "rotation" leave after a nice visit (and a half a bottle of vodka) so I am not at exactly 100% right now. Just me an hour or two to let the blood flow back to my "big head" and maybe I will be more helpful. In the meantime I'd love to hear some other ideas as good as the ones that you have provided.
This is a very good question for discussion, as the topic is relevant for all SD's no matter their status wrt having a SO.
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My suggestion: replace the in-person M&G with a virtual meeting over FaceTime, Skype, Zoom, GoToMeeting, WhatsApp, SnapChat, etc. There are any number of apps for smart phones, tablets and PC available. Most are:
1. Free (or offer a free trial period)
2. Support one on one video chat (and some support multiple party chat - say up to 8-20 users)
3. Have cross-platform apps so you can use your PC or tablet while she uses her phone
4. Can be accessed and used without disclosing your actual phone number, email, or name (by allowing you to create a user id other than your real data, or using a burner phone number/app).
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Add this to your initial pitch (if it aligns with your usual approach methods):
"Hey, I've been very careful to avoid exposure to random people, and I know you want to be careful as well. How about we set up a brief video chat on (app name) so we can see if we click?"
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The Cat
I have to meet in person, I can't fuck over video chat. lol
Women love this idea and well before Corona I have had women suggest it. The thing is, I can't go directly from video chat to fucking, not to mention I HATE video chatting.
Here is the other thing I don't like about it, many of the younger girls have gotten it in their heads that a video chat, rather than leading to an "in person" date can be a substitute for meeting in person instead. Call me a dinosaur, but not all technology is good technology IMO. lol
Fair enough, GaGa.
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But I'll suggest that your POV is based on some key differences in our approach, negotiation and closing strategies.
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If i am correct:
1. You prefer to set up a M&G with a same-time close to BCD. In fact, you are a master at this.
- I get my best results with a slower process; M&G first, then follow up negotiations, and finally scheduling BCD.
2. I am sure you are not willing to ever offer sugar for a M&G, let alone a video chat.
- I agree! I'd decline (and have declined) any POT that asked for sugar just to talk online.
3. You are not much older than me, but I suspect you come from a career culture that does not put making and using advanced communication technologies at the foundation of their business model.
- I just retired after 35 years in Fin-Tech where adopting new tech and normalizing it EVERYWHERE has made me a millionaire.
- This is in no way an attempt to call you a dinosaur. I think your success-zone (if I can coin that phrase) comes from a skill set that differs from mine, at least in technology utilization. Although I truly believe that we have a huge overlap in human interaction, sales & closing, leadership & management, and other skills.
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The Cat
The reason I hate this idea is because there is no plausible deniability the minute some BSC SB releases a recording of the video chat with you selling her on the idea of picking you to get in her pants for cash. Several years ago, a young SB (or a catfish) threatened to post my private pictures on her social media because I declined to see her after a few exchanges on SA. Cut off communications and reported her to SA. Going forward my 'alibi' would be that anyone could grab my pictures from online and say that I was their SD. It would be my word vs. their word. How do you deny a 10 minute video?
Just like a bunch of guys who used their actual email addresses were "caught" when Ashley Madison got hacked, we are going to see some meet-n-greet videos posted by nefarious SB's. Don't do it!
GaGa and THE Boogie Man have some great points. I’ve always tried to learn from you guys and evolve my game.
I did the M & G plan, soft pedal the sale and close with a second or third meeting for BCDs. Now I want to close the deal on the first visit. My new COVID adjusted plan has me pick up the POT SB, take her thru the drive thru at Starbucks and if she is what I want take her to an empty VRBO house I have. I’m looking to close the deal now.
Enjoy fellas!
It was only a few hours after your post that a POT SB that I was flirting with suggested the EXACT same thing that you did, a "virtual meeting" until the Corona Crisis is behind us. and that is EXACTLY what I was afraid of when you made your suggestion. I am not going to have endless video chats until the lockdown is lifted. I don't want another pen pal, or someone to SKYPE with, I want to have sex and I would rather just start from scratch with a new SB once the lockdown is over than spend hours just "talking" to some POT SB that I am not sleeping with.
Actually I don't close most of my business "in person" in my real world life, although sometimes I do. As you know it's quite common to do multi million dollar deals from thousands of miles away with people who you not only have not yet met, but people that you NEVER plan on meeting in person. I do agree that "sales is sales" "negotiating is negotiating" and the skill sets required really are not that much difference whether business is conducted face to face, over the phone, via teleconference, or even just by email, but sex is a completely different matter. It's not possible to "close the deal" sexually without being in the same room together. lol
BTW I was the one who called me a "dinosaur" not you. lol but yes, I use modern tools of communication for business, but not for having sex. I can close a multi million dollar deal over the phone and have the contracts executed by docu sign and the money transferred via bank wire. OTOH, I can't get laid without being "in person" doing virtual dates has the same risk as being "friend zoned" the longer you do it the less likely you are to EVER get laid. I would much rather schedule a picnic in the park with a hotel nearby than do "virtual dates" to get a POT SB to warm up to me.
If I start getting a flood of these requests, I am blaming YOU Herb, but lets hope it doesn't come to that. lol
I'm not aware of any significant number of SB's who read these posts, but I suppose there may be some in addition to the hookers who sugar as well.
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So I'm not taking any heat from you, sir, for any POT's (who I assume are all Millennials and therefore tech early adopters) that ask for a video chat. LOL. However, I never said I'd accept an endless string of chats, leading to nothing. I'll use it to quickly progress to a face to face with the expectation of BCD. But sure, park dates are classy! (Um.. no, they are not! LOL). And if they work for you, then go forth a fuck, my friend.
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Anyway, I think the lesson for the Padawans out there is be flexible and adaptive, and use the tools and strategies that work best for you. I'll be using my "tool" to bang more LA spinners under 25, thank you.
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but the timing DEMANDED that I blame you for it. lol
And yes, this particular POT SB is a millennial, although since the millennials start at age 22 now, a lot of my SB's are actually YOUNGER than millennials, and I am sure you can say the same.
I won't say I have never done video chats with POT SB's, a couple of them have just Face Timed me after a few text messages back and forth, and I don't want to act like I am scared for them to see my face. I just don't want to get into the habit of it, quite frankly I HATE Face timing, you always have to make sure the camera is at the right angle or you end up with her looking right up your nose, NOT a good look. lol
I also never claimed that "park dates" are classy, but with every bar and restaurant closed for hundreds and hundreds of miles, I think it's a very clever idea of how to have a "semi public" non threatening first date during this Corona scare.
BTW the POT SB who wants to do a "virtual date" is a fucking nurse and I can tell there is ZERO chance of meeting her in person until all this hysteria over Corona is behind us, I bet she's a Bernie Supporter too, but some of them, while complete fucking dingbats are some very good fucks. You know, the best girls in bed are all a little psycho and no one is more psycho than a Bernie Bot.
I don't know if I will ever stop laughing at that... 
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Thanks for the giggler!
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The Cat
Have the girl hide in the bathroom and take the tray from the server in the hallway.
I learned the hard way.
I had been seeing this SB regularly since August. Our first 3 dates were for dinner, partly due to her being on her period on the 3rd date. We drank wine during these dinners, and the servers checked her ID at the restaurants.
And at this point in November, this was probably our 5th time at this particular hotel. My SB and I had a routine where we'd lay out candles, romantic lights, and I think I had also brought her flowers... I usually would bring her flowers. We were still dressed, but hungry (usually we'd fuck for a couple hours before ordering a late delivery service), so this time we just decided to make out until the food arrived.
When the room service woman arrived, she immediately handed me the check and she made her way into the room with the tray, seeing my 22-year old SB (who dressed young and looked even younger). On her way out, the server gave me a scorned look. I even tipped her pretty decent, but I guess she wasn't impressed. I'm 58. I was sure she imagined I was a dirty old man, and she was right. Oh well.
The SB and I undressed, lit the candles, started the music, and ate naked... she likes to eat naked on the bed... what a sight... anyway, we ate, fucked for about an our, and were basking in the glow when there was a stern knock at the door. I was thinking it was room service to pick up the tray, though that had never happened. Running to the peep hole revealed two men in uniform. I grabbed a robe and she went to grab hers (God Bless Doubletrees) and asked her to grab her ID...
I opened the door to two officers, "We had an anonymous report of a possible under-aged girl."
So a little apologetic small talk after reviewing her ID they were on their way... No harm, but it's a scenario I don't really want to repeat. Next time I blocked the door, signed the check, and grabbed the tray in the hall.
