The Erotic Highway

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mthomas620 61 Reviews 3644 reads
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1 / 34

Just joined SA and essentially and man is it tough to find a diamond in the rough. A ton of bots/fake profiles, but very easy to distinguish.  A few things that I noticed so far:

-I have been favorited by a ton of "girls" from Central America or the Philippines.  All fake of course. I wish there was a way to block.

-Looking for NSA/FWB in my description has brought me some girls who claim to be looking for the same, but some are straight pros. It usually starts through the SA messaging system, and then before you know it the request is "Let's move this to text."  One girl asked for $700 PPM which I thought was ridiculous for a random.  

-I have two M&G's scheduled atm. Both look promising but I'm afraid one may flake... We will see.  

-As others have said, I will suggest a PPM rather than an allowance which I don't think will be sustainable.  

-This is a different "game" compared to regular mongering, alot more finesse is required which may be part of the appeal...

bassrat51 4 Reviews 102 reads
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2 / 34

Hope you did some research here on how to start out on here.  If you want don't want to be hunted by the CA/Philippines, scammers, or gold diggers you can set your profile on hide from searches.  That allows you to be the hunter and not have your inbox fill up with junk or get favorited by a thousand girls from the middle of nowhere.

mthomas620 61 Reviews 124 reads
posted
3 / 34

Thats good advice. Initially my thought was not to hide my profile and activity so girls that I view can see I have an interest. I suppose just a "like," should suffice.....

Scaramouche 204 Reviews 105 reads
posted
4 / 34

I'm also new (just browsing free for now).. my impressions:

From what I can tell, the women on SA could include 1) escort types who are choosy about whom they fuck, and as a result offer (maybe) a more genuine GF experience; 2) "princesses" looking for a monthly mistress allowance to support their lifestyle or studies; 3) single moms willing to fuck for rent money or extra cash; and 4) women just "seeking" a new boyfriend (or hubby) who isn't a total loser. (I saw one SA girl also on Bumble!)
I guess I'm open to all of the above except 2) and the marriage thing, You can draw some inferences from the profiles but some are pretty vague. . I also get the impression the costs are comparatively higher for sugar gals than comparable escorts, but who knows?

hardknocks6 37 Reviews 116 reads
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5 / 34

I switched from exclusively mongering to SA about 3 1/2 years ago, and have never looked back.  It is very time-consuming and probably a bit more expensive on one-offs and one-time repeats than the escorts I was seeing.  But once you find an SB worth keeping, it is probably less expensive.  

This is a challenging time on SA -- in my area (New Mexico) there are a lot of "princesses", "platonic only" and scammers.  But patience pays -- I am currently seeing a new "platonic only" woman that is one of the horniest and most responsive women I have ever met -- and she initiates more than half our meetings.  So the frustrations of SA are high, the costs can be a little high, but the payoff can be amazing.

One other thing -- don't give up...the learning curve for the sugar world is steep and it may take you a bit of time to figure it out.  The flakes and GPS gals will drive you nuts, but give it three or four months to learn the ropes.  Your note suggests you are already learning fast.

AnotherDonJohn 124 reads
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6 / 34

Having been an active (daily) premium user in “acquisition” mode (now four SB in rotation, 3 from SA, 1 from Alt SB), I believe:

#1 is spot on - this is one of my new SB
#2 is prolly spot on- they have certain descriptions incl the Luxury Lifestyle+ Travel with You, demand huge allowances for the getting to know u intro.  I steer clear of them also.
#3 I believe the married, separated, divorced housewife is an obvious thing yes. Some try to do virtual only because of Covid or no babysitters. Therefore only some of these will work IRL... I have one new SB from this group.  
#4 college girl or just postcollege or post high school- no college but no kid yet either, experimenting or paying her bills, is prolly also a thing. I have a New SB from here 21 yo and a POT already negotiated terms and did Proof of Life just have to have first meet.  This is the largest pool in screener to be honest.  

Good assessment that I think captures 90% of them

liqq63 19 Reviews 132 reads
posted
7 / 34

There is a learning curve in sugaring for sure.  I've sugared for 3 years with a one month deep dive in each of those years.  Currently no sugar in my world, but I tend to bounce back and forth, pro to sugar.  Sugar attrition is what triggers a shift for me back to pros.  Due to the monthly cost of an SA membership, I like to be in the right mood to deep dive there before I pay up again.  The simplest and easiest way to deal with the unwanted favs and messages is to hit the hide button for anything out of your general playground area.  Don't give a second thought to that garbage, just concentrate on your local turf or those cities where you plan on traveling.  The pros with profiles on SA who also have reviews and ads on escort malls don't seem to hang around for long there, probably because of the effort expended to get to an envelope.  And then there are the pros that I think of as the  "casino girl" type.  They are the Miss Right Nows who don't beat around the bush.  Early on I had several over, and the experience was pretty much like booking with a pro in how it all goes down, start to finish.  Didn't wish to repeat with any of them for lack of any chemistry.  All were just too business-business.  I prefer connections that turn into repeats over notches on the bed post.  Finesse required to sugar?  You bet, but patience and spider-sense are probably just as important for success.  Maybe it was just blind luck, but I think that the diamonds that I've found have been worth the effort (In year one, 2 diamonds found that led to 15 dates.  In year two, I found one diamond that led to 4 dates.  In year three, three diamonds found that led to 18 dates.)  I've played around with various search parameters, but have settled into filtering only for age (for me 35+).  I'll browse profiles, but rarely initiate contact anymore.  Interacting primarily with only those who make first contact has led to less back and forth on SA, but a higher percentage of closed deals/rewarding arrangements when weighed against total contacts.  

AnotherDonJohn 92 reads
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8 / 34

First, I think I replied to OP instead of you Scaramouche.

Second, I misread number 4 : didn’t see the Bumble part. So there actually a separate #5 I mistook for #4... who isn’t a escort (1), princess (2), mom (3), bumble/ match dater (4)...the not-a-mom , post high school some college, need my car bills paid and spending money to go out, is one of the biggest group IMHO.

mthomas620 61 Reviews 119 reads
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9 / 34

So far I have three "tentative" meet and greets...  Girl 1 was setup for today, but the girl backed out last minute due to feeling sick.  She is actually driving a decent distance to see me, so I did offer to pay for gas/parking as a gesture. I thought it went very well and she seemed very appreciative.  Cancelling kinda threw me off, but she did mention tomorrow is a possibility.

Girls 2 & 3 are not scheduled yet, but hoping to meet one of them at least tomorrow.  

AnotherDonJohn 139 reads
posted
10 / 34

“Gas money” I learned from my seniors is fine if the girl shows up...

Its like the $700 ppm... part of the gauntlet we run!

mthomas620 61 Reviews 103 reads
posted
11 / 34

A few more updates... so with the three girls that I am the most optimistic about, only one did we discuss the PPM rate.   Girl #3 said 200-300 which I think is great. If I'm ranking the girls, she is #3 on my list. I did specifically ask her what she was looking for in terms of PPM because if it was out of range, I didn't want to waste my time.  This has not come up at all with girls 1 & 2, but we will see how it goes in person. Ideally I would like to be in the 300 range, but maybe 400 if she can host.  I'll let them tell me first so I dont lose any ground....

mthomas620 61 Reviews 94 reads
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12 / 34

So after about 3 weeks on SA, I have messaged dozens of girls who seemed to be on the same page as me (ie. fwb, discretion, nsa, etc).  Those "marriage minded, etc" I avoided.   I also made sure I was very transparent (without violating terms) with what I am looking for as well as being married.   5 girls ended up being good POT's.

Girl 1: back and forth, several attempts for M&G and something always seemed to come up. This is a DOA...
Girl 2: Same as above
Girl 3: Setup a M&G and she flaked. She wanted to reschedule but I'm done with her.
Girl 4: Some back and forth, but doesn't seem like this is going to materialize.  She seems all over the place. Maybe a good thing this isn't going to happen.  
Girl 5: Finally some success and we met and seemed to hit it off for coffee I think we will have our first date next week. She is open to straight BCD or dinner with BCD. Very open and free spirited...  

There are other girls who I didn't consider a POT due to what they were expecting in terms of $$$$.  Not realistic.  One girl just straight up told me she requires 1k to meet. haha.  I'm only paying 1k to a 9/10 pro.  

AnotherDonJohn 130 reads
posted
13 / 34

Your pull rate probably varies with your offered rate vs the market average.

I can get some at 4$ even 3$. At $5 the hotties start rolling in.
Posted By: mthomas620
Re: Not Easy
So after about 3 weeks on SA, I have messaged dozens of girls who seemed to be on the same page as me (ie. fwb, discretion, nsa, etc).  Those "marriage minded, etc" I avoided.   I also made sure I was very transparent (without violating terms) with what I am looking for as well as being married.   5 girls ended up being good POT's.  
   
 Girl 1: back and forth, several attempts for M&G and something always seemed to come up. This is a DOA...  
 Girl 2: Same as above  
 Girl 3: Setup a M&G and she flaked. She wanted to reschedule but I'm done with her.  
 Girl 4: Some back and forth, but doesn't seem like this is going to materialize.  She seems all over the place. Maybe a good thing this isn't going to happen.  
 Girl 5: Finally some success and we met and seemed to hit it off for coffee I think we will have our first date next week. She is open to straight BCD or dinner with BCD. Very open and free spirited...  
   
 There are other girls who I didn't consider a POT due to what they were expecting in terms of $$$$.  Not realistic.  One girl just straight up told me she requires 1k to meet. haha.  I'm only paying 1k to a 9/10 pro.  

mthomas620 61 Reviews 120 reads
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14 / 34

Seems like I've hit a wall. As I reported last time, I had only one successful meet and greet.  All the other girls I have contacted have either asked for money up front, money for a M & G, or just super high expectations ($600 PPM for Coffee).   A few just flaked after some time.  I'm not sure if this is just in my area, but this has proved more challenging than I thought.  The Sugar Bowl may not just be for me...

herbtcat 6 Reviews 122 reads
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15 / 34

This is a perfect time to go back and review all the POT profiles that didn't work out. What do they have in common?  
1. Re-read the about me and seeking section text.  Is there a similarity or theme there (besides the obvious)?  
- Are there a lot of "no's" in her profile? "no scammers," "no time wasters," "no flakes."  
- Does she present a sense of self-entitlement? "I deserve the best, so you'd better bring it."  
2. Look at the pics? Mostly casual selfies, or glamour/IG style? Modest attire, sexy but not slutty, or lingerie/overtly slutty?  
3. What about the tags? Are they all listing the same ones? I often filter out "Luxury Lifestyle" to weed out the GPS Queens?  
4. Did they create a gift list (yellow flag)? If they did, what did they pick out? High end designer crap, or more modest items like a $50 Uber card?

 
Now try filtering out profiles that fit the most common themes and see what happens.  

 
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tomcat0360 105 Reviews 136 reads
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16 / 34

I joined SA in 2015. For about 3 years, I had a lot of success. I usually had three regular SB's I saw every month. A lot of them looked much better than your average providers and they only asked for 300-400 for multiple hours (usually one hour for dining/drinking and two hours BCD), even overnights and weekends. This was less expensive than most DC providers charged for an hour. One asked for 500 but she was a very hot 18-year-old who became a top provider eventually. She is under the radar now, but I would still get emails when she comes to visit. A lot of them told me their real names so I could see their FB profiles. Back then, SB's would meet for a drink or lunch for free (pretty standard).

Starting in 2018, I started noticing most SB's start asking for $ for just a meet and greet and a lot of them asked for 500 for less time. That's when I decided to stop finding new blood and stick with my regulars. Once the pandemic started, almost all my regulars disappeared and I also decided to stop for safety reasons. I am getting vaccinated this week, but I doubt I will ever go back to SA again. It's just not the same anymore.

MDraft 122 reads
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17 / 34

Pretty much the same experience as you. For the life of me I can't seem to find any SBs of the same caliber as in 2016. I'm even thinking of going back to providers but unfortunately after 5 years absence I don't have any references

PolePosition 126 reads
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18 / 34

Ditto here...something, other than the virus definitely seems to be happening.  I've had success, but like others, have looked up past SB and see if they still have any interest. I'm getting serious with my main one, so have begun to lose the motivation to sift through all the rubbish. I'll miss it, but think I'll cancel my subscription next month.

AnotherDonJohn 129 reads
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19 / 34

HC and GaG expoused to me a no -to- low $ first meet rule.  

I think in the pandemic, esp the hotter the girl in the pics you are picking (20 and super fit blond), a legit SB might be asking for up to a Cnote for a M&G dinner or coffee. I have only done this twice in my “relaunch”, but both times the girl has been real. One SB fell off for other reasons but one SB is still the college girl of my dreams going strong.  

If I were them, I might do the same to weed out the non SDs. She’d lose a few but the ones who pay the partial meet entrance fee (and if you do it, do it without drawing too my attention to it like they’re worth it and you’ve got the cheddar) would have no prob meeting her ppm which is going for $500 for the hot ones.  

Just my $.02

Scaramouche 204 Reviews 116 reads
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20 / 34

I'm still lurking and not quite at this stage, but wondering something about your filtering:
Are you targeting gals who are advertising as "cupcakes" with a clear hint at P2P? Or any of them out for just dating and connections? Or any of those with a couple of kids and looking for action on the side?
Is it mostly the ladies initiating contact or you?

sweetman 93 Reviews 110 reads
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21 / 34

Regarding filtering, I always have  my profile paid for, active, visible to all. Yes it costs $ and leaves me open to tons of unsolicited msgs from Venezuela, the Philipines, et al. And My own profile clearly states that I will reply to all contacts and hope for the same in return.  So I tell the distant hopefuls thanks but  I only date locally and I move on.  

Herb says he only talks to the SBs who initiate contact. I wish I had the luxury  of that approach cuz the rate of success with those is generally higher. But I'm in a target poor environment,  not quite in downtown Pussy Siberia but certainly in the suburbs.  So I initiate contact very frequently. I start with those who appear attractive, then read their profile and filter out any negatives and red flags, and then make a decision.

However, my approach is different if I'm seeking a playmate for a one off while traveling.  In that case I will filter for those seeking friends with benefits.. That one filter generally eliminates all but those who are dtf. It then remains to be seen if they are also open to one time hookups with an out of town visitor. Sometimes the answer is yes, and it works out great! I usually expect to gift them about double my normal local rate.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 129 reads
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22 / 34

"not quite in downtown Pussy Siberia but certainly in the suburbs."

Wouldn't downtown have more population than the suburbs?  :-)

tomcat0360 105 Reviews 129 reads
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23 / 34

She is not going to show. When I first started, I gave them gas money also. I learned quickly after a few no-shows/cancellations. I was very naive at the beginning and got scammed several times. Learned my lesson the hard way.

mthomas620 61 Reviews 113 reads
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24 / 34

I'm not sure if the cost/benefit has been worth it thus far.  Many and I mean many messages and flakes via text.  Right now I have 5 POTS.  Two successful meet and greets and now coordinating time to get together.  The three other POTS have been decent with texting, but at times go MIA days on end... then a random message....  We will see what happens, but at the end of the day I might have made only 2 connections and dozens of fails.  With a companion, it's obviously much more simpler.  Was it all worth it? I'm not 100% sure as my screen time has significantly gone up and perhaps my work productivity has gone down. LOL   However, the TWO POTS are within my budget (lower than my regular) and will provide extra time I would never get with a companion....   I'll keep everyone posted!

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 111 reads
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25 / 34

Some people do enjoy the chase.  I mean if it was easy, it might be boring and not really any boost to the ego.
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The fact that we get turned down more often than we close means it isn't a given and therefore a win is all the more dear.

herbtcat 6 Reviews 113 reads
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26 / 34

@mthomas620, I've posted about conversion rates in the Sugar Bowl in the past.  

 
If you're a sales professional, a 35% close rate from prospect to signed contract may not qualify you for the President's Club award. Instead, I suggest you think of measuring your success more like a professional Baseball player, where a batting average of .350 is All-Star and Hall of Fame level performance.  

 
The best hitters in MLB FAIL to get a hit more than 6 out of 10 times at bat.  From your numbers, If you are closing from POT to BCD at least 2 out of 5 times, that's a .400 batting average and I presume you are doing that without steroids!  
The closing process is more of an art than a science, although you can use science to better understand your performance. So as I suggested in the past, go back and look at the POT's that ghosted, declined your offer, or ended up BSC and look for the things they have in common. Do the same for your successes. After a while you will start to improve your instinct for which POT will be in which bucket.  

 
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mthomas620 61 Reviews 102 reads
posted
27 / 34

Had my first SA date, We clicked at a M&G and this was our first official date.  She was OK to just renting a hotel room and dinner, etc. wasn't really necessary.  We had about a 4 hour "date" and spent alot of time getting to know each other before things got frisky. Honestly gave me one of the best BJs I have ever had.  I couldn't go for another round due to some other commitments  I had for the evening, but there was no rush to kick me out.  This was definitely a different vibe compared to a typical session with a companion. I have a few more potentials and will see how those play out.    

I had one other successful M&G and going to have a date with her next week.   3 other POTS are in the texting phase and I'll see how those play out. Hoping to at least have three girls in the stable before I cancel my membership with SA.  

The chase is fun, but damn this is alot of work!

AnotherDonJohn 106 reads
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28 / 34

Congrats l!  

Do you think she was a pro provider acting as SB? Sounds to me Iike one. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. They’re prob a good deal of the pool that makes it past screening as “real.”

A pro was my first SA date... I posted abt finding her on p411 and other sites though not listed here. I would say I’m not a crazy about a pro SB anymore. Yes bcd is a given but the issue for me is the action itself is weirdly less intense than it would be if she were pulled from p411.

mthomas620 61 Reviews 89 reads
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29 / 34

Posted By: AnotherDonJohn
Re: BCD 1
Congrats l!  
   
 Do you think she was a pro provider acting as SB? Sounds to me Iike one. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. They’re prob a good deal of the pool that makes it past screening as “real.”  
   
 A pro was my first SA date... I posted abt finding her on p411 and other sites though not listed here. I would say I’m not a crazy about a pro SB anymore. Yes bcd is a given but the issue for me is the action itself is weirdly less intense than it would be if she were pulled from p411.
This is an interesting question and I  don’t think she is a pro, but maybe a “semipro.” ? She doesn’t even like talking about $$$ because she feels it’s too transactional. Maybe this is how she convinces herself she isn’t a sex worker. IDK?  She understands that an arrangement should lead to sex, but seems to be okay to cutting to the chase.  

A second girl I’m meeting at a hotel on Wednesday. I suggested we should have dinner first but due to my worries about discretion, I asked if we could just meet in the hotel and order in. She was okay with this too....    

mthomas620 61 Reviews 117 reads
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30 / 34

Girl #2 was interesting. As mentioned before, I asked if we could skip out on dinner because I was afraid of being seen and suggested we go to a hotel and order in. She was okay with that.  We hung out and talked for maybe an hour before we actually kicked it. Not thinking with my head we fucked without protection. She was fine with it but I’m not necessarily happy I did this.   She’s not a pro by any means, but this could be worrisome if she is this promiscuous with others......

tomcat0360 105 Reviews 133 reads
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31 / 34

I am not proud to say this but I have gone bareback with quite a few SB's. Some of them will just say, "You don't need to use a condom," and some will just get on top of me before I can even say anything. I just think with my little head so I never say no. I have to admit my dick sliding inside a wet pussy feels great. Although I wonder if you insist on using a condom even when they say you don't have to, will they get offended? They might take it as you think they are not safe.

herbtcat 6 Reviews 103 reads
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32 / 34

Arrangements are about consent and transparency with your SB. I always go bare, but I also always require we share recent test results first.  If she hasn't had a recent test, I either ask her to get one, or I take her to a local lab to get tested  at my expense.   Next I ask about birth control and make sure we both agree on "what if?"  Finally, I keep doses of "Plan B" (get the generic on Amazon for 1/3 retail) around in case she's not on BC.  

 
Remember, we are the one's with life experience here... take responsibility for this stuff and don't act like the 20-ish Bar/Tinder douche bags she's always telling you are assholes.  Yes, the cash will bring them to you for your first BCD, but your example of what a good guy is really like (responsible, respectful, nice - not a pussy - just nice, and best in class pussy eating) will bring them back to Daddy - frequently.  

 
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mthomas620 61 Reviews 107 reads
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33 / 34

Just one last update!  SA had its  ups and downs for me  (but mostly downs). At the end of my first month on SA, I have secured two pretty hot POT’s but I didn’t feel a 100% connection with...  

 As I was going through old messages,  I remembered a POT that flaked,  but I didn’t want to give up on this particular girl. Something about her was drawing me to her. After putting some thought into out past chats, it hit me that coming out to the city to meet me was not convenient for her and she was just too sweet of a girl to admit this.  

So I hit her up on text and asked her if she was still interested and I could meet closer to her.  Boom! That is all it took. We met at a bar closer to her and wow did we hit it off. She is wayyyy hotter in person and completely my type.  

 A couple of hours of seamless conversation and we agreed to a number. Slightly higher than what I normally pay for my regular companion, but the connection was unreal.  We ended up meeting at a hotel the week after for about 3-4 hours and I think I’m on love (figuratively speaking). Lol!  

So now I have my new regular!  I’m out of the bowl and this also takes me out of the companion game as well (can’t afford both).  I’m hoping this is long term, but we will see how this goes. Thanks all for the advice!

herbtcat 6 Reviews 113 reads
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34 / 34

Nicely done.  

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