Thanks for sharing. I am somewhat allergic to motivational speakers but this guy is terrific.
How much allowance I will give them per meet and what I expect EXACTLY from the relationship. Its like they all turned into middle of the road TER providers overnight. Not one will even entertain a face to face to discuss without getting paid. $200 offered is getting called "cheap" and blocked. Honestly, for 350 -500 on Long Island I can get a pro in an incall and not pay for the motel nor rubbers. I got into the Bowl because it was cheaper for more time. Maybe I'm headed back to regular TER p4p. Save the sub costs for SA and SB. I'm gonna give it another month, meantime I will call my ATF for a few rounds.
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One wanted 1000. Another wanted 500. And she said she would never fuck a GRANDPA for 300. Lol
to send you a heart emoji the next day or so (when her rent becomes due) and tell you that was the best fuck she ever had.
She is practically a high priced SB at this point with me. We talk and BS about life on the phone OTC, We have had some mind blowing sex where she either fakes it masterfully or just really enjoys it, I don't care which, the fantasy works for me. We've become true friends (outside of the p4p end of the relationship), she has even called me and asked advice and used me as a sounding board for personal issues that had nothing to do with p4p. Only problem is cost, hence my dipping into the bowl. And I kinda despise emoji's.
I didn't get into "the bowl" because it was cheaper, I got into it because there are virtually ZERO "TER reviewed providers" within a hundred miles or more from me, but it has been a very welcome side benefit. I am gettng to the point where I don't want to pay much over a hundred bucks unless it's for an extended date with a girl I really want to spend time with.
I guess it's a trade off, I don't have anywhere near the selection you guys have in the "big city" but the girls in my College town have some pretty realistic expectations, but even when I reach out as far as Dallas, I still don't get too much GPS from the majority of the POT SB's
As I have posted elsewhere, I am getting more pot SBs wanting money up front. They are also getting more explicit about what I am looking for. I had one specifically ask if I was looking for anal! Some want detailed specifics before setting a ppm figure and/or before setting up a meet and greet. Fortunately there are enough that are willing to meet and discuss in less specific terms that I can keep my rotation going.
I had one ask me what the arrangement included - Dinner? Sex? Both?
Talk about loaded questions....since I had no idea who/what was on the other side, I had to be very careful in answering (and yes, I was not specific about anything).
I get 2-3 emails per day, but almost none of them go anywhere. Sad!
I try to pass on them. They are too focused on money and not they type of SB I want.
An old quote: "What this country needs is a good recession"
Every SB I have had the privilege meeting over the years went exactly like this:
1. M&G followed by BCD without pay
2. Monthly allowance with at least 3 times meeting (usually 4 - 6 in reality)
3. Pay for weekend get aways.
I laugh at everyone who wants PPM and money just to meet. Did I do it early on (say 5 years ago), yes. Be patient and the right ones for you will come out of the woodwork. FWIW the gals over 30 try harder and still have amazing body in my neck of the woods.
This issue has been raised in various forms several times before and the conversation has tended to be dominated by mongers who perpetually claim to find LOTS of HIGH QUALITY 20 y/o college pussy for 200...lol !
I've been discouraged by the attitude and upfront requests of most early 20 y/o SB's also...my response has evolved over time from outright dismissal to saying that " I'm FLEXIBLE " about the allowance and then ask the girl to tell me what amount she would feel comfortable with.
The responses I get run the full gamut ...the outrageous ones I simply don't respond to...but sometimes I'm surprised by a low $ request and other times her request opens the door for a real negotiation which can lead to a reasonable rate.
Then AFTER the rate is agreed on I ask her what " rules or restrictions " she might have and also inquire about my " special " requests for services to see if she is amenable to EVERYTHING I want.
In summary, I prefer to have a M&G first to assess her looks and the potential for great chemistry but if the lady wants to negotiate upfront, it offers an opportunity to find out in advance of we're both on the same page and if not, then I've saved the time wasted in discovering all of that in a M&G 😋
The old adage that " Problems Represent Opportunities " is valid in the SugarBowl as it is in all of life !
HAPPY HUNTING !
I guess I'm one of those mongers you're referring to "who perpetually claim to find LOTS of HIGH QUALITY 20 y/o college pussy for 200...lol ! " All I can say is that's my actual reality so that's what I talk about. I have 6 lovelies in my rotation right now ranging from age 19 to 25. I pay 4 of them $200, the other 2 receive $250. Of the 6, 4 are actually college girls, generally broke, and appreciative of my attention and my gift$. The other 2 are civvies tryna get by and make a living. As for quality, I consider 2 of them to be among the most beautiful young women I've ever encountered, and the other 4 are between nice looking and extremely nice looking. Performance varies among them, but all are good to excellent. As for the OP's comments, I just did a quick look at my SA message exchanges. I'm conversing with 8 new potential SBs and only one has asked how much money I'd give her. She wants more than I'm willing to pay, so I won't follow up with her, especially since I have so many other options, either current or under development.
Tom Hopkins materials. Here's a link to one of his YouTube vids. Google him for more...
Includes full GFE. In girlfriend/SB fashion. Guess I complained too early. But that being said, I am seeing a lot of pro prices without pro reviews. I ain't going there. If I am spending that much I will be going with a regular TER reviewed provider first.
Thanks for sharing. I am somewhat allergic to motivational speakers but this guy is terrific.