I've noticed locally that there seems to be a big jump in pros on SA. Absolutely no pretense of meeting, chemistry etc....Its I come over. We fuck . I go. One lady even mentions incall in her ad. The other thing is they are much more aggressive in contacting me with offers.

but yes, there are many quite overt ads by hookers on SA and yes many of them will make the first move to be the one to do the contacting with offers. but please remember I LIKE hookers and I don't see this as such a bad thing. As long as they are willing to take no as an answer, some seem to have a problem hearing NO and continue to keep "working" you for a date

I've noticed the lady who supposedly hails from the land of baguettes and some of her (ex)crew on SA, plus the old(er) lady who offers FBSM from the locale known for the horse races and some of her (ex)crew members on SA. The true pros pony up the $50 or so and actually do join as Premium members and so do the web(scam) girls or whoever manages their SA profiles. Not to say that all SB premium members are Pros but I have discovered that a vast majority in fact are!

OTOH, I think that you are referring to those who juts wish to override the "connection", "chemistry", yada, yada and just get down to the P4P business. I verifiably know that this type of SBs have a very strong representation on SA, at least in our local market. As for me, I'm just going to stick with the Coed Unicorn for the time being and ride that as long as it last so I have no desire or much resources left to dedicate to someone else with the exception of a very hot looking POT SB who if I had to guess, I would say a stripper based on her all T&A appearance whose photos turn me on but she's up there in the neighboring county. We shall see.

are they offering services at their posted Pro rates or something else? I guess advantages of SA are that the 'no negotiating' etiquette is off the table and you might get an inexpensive or free meet-for-drinks to test compatibility

Can you also smell roses in that land of baguettes, and what are block walls made of near the race track?

If I'm reading correctly, there have been some hot girls on that horse race crew. It might be worth asking if they moonlight should I visit there again.

Ok. Im confused. Lol

I have had zero interest in that crew since I can only assume that thy've started to use fake picture for the new recruits. I know that the older crew circa a year ago were using actual photos and I would have also guessed reasonably current ones at that.

In all fairness, I only recognized the lady who runs the business and also the one who was with them and was heavily inked up and since I had no interest in either one, I just left it at that wether in their FBSM offering or their SA reincarnation. There was a time when I was really into FBSM as I did not particularly enjoy FS with hookers but that FBSM eventually altered my playing habits with women to the point that I started to prefer body slides over the actual FS, even with civvies. That was a bad thing for me so I have been refraining since!

As for these type of pros, I hesitate to waste each other's time even if there was going to be sexual attraction (none with the ones I have hinted toward here) because the objectives are most probably very diametrically opposite:

Me: Best bang for the buck (I can get younger and hotter)

Them: Least bang for the buck (they get 200+ for jelquing a dude)

Result: We ought to stay away from one another and bid each other "good luck"!

I have no idea what you are talking  about lol.

LOL, I can only imagine a civvie GF's look when you ask her to rub oil all over you and just slide her tits on your back! Seriously, I know what you mean though about FBSM altering your perceptions.

I am really curious if the Pros are just using SA to fill holes (in their schedule that is) with lower rates but a big risk of cancellations.

Why do you assume the crew is using fake pics now? That would be disappointing.

I can't remember the last time I found a profile on SA that was clearly that of a pro.  I've seen a number of webcam scammers, many profiles from foreigners hoping to get into the USA, many profiles that say no sex only platonic, and various others that are a waste of space.  But no pros.

There are some very easy, tell tale signs she is a PRO. Hourly "allowance rates", first meeting either at your home or her hotel room, private pics with full or almost full nudity are just a few of the indicators.

I have not only contacted/been contacted by several pros, but I have fucked several of them, so this is not speculation on my part.  lol Just remember, I have said this many times, but I LIKE hookers. lol

Ad GaGa said you just need to spot the signs. I had a date last night with a pro. She wanted to talk on the phone b4 we met and asked about what I liked, should she bring toys, did I want her to stay the night, and more. Nice little pro. She looked just like Picts too.

I agree with you guys!  I'd be quite happy to find pros on SA since I like them as well.  Haven't found any though.

The smaller sites like StrikeUps.com dont have that problem yet.  The larger ones like seekingarrangement, etc well... Seems the bigger sites are indeed getting overrun.  The more enterprising pros are realizing the new shift to sugar dating and want to get in.

They will alhave to change their ways though - no clock watching etc i order to prosper longterm.

I think maybe one in ten POT SB's I talk to is a "pro" I hardly call that being "overrun"  

and most of these pros only advertise on the Sugar Sites and haven't found P 411, Eros, TER or even Back Page in most cases. There are of course a few "well reviewed TER providers" on SA, I have recognized a few pics as being the very same as on a few P 411 or Eros  ads, but I would say that percentage is no more 2-3% at the most.

Due to publicity and so much word-of-mouth, SA is not an underground scene anymore.  I have noticed some increase in the number of pros, but also fakers in general, which applies to both the "SBs" and "SDs".  By faker I mean anyone not intending to use the site for its intended purpose (eg, average guys with no money, silly girls who just want compliments on their profile pics, escorts, etc.).  

But as many other posters have noted, it's pretty easy to spot the pros, if you want to avoid them.  I use the advanced search feature and use some keywords that are pretty effective for screening the types of profiles I'm interested in.  Nonetheless, it is getting a bit more time consuming.  Can anyone recommend any of these other SB sites, or related?  I just started giving Tinder a go - my approach needs some work, but I'm making progress and can see the potential.

I'm in a vast market (So. Cal) both for SA and escorts. I've been around TER since 2009 and I do follow up on the local escort market for a variety of reasons but mainly to avoid those who masquerade as SBs which is NOT even that hard to figure out even if you don't play the TER sleuth game! The first tell tale sign is the amount "Substantial" for escorts (and the Pro gold diggers). Hooker math plays a very strong part in that calculus and they figure out that if for instance they charge 500 per hour then in a linear fashion, their commiserate as SB out to be a multiple factor of whatever should they decide to be more exclusive. Bah humbug!

After a full month on SA, I have only recognized about a handful of real pros from this big market. I also know from my past experiences that a large number of the local pros had tried SA but perhaps found the action too slow and too unreliable as income stream and hence they dropped out. As I had also stated before, there are also a few FBSM ladies on there and since these types do not offer FS to every john who visits them, I see nothing wrong with them wishing to establish some form of connection if wish to get intimate and also to have a side stream of funds in addition to their FBSM services.

Lastly, I think that ComputerMan (and some others) are really over analyzing this and being way too theoretical. In fact CM is becoming a de facto shill for StrikeUp or whatever! My mongering brothers, this is not really that complicated but it does need honest intentions (you must follow up and be prepared to make a deal ala an arrangement) plus some savviness and ability to manage the "game" with the ladies, call it courtship if you will. I know that it is a convoluted dating world of older men with younger women combined with the essence of some P4P, but please do not over think it by trying to play detective work all the time! If you are not getting ANY bites at all, the notion that they are all pros is very wrong and in fact this only proves the opposite!!! Either up your game or just stick to the real Pros who merely need you to pass their screening requirements.  

Good luck.

I would never do it because I am over 50 YO now and with grown up kids in the area plus people who may or will recognize me, I will just forego the potential (meager) rewards for the high risks involved! Plus, on Tinder I can only imagine that I will have to interact with lots of women around my own age group and the allure of "free" p*ssy is not that strong for me to succumb to that notion!

You happen to be in a better age group (purportedly mid 40's?) so I think that you ought to try it if none of the above trepidations apply to you and then report back in here in case some other mongers should be interested in that which i deem as the Millennials game!

As most hookers on the other boards will agree, getting $500 hr or even a quarter of that kind of rate over an extended period of time is just VERY unlikely to happen for a girl on SA. Not when the "going rate" is somewhere between $300-500 for an EXTENDED date of several hours up to overnight and their are literally hundreds of women competing for those dates.

Yes, the "unicorn" SD's exist, just like the unicorn SB's exist, but I am willing to be there are a LOT more unicorn SB's than there are unicorn SD's and THAT is why there aren't more pros on the site. I mean why would a hooker who can keep her dance card full at $300-500 an HOUR want to settle for $300-500 for an entire evening? It just makes no economic sense for an actual hooker who knows how to market herself via EROS, P 411, TER et al.

and yes, the Sugar Bowl is a LOT more work than the TER or P 411 world and quite frankly that is why I still see hookers once a week or so, just to get an easy lay on my own terms without having to do any "wooing", but the Sugar Bowl is a LOT of fun as well, or at least it is for those of us with both the time and the skill set to play the game. It's really no more expensive than civvy dating when you put a pencil to it, and you can automatically screen out all of the "age appropriate" and fat women that you run into in the civvie world, it also screens out women who won't go out with an "old guy" as those women are not going to respond to you in the first place. So if you play the game right, you should not only "score" but score with women you want to score with at least fifty percent of the dates you actually go on. I like those odds.

but I really am worried about the dozens of "age appropriate" women that are likely to respond to me.

I have ZERO interest even in a 40 year old, much less any woman even close to my own age of 57. I can get all the 40-50 year old women I could ever want by going to any bar where they hang out, why would I troll for them on the internet. My "sweet spot" for women is now about 25-33, I will go as low as 18 and as high as perhaps 35, especially if she is Asian, but it's a rare woman over age 35 that could turn my head.

I do remember at age 45 or so I had a lot of women in their mid thirties chasing me. I can only imagine that at age 57 I would probably appeal to the mid forties crowd of women today, NO THANK YOU!!!

We all know the old adage that "life ain't fair"! I also know that some hookers troll this sub forum and I am going to say a few blunt statements hoping that the younger hookers visiting in stealth mode take something valuable from this post!

While women have a tremendous advantage over men in the sexual market while in their early youth from say 18 (or lower where legal) to 25, the inverse of the hyperbolic graph where the SMV rises rapidly within those said age ranges and then gently plateaus (wish I could draw it on here) mirrors when they hit their 40's and it decelerates as fast before it settles down in their say mid 40's to 50's before it goes to almost none existent as they reach their 60's. Of course there are exceptions to the rules but we have already discussed Unicorns on here plenty of times.

However the good news is that if a woman is smart, applies herself and develops a solid career path or saves enough $ and applies herself as a budding entrepreneur, her earning and net worth potential actually increases when the SMV decreases. There is nothing wrong with being financially independent, taking a criuse and reading a book while on your vacay plus banging the young pool boy because you can also afford a male SB!

As to address GaGa, I'm not on SA for free p*ssy. I reckon that I have maybe 3-5 more years left in me before I want to perhaps move on and do other things than chasing youngins wearing SB skirts! So I do pay to play in S-Bowl but I mostly discuss and manage the terms and once in a while, I may even dictate the terms. I have learned to ignore and avoid over 35 YOs who come with a tremendous amount of baggage and jadedness. If they're on SA to placate to their fragile egos by playing the b*tch game behind their computer screens, there are plenty of other SD suckers who will lap up all their sh*t and ask for some more. But that will not happen to this Princess

I don't recall saying anything on that subject.

As to your point about "SMV" one only has to go to any old folks home to see the truth in what you say. It's rare for the old men to be chasing after any of the old broads in the old folks home, but it's quite common to see these old birds chasing the men.

It's also very common to see men start becoming the prey when women start getting into their 30's and 40's, I started noticing that when I was in my forties living in Atlanta, A LOT of mid 30's to early 40's women started chasing me. It took a while to get used to because in my twenties and thirties I always had to do the chasing. and of course I still do where it comes to the young hotties. Except for hookers, young hotties are always the pursued and not the pursuers.

But seriously, you're the only one in here today!

I should be addressing this issue to SftD, no?

Zangari, come out, come out, where ever you are!

and I have been off the board for several hours with my latest SB, well not the "latest" one, but the one I met Saturday night. My latest one I met on Sunday.

It wasn't "free" pussy, but I took her shopping, to dinner and then gave her some spending money after we spent about seven hours together, probably four of those hours in bed, I totaled up what I spent, and it was less than three hundred bucks.  

Shopping, for clothes no less, was about a hundred and fifty bucks, we had hamburgers for dinner at Chilli's, including a beer and a glass of wine that I had that was about forty bucks, and I gave her a hundred bucks for "pocket money when I dropped her off. Damn, I was going to swear off the 18 year olds, after these last two I've met over the last few days, I can't bring myself to get rid of either of them.

I don't worry too much about pro or not. Just look at is what I'm getting worth the money. I'm not as hung up on wether she is in her 30's, 40's, or maybe 50's (I'm 52-so I'm ok with a 50 yo). I'm starting to come around on the 20's but I'm just not there yet. I haven't found any 20's that are ok with my age/approach, which I think supports your logic that they're not pros. Pros wouldn't care.

Been on 3 dates this week. 1) definitely a pro but who cares. She has a hot little body and is in her 30's, 2) older in her 40's. Seasoned SB. Yoga instructor great shape. Willing to be on call. 3) fucking disaster date. Older, my age. Would have been willing to do but she brought up politics as we were talking over dinner. Never talk politics when you think you want me to fuck you. Ruined the whole date. Maybe she wanted to end the date and saw that as her op. Who knows, ugh. I have #4 tonight. We will see how that one goes. I maybe calling #2 to make a morning visit if this one crashes and burns like last night's.