Met this gorgeous 18 year old out for Sushi today and had a great time. Really into yoga and now apparently pole dancing. Talked about a potential arrangement and she was talking about taking the sex slow as she is transforming her body body as she lost a lot of weight, which was a bit of a downfall. Still looked great though. She said she knows sex is part of the deal.

Met her after she was taking a pole class. Not the dirty kind at all. Definitely not a stripper. During the date she brought up dancing for me when she gets good at pole dancing

She didn't seem as costly as I thought originally. Definitely like the approach of not giving a set amount at the start. She asked for some money to help her pay for a pole to put into her house and some pole dancing shoes. Said that would cover a month worth of meetings, which is only about $460 tops. Would like to meet 2-3 times a week.

If only I had a place for her to come over to... Don't expect her to drive about a an hour or so to come to my place. Seems I may have lucked into a good one if she is willing to get intimate sometime soon. Pole dancing hopefully will be a good benefit for me!

NO INTIMACY = NO ALLOWANCE PERIOD!

I don't care if she needs money to buy a pole, become a Pole or to travel to one of the Poles!!!

Gentleman, this is SA and not FOOQUING Hookerland! You determine and present the terms. Trust me, you don't need to become desperate and take the first avail SB! Sometimes it takes time and patience is required.

I have made all these mistakes in the same exact manner so I've seen all these stories in one form or other. If she wants to take it slow with "sex" is no problem so long as you sync opening up your wallet with the same slow pace

I made it clear that intimacy would be expected. Seemed to kind of chilled out after that. I'll give it a week to see her reaction.

I agree completely. Let's not kid ourselves, the majority of the woman on SA know what the deal is - and if they can get money out of your pocket without putting out, I would guess most will do that. My sense is the ideal SB's are the ones who look at this as a way to make money and maybe they also like NSA sex with a variety of people...sound familiar to anyone on this forum??

In my business, I negotiate a lot of deals, so that has been helpful for me in this arena. Bottom line is, the key to good negotiating is you have to be willing to walk away - ie: lose. There are more fish in this barrel and I am finding that patience is important. Always try to think with your bigger brain! Good luck, I hope it works out, but I would not bet the ranch on it.

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I second or third the Princess (pun intended) here:

NO INTIMACY = NO ALLOWANCE PERIOD!  

And if you want to find out what happens when things go slow paces and guys go all romantic on SBs then read my thread!

Ended up with her texting me back about getting together Wednesday. I offered 400 for initial allowance. She asks for 500. I told her it's not what I'm looking for now, and just got a reply "That's fine. I'm worth more then that anyways." Going to leave it at that. I was interested in her, but a bit too skinny for my tastes and don't feel 500 is justified. Especially when hotel would have to be involved.

I'm playing with three SBs right now ages 19-22.  All three of them are hugely enthusiastic about sex.  They love getting fucked and if they can make money at the same time think it's a win/win for themselves.  Works for me!

Time and patience is what will work in the long run.  There are a lot of time wasters that will communicate but not hook up.  In my market there's about 20 new candidates coming online each day.  I've had a few decent hook ups with my sugars but have not met my unicorn

Yes, yes, yes, this is P4P, not P4 friend. I ask everyone if they are okay with me being married, saying I am loyally and happily married, will give more details if they like when we meet. A few go away then, which is okay. When we meet I explain my marriage has been sexless for a long time, with a little explanation of why and how I still love her, etc. All true. And how this has lead me into NSA relationships.

I did this to be open, but it also turns out to be a very nice way to be crystal clear that I am here for sex without saying it directly. I also explain how I have become friends with my long time regulars (not saying they were providers), so it is not just a message about sex. The real SBs, ones who have had SDs before, get it. And if they are hoping for a rich old guy who just wants a dinner companion, they understand I am not that guy.

So sex is on the table. And for me, there is no arrangement at all until I know the sex is going to be good. Up to that point, no matter how much I like her, it is just some random social time with a pretty, young girl. And if the sex is really good, if the girl is clearly into it, I will put up with a less pretty, less interesting, woman. The opposite being true, too - if the sex sucks, no matter how wonderful she is in public, it is not going to work for me. One thing I learned from providers that absolutely applies here is that this game is not about changing anyone. Find someone who likes what I like and then enjoy it for as long as the ride lasts.

Of course, my SB9(s) are pretty, fun and into sex. I am looking for the whole package. Just saying that I will stay in touch with a great fuck who is not a great looker or conversationalist, but I will not stay in touch with a great looking conversationalist who is a lousy fuck, or does not want to fuck at all. And, like the others have said, there is no arrangement and no real $$s (I would throw someone 50 for a meet, I guess, tho I have not done that yet) until we fuck. I may have just lost one lady who is taking it slow with me because I did not throw her any $$s for a dinner and some making out. At least she has gone quiet with me after that. I like her so that is too bad, but I won't worry about it too much.

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