LG, here's the closest I could find, in answer to your question:
"As to giving an 18-20 year old advice, well, it truly depends on the person in front of me. Some women should NEVER work as providers, no matter what their age. What I have advised a young girl who previously posted here about stripping, is to be sure to go to college and not make stripping her full-time career. I would probably say the same thing to someone 18-20 who wanted to have sex with strangers for a full-time living. Since someone 18 is legally free to make his/her decision [and boy, does s/he EVER want to, IMHO,] it's useless to preach or be negative. Instead, a more useful idea would be to reinforce the message about education and its permanent benefits.
Now, we all have heard about college students who work as sensual massage technicians or even providers on the side. My take on it is that as long as they have good grades and are able to graduate, who am I to interfere? They are exercising their free will and are using their time in school toward their intended goal. What I find most dreadful is when young women, for whatever reason, perceive themselves as having "no choice" and then get into the sex industry for purely financial reasons. This is when I try to dissuade the person and try to help the person find healthy alternatives. One should never engage in any moneymaking activity - particularly not something so emotionally demanding as being a sex worker - without a strong psyche, a healthy self-image and a way out, in case reality does not end up matching with one's fantasy.
Now, a minority of females, even young ones, are able to engage in prostitution without discernible negative effects. Others become damaged from the experience and suffer all sorts of consequences. So again, it does depend on who does the asking.
Hope that answers your question,
the Love Goddess"
As a brief further comment, I'd agree that there are women between 18-24 who can excel in all aspects of providing, but I also agree with "situatinal ethics," and I think you do too, i.e. it depends on the provider and the situation. For me, I'm uncomfortable with someone under 24 no matter how assured, enthusiastic mature-seeming she might be. That's not necessarily exploitation, but obviously there's a greater chance of being with someone who is emotionally immature and has accompaning "issues" thatn with an experienced 28 year old, or older. So I try very hard not to seek out someone who is in that age range. If it happens, well, why not relax and enjoy it?
Was wondering what the LG might think about the use of very young, yet legal aged, providers? I'm talking primarily about those that advertise themselves as being 18 or 19. As a fairly inexperienced and new hobbyist, I have shyed away from them because it just seems wierd and maybe kind of wrong. The youngest I have used was 27. But there are a few 18-19 year olds who I am thinking about giving a try, because they are so incredibly hot. Am I being overly moralistic here?
Also I was wondering what other hobbyist and other providers' view points were on the 18-19 year old provider.
I don't think it is worth the risk because what if she is lying or has a pimp you never know. I think it is safe to go a little older. But it is just a womanly opinion
if things go to hell, the cops get involved, and she was really only 17? Or YOUNGER?
Moralistically, that one gets complicated, doesn't it? On the one hand, its safe to assume that her 'virginity' is a thing of the long past and that she already has quite a history to be working at her age. On the other, I wouldn't feel that great about it. Long ago I did some young providers in Massage Parlors and even as a much younger man, felt a little bad about it for a bit. But I certainly didn't put those girls there.
From my point of view strictly sexually, younger women don't turn me on as a rule. I prefer a mature adult who knows what she is doing.
MVR
Dear mikeDFW,
I think we have to see it from the providers' point of view. If someone feels she is mature enough to make her own decision to work in the sex industry, who are we to "moralize?" What is less moral about having intercourse with someone 18 who is young and energetic and who enjoys her work and has the stamina for it, than using the services of a 55 year old woman who has to stress over competing with younger women, worry about wrinkles, plastic surgery and covering up physical "imperfections" just because she, for whatever reason, needs and wants to make money? What is more "moral?" Can this issue even be quantified along those lines?
I think we need to be careful about remembering the phenomenological aspect of providing and what it means to each and every sex worker. To some, it means loads of fun, freedom and a lucrative lifestyle, no matter what the age. To others, it's just another job. And to a minority [let's hope], it's another day of hell...and that hell can reside just as much in a middle-aged woman's brain as it can in someone under 21.
To each participant his/her own,
the Love Goddess
LG -- I distinctly remember a response from you about a year or so ago, when you said that age 24 would probably be the youngest appropriate age for a full time provider, simply because, while they might be sexual amazons, they were probably not mature or experienced enough to handle the emotional and other demands of the business. Have you changed your mind? Your latest post makes sense, but as an older guy I am uncomfortable with anyone under what I think is 24 and follow those guidelines strictly, however tempted I might be. That's my problem, not theirs, probably, but I think your first post was more appropriate. There is such a thing as exploitation in this business, and I'm not going there if I can possibly help it, even if the exploitee is well paid for her services. I hope I'm clear on this, because I think it's important.
Dear CharliesItch,
In this case, your distinct memory may be fooling you. I have searched through my postings very carefully since the inception of this board, and nowhere have I stated the number 24 as an age limit. In addition, it does not seem quite my m.o. to use an exact number. However, nothing is impossible; if you find this posting then please direct us all to it.
Now, there is a big difference between my assessment of the average 18-year-old perhaps not being able to handle "the emotional and other demands of the business," and the answer to the dilemma of who it is more "moral" to engage with sexually. The two answers are addressing different issues. The original poster asks if it is less moral to engage sexually with someone of legal age, albeit very young, than someone in a higher age bracket. This is different from assessing the age at which a provider may best be able to handle the demands of the business.
If you wish to ask about exploitation, this is yet another topic. I am more than willing to answer all sorts of questions, but I do attempt to keep it to the original poster's query.
Hope that clarifies it,
the Love Goddess
LG, here's the closest I could find, in answer to your question:
"As to giving an 18-20 year old advice, well, it truly depends on the person in front of me. Some women should NEVER work as providers, no matter what their age. What I have advised a young girl who previously posted here about stripping, is to be sure to go to college and not make stripping her full-time career. I would probably say the same thing to someone 18-20 who wanted to have sex with strangers for a full-time living. Since someone 18 is legally free to make his/her decision [and boy, does s/he EVER want to, IMHO,] it's useless to preach or be negative. Instead, a more useful idea would be to reinforce the message about education and its permanent benefits.
Now, we all have heard about college students who work as sensual massage technicians or even providers on the side. My take on it is that as long as they have good grades and are able to graduate, who am I to interfere? They are exercising their free will and are using their time in school toward their intended goal. What I find most dreadful is when young women, for whatever reason, perceive themselves as having "no choice" and then get into the sex industry for purely financial reasons. This is when I try to dissuade the person and try to help the person find healthy alternatives. One should never engage in any moneymaking activity - particularly not something so emotionally demanding as being a sex worker - without a strong psyche, a healthy self-image and a way out, in case reality does not end up matching with one's fantasy.
Now, a minority of females, even young ones, are able to engage in prostitution without discernible negative effects. Others become damaged from the experience and suffer all sorts of consequences. So again, it does depend on who does the asking.
Hope that answers your question,
the Love Goddess"
As a brief further comment, I'd agree that there are women between 18-24 who can excel in all aspects of providing, but I also agree with "situatinal ethics," and I think you do too, i.e. it depends on the provider and the situation. For me, I'm uncomfortable with someone under 24 no matter how assured, enthusiastic mature-seeming she might be. That's not necessarily exploitation, but obviously there's a greater chance of being with someone who is emotionally immature and has accompaning "issues" thatn with an experienced 28 year old, or older. So I try very hard not to seek out someone who is in that age range. If it happens, well, why not relax and enjoy it?
Much of the time they are lying about there age.
Yes, I have come to learn to add 5 years (sometimes more) to whatever age the provider lists. IMHO it is ridiculous what some of these women claim. An obviously worn out, late-thirties lady claims she is 25, I have seen it time and time again.
I think women who look worn out are not watching what they are doing to their bodies. Its not about the trade. I see women in their 40's and 50's who look fabulous. Alot of ladies smoke and drink alcohol. That will put age on a person regardless of the profession their in. Paying close attention to keeping in shape and eating healthy keeps you from looking worn out....Just a thought
This is an issue that would receive a more thorough vetting if the sex industry was decriminalized. The issues whether the provider is indeed mature enough to make an informed decision about what she's doing, and the perceived dangers of a provider in fact being underage would largely dissolve if providing were legal, "mainstreamed," and perceived as a legitimate profession.
And new to this buisness. I actually am eighteen lol and I don't quite see how there would be a moral issue with seeing younger providers. We are of legal age and have not been forced into this in any way. I consider myself a rational yet sensual person and I absolutely love this. Could not ask for a better job and did tons of research and put a lot of thought into this before getting into it. True, age is linked with maturity and experience but there are exceptions to everything. If a provider enjoys her job and is good at it I don't quite see how there can be a moral issue with it. Not all young girls are dumb and naive (:
i just recently have talked with miss brooke song and fellows i have to sah she is very mature,she asounds like she has it all together,and i have to say i agree with her on all issues of being to young.,heres oe for you,im currently seeing a young lady who is 20 and her name is take a guess!!!.yes its BROOKE also.shes not as got it togther like miss brooke song but i hope she gets better,and she has awesome potential.
I probably wouldn't see an 18- or 19-year-old provider either, like a lot of people in this thread. Not that I wouldn't enjoy it, I'd definitely have sex with a civvie that age if I had the opportunity. (I'm in my mid-20's.) But from my experience, whenever I tried to schedule with a provider in the 18 to 20 range, I ended up with an NCNS. One time, she even gave me fake directions that led to a supermarket. (Was it intentional because I didn't sound "cool" enough on the phone?)
With that said, the youngest provider I ever saw was 21, and she was one of my best experiences. I'm sure that weakens my original argument, but overall, I get a lot fewer NCNS's with older providers.
My last date was with a provider who is 22 years old. I couldn't believe it when she told me. Having spent an hour talking and sharing life experiences, future goals, and philisophical musings, I would have insisted that she had to be early 30s despite her youthful appearance.
On the other hand, I had an appointment a while ago with an older provider (unreviewed by her request prior to the appointment) who talked and acted like she was a 21 year old fresh out on her own. She was 40 years old. She looked fabulous and was very energetic, but I couldn't click with her because I was distracted by her lack of maturity. Go figure.
I grant you that, all other things being equal or unknown, age might be the only way to make an estimate of the maturity of a person. But, there are so many other mitigating factors that making blanket statements such as, "All women under the age of 24 (say) should not be in the business" is way too simplistic.
and she is very centered and level headed.
She can also still pass for 18.
Yep, that's right! 68! I have to agree with posts that say a young (or mature) provider can have problems. However, I've known level-headed, hot 18-19 yo providers who I've seen for years (and lunatic providers in their 30s and 40s). Btw, the 68 yo was pretty freakin' hot!!
I can't judge anyone regarding their choice to provide, even if they are 18-19. I am concerned about whether the woman I've arranged a date with is there on her own free will. So, to increase the likelihood of that being the case, I prefer to see women, at a minimum, a bit older than 18-19, and are independent.
I prefer girls in their mid 20s. That is the best fit. Just a personal opinion.
I have 2 daughters (ages 19 and 21) both in college. Both are smart and relatively well-grounded. I have met a number of their sorority friends who are also relatively well-grounded. I use the word "relatively" knowing they are in college going to frat parties -well you know what I mean. I just don't believe any girl that young can handle the emotional aspects of sex for money with a man who is 40, 50, or 60 years of age.
I have a minimum provider age limit of 35. That is my choice, but I could never fathom having sex with a girl 18-20 or a bit older knowing that girl has a dad who would go absolutely ape shit if they found out what they were doing.
Maybe we need to employ the NBA rule. Kids can't jump to the NBA out of high school due to the perceived lack of maturity. I preferred the old days of a kid waiting 4 years before being drafted. I know you can't do this in this profession, but to all the dads out there, I hope you understand my view.
This question comes up on the ATPS (Attituted to Prostitution Scale), administered to men who have chosen to participate in diversion programs in lieu of conviction for soliciting a [female] prostitute. A wide majority of men consistently answer that they would mind, very much in fact. They call it "cognitive dissonance" - male clients of prostitutes who approve of prostitution in general but who would never approve of their daughters being prostitutes in particular, regardless of the age.
Just thought it "neat" to insert that research tidbit here,
the Love Goddess
And yes I agree with cognitive dissonance, or as I call it "not in my house". Nevertheless, I would like to think I would be a bit more understanding if my daughter was 35 and providing vs 18 and providing. I just don't generally think an 18 year old is mature enough to understand the implications. Hang out at a sorority and you will know what I mean.
P.S. I think I am going to raise my minimum age requirement to 45.
The youngest provider that I've seen was 19 and I was pretty sure that was her actual age. Even though she was younger than my own daughters, it didn't bother me much. Since I never had any kind of sexual contact with someone in her teens, I really wanted the experience. Besides, I find teen women to be the most beautiful, physically.