Since getting back into the hunt, I'm realizing how spoiled I was up to now, with some great SBs at a PPM of around $400-500. In the current environment, I'm increasingly seeing demands of $800-1k in my area.

My initial reaction  is to say, 'no way, good luck' and view this as not for me. But when I stop and think, I can say to myself, maybe I CAN afford this, when I calculate out my savings against my life expectancy (and more important, my sugaring expectancy).  

Part of my reasoning comes from the fact that I struggled economically for a long time and had to scrimp and save to get to retirement. I always felt it was outrageous to pay $4 for a bottle of water at the airport or $100k for a car, for example.

You might say to yourself, this is just the price of pussy now and bite the bullet.  

On the other hand, I have the sense (and have seen a bit of anecdotal evidence) that the gals who are demanding $1k PPM are not really interested in us old guys, and they are just holding their noses and doing it because it's lucrative. And it's certainly possible they are responding more on the apps because it takes a long time to find a guy willing to pay that much. My SBs have always been enthusiastic and really enjoyed our relationships.  

I'm not asking for validation of one path or another, but interested in hearing other thoughts about this. Especially hearing about experiences with the high-end SBs and whether you felt it was worth it.

Ok, this is like predicting the weather from a dark room with no windows or devices that can access data.  

 
There are countless variables that affect prices, or more accurately, what a given SB will accept.  

 
-Her current financial situation
-Her desired outcomes from sugaring
-Her looks and demeanor (which are subjective)
-The geo-market forces:  
-- competition with other POT's ,  
-- local cost of living,  
-- local SD population and budgets
-- other income opportunities  
-Personal values about casual sex, (I've had SB's who were lesbians, some with committed GFs)
-Personal level of attraction to older guys
-Influence from social media  
-Influence from friends and family
And more.  

 
I can tell you after almost 20 years in the game, there is no single, reliable predictor of what an allowance should be, other than your budget.  All the variables above are beyond your control. So I suggest you well, not ignore them, but use them to help inform your negotiation process rather than trying to overcome them.  

 
I get the path you followed to get where you are. It's similar to mine, where I was 30-days away from filing for bankruptcy before I flipped my destiny and found my path to comfort. I learned that no matter how well you are doing, it's best to live beneath your means. There is no need to buy a $4 million house when a $800k house will do. And for me, there is no need to pay $800-$1k + for pussy when I can get enthusiastically laid for $300-$500.  The only time I wander over those numbers are for a few porn stars, and once or twice for an undeniable 10 that I knew would be a one-time BCD.  

 
Patience is your best tool to find SB's at the allowance you feel comfortable paying.  For all the social-media-inflated GPS out there, my 2 top A-List SB's are getting $300 and $350. And I'm in Los Angeles. I still encounter POT's who ask for $1k minimum and won't even consider BB for less than $2k.  They may even find SD's (ok they are SIMPs, not SD's) who pay that.  But I will never spend over my carefully planned budget. I will never let an SB damage my financial security!  Because then I won't be able to afford ANY pussy. :p  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

Many girls ask for that expecting to get low balled.  I usually say, "sorry, I don't start that high.  4-500 which depends on how long we spend together is where I'm at ".  Many are ok with that.

Plenty of girls say no, demanding more.  The reality is, they are not getting it consistently.  I forgot how many times I've heard "my last SD gave me xxxx and there wasn't even sex.". My reply, " you should go back to him.". Response is always "he moved" or "he got married" or "his wife found out".  Basically, a bullshit line to make it sound like she's hot shit.  

Last girl I saw a few times who expected 1k but settled, because I'm a nice guy, is a complete flake.  She only texts when she's behind on bills.  Promises to be more consistent, then only reaches out hoping to see me same day.  

My point is, plenty of hot girls out there.  Find the ones right for you and your budget.  If you build consistency great her will with gifts or more money.  Show her you appreciate how she's been with you.  I have my SB a raise recently.  She didn't expect it.  I said I really appreciated how she's been there for me emotionally through some stuff and a consistent girlfriend.  She doubled the date length.

I get asked for lots of money frequently.  By that I mean 600-1000 requests and even more.  Quite often they are from girls who are new to the bowl and have drunk the online koolaid about how easy it is to get tons of $ from desperate old men.  I often will offer much lower amounts that fit my budget, just to see what happens.  And I've occassionally been pleasantly surprised when they agree to my offer.  But usually they vanish when they understand I'm not going to give them what they ask for.  

 
I have a wonderful rotation right now.  My regular #1 who is super slim and pretty.  She gets 300.  My younger returnee is just 23 and honestly does not seem to care about the $.  She says I always make her feel great.  When I asked her about allowance she just said give me whatever you want.  I give her 200 and she's happy.  (an hour long nonstop rolling O probably contributes to her happiness!).  I have 2 others I see occasionally who also get 200, and one special cutie I give 400.  All of these women are in the bowl for the fun, for the experience and the relationship, and yes, for the sex with an older guy.  The modest amounts of money I give them are proof that they have more priorities than just $.  For them, the $ is just a bonus,  it's icing on the cake they enjoy a lot.  Girls like that are out there, although finding them can be a challenge.

Where you're exclusive and you pay an allowance weekly, say on the seventh, 14th, 21st & 28th, get together once or twice a week and an occasional weekend getaway? I had a great one for a couple years until it wasn't great anymore.

I've had that a couple of times.  My last one blew up in a nuclear fireball last summer.  I ended up filing a restraining order against her because she wouldn't stop calling and texting in the middle of the night with pics of the guy she was cheating with.  Sad really, I gave her an apartment, helped with her business, and an allowance.  She's literally lost everything in a year and had to move back home.  She tossed it all away because supposedly the other guy was rich, he wasn't.

My current SB and I are fine with ppm.  She's a great girlfriend.  We have not talked moving to monthly because I've been burned a few times by it when it ends.  But we are taking trips, talking regularly, weekly dates, great sex.

Hugh, if that's your idea of an Old School sugar arrangement, more power to you!  Sounds like you had something great.  And quite rare.  I've been on this board sharing ideas and experiences with the guys here for quite a few years.  And I think your "Old School" arrangement is rare.  Seems like most guys here are seeking multiple arrangements concurrently, with PYTs who are happy to accept a gift-per-visit financial arrangement.  Some guys do insist that she is exclusive to them, but many of us guys don't care if she's seeing others.  Or actually prefer it.  I, for one, like knowing she's not relying on me for 100% of her needs.  Those who have tried weekly or monthly allowances have generally reported problems with that kind of arrangement.  Otoh, I think there's still a widespread perception among the women on seeking that they are going to find that sort of allowance model.  If you find one, just be sure she lives up to her end of the bargain after you give her the money!

I suppose I have a modified version of that.

To clarify, I think I pay about 2x the lower-rates in my area, but I do not do so on an exact schedule, but generally more ppm and then on an irregular basis depending on how I perceive each of the SB needs and wants.  While I don't insist, they have to maintain weekly contact with me to even be considered for a non-ppm support.

My relationships tend to be 100% exclusive [from the SB end, not mine] and yes, I pay accordingly.

It tends to "buy" me some privileges and safety STD-wise, as I do test several times a year and have never gotten a positive result.

I know many of the guys on here are on a budget, but I am not...just been lucky, stock market-wise and really have more dollars than things to buy that make me happy.

Pussy makes me happy!   lol

Do you feel you’re getting a better experience with the high-dollar girls?
My assumption is that it’s different from the escort world and that average Subs may be more into the experience and the GPS girls are more interested in purses and shoes. But I don’t have a lot of experience in this bracket.

I would venture to say the "experience" is cost independent and up to the chemistry you develop with the SB.

The quality of SB "flesh" [sorry, couldn't think of a better term] definitely is related to the dineros paid.  Yeah, and i know others will whine how they got great pussy for 300 dollars....LOL

This site seems to be in a race to the bottom: guys appear really proud they can fuck 20s somethings for some low ball number.  I'm more proud I can do it for an upper end number...so there!

And of course, the young studs on here really can get hot girls for the lower numbers...as our great orator [the Cat} has stated, we older guys often have to  pay more and are equally presented with lesser numbers to choose from.

Me, I like to fuck young, tight pussy, but equally I like to make gobs of money.  I go for the upper end girls because I can outbid the competition and that gives me drastically more time to make money!  Both of which make me very happy.

Thanks for the reply. All viewpoints are appreciated.
I'm probably somewhere in the middle. I never had a $300 SB, but I am realizing I need to up my game to get the better ones.
Still.. for the price some of these gals are asking, you could fuck Sky Pierce (seriously) or almost any other porn star.
What's important to me is that in addition to physical characteristics, the girl should have a level of enthusiasm and interest in this lifestyle.. and I don't know whether that correlates to price or not.

I can find little correlation between price and physical performance.  

 
That excludes her "looks" of course, and the likelihood that the hotter she looks to you, the better your experience will be. While it's easy to see that her looks will directly impact your "horny-ness" it's not linear, it's subjective. Over my decades of paid pussy across 34 countries, I can objectively say that some 10's can be a lousy fuck, and some 6's can be amazing. In the same vein (pun intended) price is not a predictor of her sexual skills either.  

 
I have banged some porn stars. hookers, strippers, and SB's for as much as $2,000 who ended up being a starfish. And some women for as little as $350 (even less than $100 in SE Asia) that were absolute submissive nymphos who would fuck me until I fell asleep, then wake me up to fuck some more.  

 
Having said that, the best predictor I have found (other than the 1st BCD) is the, for lack of a better term. chemistry, which is completely subjective. So rely on your Spidey Senses and carefully evaluate the non-verbal cues she throws around; body language, response times, eye contact, even word choice.  It's my recommendation to express an interest early in her life beyond her need for cash and willingness to suck a 60+-year old dick.  

 
What are her long-term goals and interests, how does she approach problem solving, especially under stress, what does she do for fun buy herself and with friends? Yes, it's all sort of blah, blah, blah when your hard-on is trying to close the deal. But "thar's gold in them thar answers!" All of this info, boring as it may look, will help you understand her motivations and "adulting" skills.  And that will translate into your BCD times one way or another.  

 
Ok - no. I don't do a 2-hour interview of hookers. I just negotiate activities and price. But when I expect a longer-term relationship could develop (i.e: I've had 2 escort porn stars that transitioned in SB's for well below their escort rate), I spend more time between BCD's chatting and sharing.  

 

Did I answer your question? I'm not sure. But I hope the above is useful, nonetheless.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

Superb answer, HerbtCat, you're my hero...

Cat...you need to get your shit together and gather up some of your responses on this forum into a dedicated blog or better yet, a book about those "46 years."

I'd pay money to read it!

I want tight / taut skin no flab or pear shaped near ass

I want b or c cups natural and firm if they are fake it better be a great boob job

I want proper thigh gap  

I want at least 5 4  

I want her to smell fresh and decent not stink down there  

I want her face to be ok (don’t need perfection here)  

And I can tell you in LA / OC , you are not going to get that for under 500 bucks a date it’s just reality  

Yes performance in bed matters, but my dick ain’t getting hard for anyone ugly or smelling bad — that’s the bottom line  

I can fix performance in bed, I can’t fix ugly  

That’s my 2 cents

You could become a TikTok 'influencer,' as a counter to the idiots doing it now.

Agree with Herb, no relationship between them. Had a $200 SB, hot as fuck in bed and had a $1000 SB who was hot to look at but average in bed. In fact there may be an inverse correlation to some extent. (GPS?)

Of all the apps I use just so I can communicate with POT pussy, TikTok is not one of them.  

 
TikTok is the modern-day equivalent of Facebook cat lady videos from 15 years ago; useless and full of unobtainable pussy (cats).  

 
But thanks for the suggestion. The thought of trying to grow a TikTok channel with sugar counter-programming until it's big enough to monetize just makes me laugh - until my next SB walks in my front door.... to fuck... and suck... and you get the idea.  

 
Now I have to finish washing the - ahem! - stains out of my bedsheets from yesterday's session with a 23-year-old AA spinner.   She spontaneously decided to call me Papi just before I made her stop talking with her mouth full.  Because...

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

I think there's some truth to that idea.  I am currently dating a lovely 23 yo who simply LOVES to fuck! She starts cumming as soon as my tongue hits her pussy and keeps cumming the entire time I'm fucking her.  And she drives an hour to get to my house for the privilege of me fucking her brains out.  Go figure!   When I asked her about allowance expectations she just said, give me whatever you want!  I give her 200 and she keeps cumming back. Sometimes the hottest SBs are also the least expensive.  

I don't often repeat myself on this board...but you are totally wrong.

 
As the CEO of my ex-company, my main attribute was I recognized talent.

 
You have it, in spades ...what you do in between wiping cum off your stuff is up to you.   LOL

 
EOM

They all start with that where we are.  You can cut that by half, or more, simply by saying “I am looking to meet more often, and I can do xxx if available on [day of week]”.  Almost all will accept or counter with something more reasonable.    

Specifying consistency and the exact meeting day seems to increase the odds of acceptance.