You gents inspired me to dip in the sugar pool. It's like the wild west out there rangling wild horses. I put my fishing pole out and got a live one now need help reeling in. How is best way to set up a hotel for her if you don't want to put under your name and don't know hers? I didn't ask her PPM yet she just said she needed sugar for gas and pills. What is best way to approach? Appreciate the advice from expert wranglers!

Hi Nucky, welcome to the sugar bowl.  Your inquiry makes me wonder about several things.  Why are you setting up a hotel for her?  Is she traveling to your city?  Seems premature if you don't know her name yet and have not discussed her allowance.  One protocol I always insist on is an exchange of IDs.  I need to know she's over 18 (yeah, I tend to fish in the shallow end of the pool) and she deserves to : A: know my identity, B: take a pic of my ID, 3: text the pic to her back up person, and 4: have that person send out a search party if she goes missing.   When I suggest this to the newbs I'm meeting they all LOVE how much I'm trying to ensure their safety.

Hi,

She is driving from out of town about 2.5 hrs. I want bcd time so it made sense for me to cover lodging. As for IDs I would rather not provide mine (she doesn't know my name either). I don't fish in the shallow end so not concern there. Thanks learning how to swim in this pool feel like a monger out of water!

I'm really only interested in bcd time and wouldn't sugar anything else. She said when would you like to bring me? I said give me a few days to set up lodging. Then I said I would like to meet a few hours m&g bcd time. She said ok that's fine I need you to send for gas and pills. I figure $50 advance for gas + 1 night lodging. I was waiting for her ask on PPM because I think I read that on another post. Thanks y'all!

Good luck to you and hope it works out. Just be aware that her idea for sugar for gas etc. may be wildly different from yours. What are you going to do if she asks for 4 figures?

4 figures = take a pass and call one of my regular mongers. Good point guess I'll just ask her PPM.

I've also had some experiences where the SB wanted to go directly from coffee to BCD, or dispense with the coffee m&g entirely and just go BCD directly.  But those have been rare exceptions, and like Riley said, some have been bizarre.  I'd rather meet the girl first and feel the vibe.  So, agreeing to have her drive 2.5 hours and get you to pay for a room really ups the ante in a way that would make me uncomfortable.  In fact I have never done it that way. Too many red flags, too much chance for things to go sideways.  But damn, Nucky, I admire your willingness to give it a try.  Let us know if it works out for you!

I guess I am used to the FnG monger system and not used to the finesse game. Also I am reading how the SB is approaching and she has been pretty direct. I guess I figure worst case I am out 50 for gas + 125 for a room and I bounce if things go sideways lesson learned. Nothing ventured nothing gained. I try not to risk more than willing to lose. I have had a very successful run on the mongering side.

My take on this one is pretty extreme: it’s a scam. First $50 and then cancels but next week for sure... then she needs a bit more $$ ...

Thanks for the input. The game has taught me if it seems tgtbt it probably is. But sometimes you get lucky too! Currently seeing a pro whose rate is on the low side but pics were 100% spot on and chemistry off the charts. But my radar definitely up on this one....she gave up bcd pretty easy and waited for me to ask ppm. I asked how much upfront for gas and ppm and she said....50 for that and what are you offering ppm? I said 300-400 2-3hr m&g with some bcd. Also set her up in nice hotel for night....still waiting for response.

There are literally hundreds of posts here that will explain why you deserve to lose that $150.  
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There are many rules in the sugar bowl and you can study all of them by spending a few hours reading this forum.  
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But the 1st two inviolate rules are:  
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1. Don't treat a Sugar Baby like a hooker (unless she tells you she is a hooker), and  
2. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER send a fucking penny in advance. NEVER!!!
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Please go back into the past posts and after you have educated yourself, you can try asking questions again.  
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The Cat

Appreciate you setting me straight. I'll be the first to admit I am out of my element. I know its apples and oranges but in the monger game there are also folks who say never send a deposit. I have done it successfully a few select times (and got burned once). But again this is a totally different playing field. Y'all got my spidy senses tingling I'm about to walk and see my regular for a guaranteed good time. Seems I need to school up more on the sugar game.

I am new to the sugar scene myself, been seeing the pros for a few years.  First I did A LOT of homework, sugar babies will play you.  Always negotiate, most start ppm higher than a giraffes ass. I met a couple for coffee and some bcd.  I have a nice one currently who agreed to $150-200 ppm, she books the room and I reimburse her for that. Just had 2nd date 4 1/2 hours bcd for a total of $250. and she thinks she owes me $50 because I ended up giving her 3 the first time.  There are a lot of scammers on the sites I have a ton that want any where from $25-$150 before we can meet for one reason or another...ignore!! and move on.    

I started just before TER went silent.  You were helpful to me, so I’ll add my two cents for the benefit of the community.  One of my first texts is “I have been paying x. If that’s acceptable, let’s arrange to meet.” Either we are on the same wavelength or we have not wasted each other‘s time.  That approach has worked well for me.

never send an unknown hooker a deposit.

Roberto I admire your approach and have used a variant of it myself in the past with good results.  But no longer.  SA's policies clearly state that discussing money as an exchange for sex is grounds for being banned from the site.  OK, so there's no direct exchange being discussed, I get that.  Nevertheless, they recommend that all conversations about money be held offsite or in person.  In the current atmosphere where SA thinks they have to be extra careful to cover their asses, discussing money makes you vulnerable.  For example, any SB who is angry with you could tell SA Admin that you offered her money for sex.  Why risk it?

I got bumped off SA for talking about money.  But only because I talked about it on the SA messaging system.   Now I go to text or email to talk about money.  Yeah, she can still claim I offered money for sex but a lot harder to prove it, since there are no records in their system and all she could offer could easily be faked.

To clarify:

She doesn't care about the PPM because most likely she doesn't plan on ever showing up, the less interested in the actual "allowance" and the more interested in the "gas money" the less likely she is to be legit.  

This is a great idea Nucky and Gambler is one of the wise sages on this board.  Give it a try.

but this has happened to me literally dozens of times. It always starts with her reaching out to me first from a distance of 100-250 miles away, being very eager, very low demands for PPM, often "whatever you think is fair" couple with a lot of flirtatious chit chat until just before we set the actual date, a request for gas money in advance.  

Excellent advice here. Even if I’m pretty sure that I have an arrangement set up, I never book the hotel for a first BCD meeting until the day of and she says she’s on her way. It costs a few dollars more, but I’ve had some ghost on me.

Wise sage advice indeed. I forced the issue and asked what she expected for gas and ppm. She said 50 for gas and what am I offering for ppm. I dont have patience for talking in circles so I said my usual is 300-400 for 2-3 hours m&g bcd. Haven't heard a peep from her in 2 days. Either she is shopping the offer or completely full of shit. I vote shit. First thing I did when she PM'd me was ask when is a good time for me to call and chat? She balked and said to text. Then I asked for her email and she balked at that too. I would think as someone who said she was willing to bcd time would at least want to talk to see if I'm normal so all that seems like b.s. I may be new to SA but I'm not new to the planet.

Her: we still meeting tomorrow?

If you haven't already done so, use Google to:  
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1. Reverse image search her SA pics. Look for any hits, especially from Instagram or Facebook. If you get a hit, take a look at the account and see if the account owner's location, name, age, timeline aligns with her SA profile or details revealed in her texts.  I always do this before I message her or respond to her 1st message.  Catshfishing is a real thing.  
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2. Search her phone number in this format:  nnn-nnn-nnn. Do not use spaces or parens. Look for escort ads, name and address hits that don't match her profile. I always do this before I text her, or respond to her 1st text.  
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Note: Getting escort ad hits is not necessarily a bad thing.  Just decide if that's the way you want to go and adjust your approach. If possible, get her advertised rates and use that in your sugar negotiations.  
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The Cat

This woman is a scammer not a hooker. No further investigation is necessary.

No, we are on the same page, though I could have been more articulate and clear in my message. This one is a definite scammer. No doubt.  
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My point was to give Nucky some clue about the critical need to vette POT's  before initiating,  or responding to,  communications.  
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He'll learn... we all do. For him, if his only loss is a measly $150 he got a valuable lesson on the cheap.  
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Just got a message from a 27-year old local brunette who wants to explore her inner need to please "Daddy"... So I'll leave Nucky to finish his Sugar 101 class on his own,  while I start my PhD thesis...  
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The Cat

The scammer didn't get a dime. Back into the monger pool for now.