I just posted a thread about how one SB said she got an $800-$1000 for meet.  I figured she was just making that up. But I just talk to someone else who wants $3000 per month for a weekly meeting. This is all driving me back to the escort world. Suddenly, $400 doesn’t seem so steep. It’s kind of like feeling that therapist prices aren’t that high after you’ve dealt with lawyers in divorce

Never agreed to 1K, but been asked several times.  600 to 800 is pretty normal in big cities.

3K is actually pretty Normal for a 9+.

Agree on going back, particularly if you factor other costs of dating.

Except for my high school girlfriend, already a successful model in high demand at 17 when she decided she couldn’t take all the pressure to take drugs and deliver sex and dropped out, I haven’t really enjoyed the company of women whose looks were 9+ (OK, there have been just a few other exceptions I’ve known - but I didn’t date them).

 
I have met a few providers whose looks were at that level. And they were lots of fun in small doses. But at some point I almost always find that “you owe me” is a much more powerful drive for them than “I love you”. This means that I always have to keep my guard up more with these girls than most others. Truly beautiful women tend to come with a good bit more baggage than most. In my experience. The pros not only cost more money, they tax any relationship they are in for more than a few minutes. To me, they are simply not worth the total cost.

 
Give me a solid 8 any day. They cost less in more ways than just money.

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Social media has played a big part in this. So many 20 somethings with tiktok accounts talking about their 1k PPM and claiming most of the time guys are willing to pay it without ever meeting. SA isn't even worth the monthly membership anymore given how many scammers and ladies with GPS are on there.

Agree $3k/month or 750 ppm weekly is real for legit 9+s… If you can get away with negotiating a stated $600 per meet rate, it becomes 750/ week with “extras.”

I agree that TikTok et al has skewed the girls' expectations in an unrealistic direction.  But not all of them!  There are still lots of reasonable hotties on SA.  It just takes longer to find them nowadays.  I'm currently seeing two 24yo SBs who are solid 8-9 and are very happy with 200ppm.  And I've got a new stunning 22yo lined up for later today at the same rate.  Plus a beautiful 36yo who I've gone bcd with once and who want to see me again soon, for 300ppm.  And yeah, I had to sift though tons of profiles to find them.  But it's so worth it!  And remember, I'm old, just 2 weeks shy of my 75th bd.  If I can do it, you can too!

Sweetman, Where are you located? The girls where I live in the Bay Area all want a ton more than that!

I'm sure the prices are higher for everything in the major urban centers.  I live in a small city which is about 60 miles away from a slightly larger city.  Most of my dating requires me to drive to the larger city.  

And I am not talking about even 9s or 10s — even an 8 or a 34y old milf in decent shape and fitness wants that much . And yes , you will have to provide for the accommodation and any meals on top. Maybe everyone wants to keep up w inflation. The good thing as everyone keeps pointing out, is while larger metro areas have higher ppm , they also have a huge supply of POTs so just by law of large numbers, at some point, you will find that person. But it is a LOT of work and time suck and mental distraction from work, to be honest. Need to find a balance.

I have found that the ladies in their 30s have higher  % of GPS.

I am sure there are some SD's around that will pay that $700-$1000 ppm.  For a POT who knows how to network at lounges and clubs (strip clubs or dance clubs), she can easily get herself invited to an after-hours party at someone's high-end home in Beverly Hills or similar.  And from what I have heard, there are more then a few middle-age couples who toss out allowance like it was off-brand candy to any 7+ who will do a three-way with them.    

 
BUT why are we always hearing about these after they end?  Because they do, in fact end.  If you can get a POT to open up about why her last $1000/week arrangement ended, you might get to see the dirt under that $1000 tip of the iceberg.  I had an SB who infrequently stripped at a local club as a side hustle. One of her stripper friends was (what I later learned) a notorious pro-athlete "take out" snack.  If the Lakers played in town, she took a shift at the team's favorite club and was 90% likely to get asked to go to some players home - if she could bring 3 to 5 dancers with her to provide all night, BB, drunken trains for the guys.  My SB went twice. And she was rewarded with $10k in cash both times.  When I asked her why she didn't dump me and do that every week, she told me she ultimately hated herself more than she loved the money. She was treated like trash, the guys were slobs, often way too rough with the women, and threw drugs around almost forcing the women to imbibe. So she decided to walk away.  (BTW: I never judged her for this. I just gave her a safe space to talk about her hopes, dreams and challenges.)  

 
I have no doubt that those POT's who credibly claim these large PPM's in the past are not telling the full story of why these ended.  And I suspect that there were aspects of the arrangement that they hated - like over controlling SD's, forced group sex, degrading language, drugs, etc.  

 
And so we must concede there are SD's with deeper wallets than ours. But we can also see that - dare I say it? Yes, I dare! - money isn't everything.   As I've mentioned many times, never negotiate on "her" price.  Instead, talk about the value you bring to her as an SD. And make sure you give her some idea that part of that "value" is not being an asshole, controlling, demanding, misogynistic douche.  

 
There are many, many POT's out there who will accept an offer based on your budget and the value you bring.  You just need to have the patience to go through the GPS Queens (and scammers, and Cryptiods) to find them.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

I was approached by a 20yo AA spinner who offered herself @340 on short notice last week. Major midwestern city. She arrived on time. Hot as advertised (7-8 on looks). No rushing. She came to me at her expense. I let her finish me BBBJCIM. I'll probably see her again when I'm in her city.

 
Costs rise as always. But not uniformly. She seemed like a good value to me.

What it is w/ LA?, It's the only place w/ higher rates than NYC, Miami for both the pros and sugar bowl. I am in NYC and you can find sugar PPM for $300-500, obviously a sliding scale based on the usual factors. I have one go-to pro agency that consistently supplies Eastern European 8-9s for $400-500/hr if I ever need to go that route. With those economics, I refuse to pay > $400 bc it's all about supply/demand and competition cause price is what you pay and value is what you get as the saying goes. With so many POT SB, just swipe right if her ask is > $200 of my max.....no point wasting time negotiating

That’s a great find !  Hope she is consistent  

I agree w herbcat that you will find someone who will value the overall package more than just raw $ , however it does take hell of a lot of sifting through, esp in LA where there are newly rich tech and real estate peeps willing to drop four figures every now and then

Of all the dozen plus pot I have , only one right now has the potential to be an 8-9 and in the 500 or below range , but it is taking a lot of convincing to get that little birdie to walk the the last leg  . Let’s see how it goes …

Herb didn't mention an issue that is key to the women in my area.  I, like Sweetman, live in a smaller town in a poor state, and the number one complaint I hear from women is that the allowance doesn't get paid as agreed.  Guys make promises larger than their wallet can support, and the women get shorted...and over time, they evolve to favor guys who aren't selling them on big promises.

This is indeed an important issue. And we don't spend much time talking about it.  We tend spend a lot of time talking about how to get from Message to M&G to BCD. But how do you keep the good ones coming back?  

 
Two concepts that I borrow from my times supporting big dollar sales and big dollar clients:  

 
1. Under promise then over deliver: Make reasonable offers you know you can fulfil. Be honest and modest when making a commitment. Then deliver above those baseline expectations and she will see the value of you go even higher.  

 
2. Say what you will do, then do what you say:  Don't change the rules, schedule, or expectations without prior discussion.  If you appear to be making arbitrary changes, particularly if they appear to disadvantage her, she will start looking for alternatives.  Yes, life happens, and you need to deal with the unexpected. But communicate and offer to reschedule or revise plans.  

 
Last analogy to sales and support - Cost of Acquisition:  
It costs a lot to get a new SB on board; dozens of profiles and messages, 5-10-20 or more M&G's, then evaluating that 1st BCD date to see if you are each down to continue. Once you get a new SB locked in you need to re-sell yourself with every interaction.  Losing one SB because you missed a commitment or failed in some way means you have to go back to the top of the cycle.  

So what is your time worth?  Do you want to spend the next 20+ hours of "sugar time" looking at profiles, or getting nakey-slippery time with a hottie? Or at the most practical level, would you rather get that sloppy BBBJCIMWS from a happy, pleased SB, or a barely licked it rough dry HJ from a pissed off disappointed SB?  I know what I want, and so...  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

Since you asked , one of the issues w LA is a lot of new wealth creation here . Same is true of housing mkt - many ppl from bay area moved down here 20-21 and have driven up already expensive housing to ridiculous levels.  Combine that w a gigantic sprawl where driving time can be a big factor. the highly sought after sbs also know this. I mean if I was willing to perhaps drive to inland empire I am sure l I could bring it down to 400 and lower but then I would be spending 3 hrs extra which I don’t have in my life and given I am married, that much harder to explain the prolonged absence

Very good points. The extra driving time is definitely a key to the calculus that I haven't considered being in NYC. I am a bit spoiled living/working in the middle of Manhattan where there are dozens of hotels and hundreds of restaurants within a 20 minute walk of my office. I am married as well and it's easy to just take the afternoon off during the week to indulge.